Which other clubs?
By whom Real fans?
What are you basing this off though?
Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) talk about the proposed new stadium, season ticket prices, Sir Jim Ratcliffe and all things INEOS after the first year of their co-ownership.
They also discuss back-to-back victories vs. Real Sociedad and Leicester City - was this the best week for Amorim so far?
Which other clubs?
By whom Real fans?
What are you basing this off though?
He is one of the best in Europe. Has been since he's arrived at United.
Got named in the PL best XI so far this season in The Guardian. I had not expected to see a United player in there. Well deserved too.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/mar/22/premier-league-team-of-the-season-so-far
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/mar/22/premier-league-team-of-the-season-so-far
But but but I've been told that he was rubbish for most of it and has only had a good last few games. You're telling me that's NOT right?!
As much as we've been praising him recently, that is mad. We're 13th. To say only Gravenberch in CM is equal/better is ludicrous.
Also, as great as Wood has been, no way Isak is not CF.
I don’t think Real Madrid fans really consider Bale a legend, just the general vibe I get.
Ok fair enough but in that case it's not really evidence that it's easier to become a legend in the eyes of the fans at United then.
How many players post SAF would you say are conmsidered legends by the majority of United fans?
Bruno and that's probably about it, maybe Rashford at one point but a lot of the fanbase seem none too fond of him these days.
There’s a whole generation of young people now that have grown up with him being our best and most important player. He’ll be a legend for them, at least.
Wonder how many of the "but but but" jokes we'll see until the end of this season. Gives away a very insecure vibe but I guess thats just me.
Insecure about what?! Your consistent taking of bait like this seems a little insecure, if that's the case!
It is a bit of an odd selection for sure. Seems like they wanted to put as many different teams in there as possible and to make, every talked about player made the cut. I mean his individual numbers make it easy to justify it, I see they used that mention of his recovery numbers as well, still don't get how those numbers work together with the numbers from fbref...
Insecure about taking the slightest thing to reassure yourself that you "were right all this time". Should be selfexplanatory at this point.
But I agree, me always getting triggered to call it out, is also a bit sad.
De Gea? A strange one, finished runner up in the prem (actual title challenge) and won the prem under SAF but had his best years after SAF retired.
That’s about it for me. If not legend then it’s surely down to how crap were post SAF, but definitely iconic at the very least.
Why the quote marks?! Not sure that's been said has it?
I don't need reassurance here, I make comments like that to try to show detractors how wrong they are.
I'd wouldn't have DeGea as a post SAF player really. He was arguably already a 'Legend' having won the title Under Sir Alex. But even if we count Dave and Bruno it's not a lot, so I'd have to say I disagree that it's easy to become a Legend at United.
Legend, icon, top class professional.
His name will still be sang at Old Trafford/new wanky stadium name 15 years from now.
His name will still be sang at Old Trafford/new wanky stadium name 15 years from now.
Anderson is a legend for winning everything Bruno didn't.
Doesn’t that prove my point if he was already in the debate for legend after winning one premier league title as a 20/21 year old, not even the first the club won after many years?
I think the main point is that de gea was a fergie player and the question was about post fergie legends. I don't think anyone would be arguing that at the time ddg won it he was instantly considered a legend.
I don't see how, my point was he wasn't a post SAF player to begin with. But staying at United for a decade and winning 5 trophies including League Title probably means he's considered a Legend by most.
But again if it was easy at United then where are all the players United fans consider Legends after winning various combinations of 2x FA Cups, 2x League Cups and a Europa League post SAF?
And how is that going for you? How many have you convinced with those jokes? ^^
(btw asking me how my mission is going isn't a valid answer)
Yeah no United player should be in such a team.
To be fair to Wood he's been fairly consistent across the season, Isak has been on fire recently but had a slow start (was injured and scored only 1 in 6). IMO they should both be in there.
Not sure, to be honest. I think Bruno's performances probably speak more eloquently for themselves, to be honest. But then again certain people are so stubborn and entrenched in their opinions that even Bruno turning into a Pele regen all of a sudden wouldn't be enough.
Anderson is a cult hero, rather than a legend.
