Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) talk about the proposed new stadium, season ticket prices, Sir Jim Ratcliffe and all things INEOS after the first year of their co-ownership.
They also discuss back-to-back victories vs. Real Sociedad and Leicester City - was this the best week for Amorim so far?
Is that why you are not blacklisted? I like to hear everyone's opinions... Again, as usual making assumption on what I do /don't do. Just to let you know I have 0 people on my blacklist. Keep assuming.
I dont think he is world class tbh. I accept and acknowledge Bruno's frailties without making him seem like the problem in our team, which you and others tend to do.
Its the truth though. Since he has been at the club, every manager starts him. Ofcourse NZT-One knows more than 4 different qualified managers though. We wont win with Bruno in the team will we?
We have to accept that we haven't been a top team for over 10 years. That being said, there's no way around calling Bruno a club legend, even if he doesn't have nearly as many trophies as the Fergie generation. But he will likely be among our top 10 players in terms of appearances and goals when he leaves, and he's guaranteed to be the man that comes to mind when you talk about Manchester United in the 2020s.
No that's fair enough mate I largely agree. And in my last post I was speaking generally.
Personally I'm fine with whatever anyone wants to personally consider any United players and having their own criteria for what constitutes Legend, World Class etc..
Ah, so hyperbol doesn't feel good. There is something new to learn every day.
(And fyi: the president of the Bruno fanclub (genuine compliment) has claimed he would be Top 5 CM player for our club iirc. Different to perfect, I'll happily give you that.
I think, we roughly have the same intentions in this thread. I debate arguments that I think deserve it. Same way as you. (btw: I was impressed with the eagerness lately that you have shown towards the guy in the other thread who wouldn't want to give MotM to Bruno
Don't think I have shown this level of determination yet)We'll never know. If we have posters here wanting McTominay back because "we could use his goals" then Lindelof could have a following as well.
Nah. The fight over this soul is lost. And he isn't going to see my answers anyway.
I meant blacklisting in the sense of one step before being called a hater or at least get his intentions questioned by you. If blacklisting is the feature name of that ignore-list feature on this site, I wasn't aware of it. And nice to hear we have something in common - hearing everyones opinions.
Pretty sure I have NEVER stated that he is THE problem. I made a lot of effort to distinguish between A and THE. Apparently the difference is too miniscule. Or some readers weren't attentitive enough because they like to project their hater stereotype.
Weird question since we already know that we can win with him. Will we win the League or the CL with him? Hard to believe given the state of the team. But Leicester won the league. And Chelsea won the CL without being a very good team. Once again, you just placed me into a certain shelf without seemingly having read my takes. And to hit the same button once again - I don't know more than 4 different managers. I have even stated that given the state of the team, even I would play Bruno if I were to be the manager right now. Probably next season too. Seems like your love of reading opinions isn't that big otherwise you would have understood, the point I made certainly isn't too complicated. Maybe you love opinions that are close to yours just a little more than others.
Pretty sure there is. Just look at this thread. Latest consensus is "there is no point arguing because everybody defines those terms differently anyways"
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Without a doubt.
I get your point and agree to an extent.
I've commented on this thread a few times in favour of calling Bruno a legend. The thing is, he likely has another 4 or 5 good seasons with us. Perhaps being labelled a legend is premature.
Most people agree he is the best post Fergie signing, for that reason alone, I think legend status is coming. Consistently he gives it his all and his numbers don't lie. Out of every player post Fergie United have signed, I think he is the only one in a shout to be considered a legend. Bruno is the only one in time that will likely be properly remembered. Can we say that about any other player post Fergie?
Also, time tells. Bruno is still here, he is in the 'now'. Legends are considered after their gone (most of the time).
Through all the players the last few years.....many like Rashford, Garnacho etc... have had an unbelievable season.....some here and there....but not consistently whereas, in my opinion, Bruno has always been consistent. I can't remember how many times Bruno has made a great pass to an attacking player whom doesn't capitalise. On the other hand, he does make quite a few awful passes but he is trying to make things happen.
Right, so you would play Bruno for next two seasons but have this fantasy team in your head that we will have in 2 years time where Bruno is not involved.
Can we please stick to what we have now and our team now... no one knows what will happen in 2 years time.
This is the problem, you dislike Bruno so much, you have to put scenarios of 2 years down the line just so you can get rid of him.