1 in 6 with the injury between though, he's never gone more than 3 games without a goal whereas Wood is currently on a 4 game run. Both deserving for sure, but Isak has 24 goals and assists in 25 games vs Wood's 22 in 29. Also, as much as I love what Forest are doing, the amount Isak offers Newcastle is much greater given how varied his abilities are i.e. Wood isn't going to dribble anyone nor has great pace. That said, either deserves the spot unlike any of our players this season.
Really it should simply be a mix of Pool, Arsenal and Forest players but that would be too boring I guess.
What about the 3 players from Wolves, Palace and Fulham?
It's clear that the author focuses more on the individual performances than the team's position.
Sure, and I get they want as many teams as possible, but you can't honestly look at this season and, with only two spots to pick from, say Bruno is in the top 2 CMs for the entire season, his good form started about 2 months ago?
This isn't slating him, he's been great recently, but we simply have not had anyone deserving of being even close to a team of the season. You can't honestly think United should have a single player in this steam?
A term that was reserved for extra special players, the Trinity, Robson, Eric etc is also seen in reference to the likes of GNev (I was a huge fan) even seen it given to Wes Brown (liked Wes, too, but “legend”?) where does it end? Hard to say but people talk about it as though it is definitive. We’ve had some truly excellent players like Dennis Irwin, Rio, Yorke etc.. literally dozens. As good as he us, I’d stop short of Bruno being a legend but he’s pretty close, I suppose. Always thought it a bit silly unless applied to the indisputable and even then, where do you draw the line? Think it’s a bit daft to rule him out because we are 13th. I’m sure le Tissier and Bobby Moore are legends to their fans but we’re mid table at best.
A legend makes the all time XI for me. That doesn’t mean everyone in the all time XI is a legend, but you certainly can’t be one if you’re not in it.
Even if we’re going for a midfield 3, we’ve to drop one of Charlton, Scholes, Robson or Keane and Bruno certainly isn’t getting in ahead of any of those.
He could well end up being a United great, but legend should be reserved for the sort of player you build a statue for. There aren’t many of those.
Even if we’re going for a midfield 3, we’ve to drop one of Charlton, Scholes, Robson or Keane and Bruno certainly isn’t getting in ahead of any of those.
He could well end up being a United great, but legend should be reserved for the sort of player you build a statue for. There aren’t many of those.
Unless we win Champions League or Premier League while he is still captain - legend status for him is out of question
Can we win either of those in the next 2-3 years? Maybe 10% chance even if we are extremely optimistic, because GLINEOS doesnt have funds to buy Amorim who he needs
Can we win either of those in the next 2-3 years? Maybe 10% chance even if we are extremely optimistic, because GLINEOS doesnt have funds to buy Amorim who he needs
Well first of all I'm not really qualified to make that decision. I don't watch the other teams nearly enough. Ideally you should watch at least 10 full performances from every possible candidate, preferably spread out over the season, before making these XI's. Of course there will be examples of players who's stats are so good that you don't need that much data (Salah for instance).
Why is it acceptable that both fullbacks are from midtable teams and 1 out of 2 wingers/wide forwards play for a team hovering above the relegation zone, but not acceptable that 1 CM from a midtable team makes it? That's the part I don't understand.
And for what it's worth, Bruno started playing well in late October. But he's been especially good in the last two months, that is true. I personally think this is Bruno's best season so far.
If you go have a look at the numbers... a midfielder scoring 8 goals and getting 9 assists in 2 months is actually amazing.
What other Cm gets anywhere close to those numbers?
Re fullbacks, realistically it should either be Aina or Trent, depending on what you want to prioritise in my opinion. I have watched Munoz a lot this season and he'd be a fair balance point between the two though, he makes sense (albeit technically he's playing RWB).
Robinson the question is more who has been better at left back? Likely the answer is a player in the top 3/4 but we're assuming this journalist has watched multiple games every week from multiple teams.
With Bruno, disagree re Oct, Ars, Forest, Wolves, Brighton off the top of my head he was really off it but it's more that CM is such a vital role and yet we're apparently saying all Cms from Pool (going to win the league), Arsenal, Forest, Chelsea etc. are not as good as the player who has been good for a couple of months of the team who are fighting to finish tenth?
@romufc
Sure, and if this was team of the month there'd be no issue?
I get you but lets be honest... team of the season / year is all neither here or there, its usually based on recency bias.
@tomaldinho1
You're kind of dodging my point. Initially you used United being 13th as the only argument for why a United player can't make team of the season. But the XI also contains players from teams in 8th, 12th and 17th place.
If you want to make specific head-to-head comparisons for every player in the XI to argue your point, then fair enough. I can't argue against it then since I don't watch the other teams enough. But the argument that Bruno can't make the XI because United is 13th makes no sense if you are willing to defend the other players.
You're kind of dodging my point. Initially you used United being 13th as the only argument for why a United player can't make team of the season. But the XI also contains players from teams in 8th, 12th and 17th place.
If you want to make specific head-to-head comparisons for every player in the XI to argue your point, then fair enough. I can't argue against it then since I don't watch the other teams enough. But the argument that Bruno can't make the XI because United is 13th makes no sense if you are willing to defend the other players.
Yeah of course + as said already the journo is including many different teams deliberately. It's not that big a deal, just seems ridiculous given how poor our season has been so far coupled with Bruno's own form. That said, if Bruno had been on fire for the whole season, we could still be in 13th and he could be deserving of that place, but that has not been the case.
Ironically, you dodged the yes/no question of if you actual think Bruno should be included. I didn't call you out on it but it would be good to get an answer?
I'm not sure I have dodged anything? Genuinely, can you explain?
I have presented an argument to your point re the full backs, one I feel I can comment on (RB) and the other I have not seen enough of so I asked you who else it would be? My point is not solely that United are 13th, that is a fact, it is that Bruno has not been good enough over a season - that should be obvious - we are discussing the team of the season. Part of the knock on effect of him not being great, is that we are where we are (he is part of the team after all). That doesn't mean he hasn't been our best player since Amad was injured, it also doesn't mean these last 2 months have not been great, but to put him above CMs who are in title challenging teams, teams punching way above their weight or teams going far in the CL seems like pure recency bias.
Like I said; I'm not qualified to judge Bruno based on his "opponents" because I haven't seen enough from them.
But judging Bruno in isolation, based on what I have seen from PL CMs throughout my lifetime; it makes sense that he makes the team. He's extremely productive regardless of metric and he's also defensively good. The fact that he's doing it for a team in 13th actually strengthens his case.
"Player A can't make team of the season because his team is in 13th place. Player B deserves to be in there though (his team is in 12th place)"
Do you see how this makes no sense? Unless you think that there is a mountain of difference between 12th and 13th, that is.
Ok, simple answer. Do you belkieve he has been the 1st or 2nd best Cm this season out of all teams. Just Yes or No, nothing else.
That would be a good point, if we are just making things up and ignoring all context/replies, sure? I literally responded with points in a few posts and this is what you've taken from it? So, I ask you again, as it is very annoying to have someone say I dodged a question and then be unable to prove it, how have I dodged your question?
Is my English that bad? This is the 3rd time on this page alone that I write to you that I can't answer that!
I can't answer "yes" or "no" when I lack knowledge. Perhaps you feel comfortable doing this, but I don't.
You started this whole thing by literally writing that it's mad that Bruno makes the team when United is 13th. And then you followed it up by defending inclusion of other mid table players. Wouldn't that mean that the team's position on the table is irrelevant? Thanks! Good conversation!
Yeah of course, if you ask me a yes or no, I'll answer it.Is my English that bad? This is the 3rd time on this page alone that I write to you that I can't answer that!
I can't answer "yes" or "no" when I lack knowledge. Perhaps you feel comfortable doing this, but I don't.
You started this whole thing by literally writing that it's mad that Bruno makes the team when United is 13th. And then you followed it up by defending inclusion of other mid table players. Wouldn't that mean that the team's position on the table is irrelevant? Thanks! Good conversation!
My guy, honestly please just read the responses in order. If you are only reading the first post and ignoring my other replies to you, I can't really do much about that? I never said the reason Bruno cannot be picked is simply because of league position. You can repeat it again, but it will be made up again.
On your "qualified" point, if you asked this forum to honestly answer which teams they had watched 10+ PL games this season, there's likely so few people who have watched more than 3 or 4 teams that the team of the season would be like 11 United players every year. You have to make some judgement calls based off our home and away games (the ones I assume we all watch), otherwise I would doubt a single poster is qualified to answer anything.