He is walking Bryan Robson's path. So yes. Its possible
Yes. I'd try to steer recruitment towards players in their physical peak with high technical ability, focussing in the short-term on carrying since that is something our team lacks a lot. You don't think the team will look differently to what it does now? Pretty sure you do, so you have a fantasy team in your head as much as I do. My mainpoint until last summer was that we might accelerate the process of changing the team with funds that might be generated by selling Bruno. I don't see him winning anything of note with us and I don't see him playing a vital role in the "next big United team" (mixture of age and style (personal opinion)) so selling him might have been a win-win for all parties (obviously only when the funds would have been used wisely which certainly is not a given and I agree, the risk is probably high enough to not go further). But with the new contract that chance is gone. He is here, he has his uses so we might as well make the best of it. As long as we do not not do some transfers or style changes because of him.
Sure. But as a side note - one of the biggest traumas for you and a few others is the notion that some fans dared to say that we won't win anything with Bruno in the team. If you don't know what will happen in 2 years time, it is a bit weird, that this is triggering you so much. But point taken. We don't know what will happen in 2 years time. What we know is that Bruno hasn't achieved legend status here for (what feels like) around half the posters.
The point of this thread is talking about Bruno and his future status as a legend. I don't see how this is in any case different. And once a-fecking-gain - I might not be his biggest fan but I don't dislike him and I try to be fair in terms of credit and criticism. Again: not joining into the songs of high praise is NOT (!!!!) criticising him. I think you like Bruno so much though, that it feels like it to you.
I do think it will look different, but what I dont do, which alot of fans who dont like Bruno (including you), keep saying oh in 2 years he wont be in the team.... well like I dont know what the team will be in 2 years, neither do you.
But we have won 2 trophies with Bruno... seems with you like others, the goal post keeps shifting... from any trophy to PL or CL.
Oh yeah... you dont.. but these are your words "He is a child, a hothead, a constant moaner, unbearable at times. And I am starting to hate his "look at me being busy" impressions running at people without the final conviction. At times, there isn't much between him and Mata in terms of strength"
You and some fans still keep having this narrative that Bruno just spams balls and one will come through.. again your words "Because even when he was making goals and assists, it was kind of a numbers game, if Bruno goes for 11 hollywood balls over the top, good chances that one will reach Rashford."
Its not really the case though is it?
All you do is criticise Bruno and caveat it with... in the current team he works but if we want to keep possession he doesn't work. Well you dont know that... you can just comment on why he shouldn't be in the team...
Obviously right now, you wont say you dislike him completely because he has the numbers, but why cant you just be honest with how you actually feel about him?
Insane quotes.
These fans will tell you that he closes his eyes, smashes the ball for Rashford to run onto and score.. that's how he gets his assists and has no technical ability.
Its almost they dont watch the game, Bruno yes, sometimes hits it forward but majority of times, he has seen the player, he knows what pass to make.
Its insane that fans think his assists are all hit and hope.
Pretty sure I haven't said that. Because I am not a fan of talking in absolute terms.
Yeah as I said. I have never said we can't win anything with Bruno in the team. I understand that you are angry but don't project all that on me only because I am the only one bothering to interact with you and your group about that topic.
I hope it didn't take too much of your time to dig out a quote from Februar 2022. And if you would have actually quoted me, everybody would see that those comments were about Brunos suitability as captain. I still don't think he is suited for the role ON THE PITCH. Pretty sure I already acknowledged that off the pitch he seems to do a very good job. And for what its worth, I think in the last weeks and month the moaning went back to a noticable but bearable level.Oct 2022, nice. Will happily offer the full quote
"That might be true but a team that is trying to make better use of possession, especially one that is slowly learning to adapt such a system, isn't really helped by having someone in the team who gives it away as often as he does. As long as he isn't able to learn when to take risks and when it is better to pick an easy pass to keep the ball moving he will be problematic for a side, that tries to make more use of possession. I don't say, Bruno can't learn that but until now, he doesn't seem to improve on that aspect since he joined us. Because even when he was making goals and assists, it was kind of a numbers game, if Bruno goes for 11 hollywood balls over the top, good chances that one will reach Rashford.
I hope ETH can teach him something."
It isn't really a narrative isn't it? Right now, Bruno is in the 99th percentile in terms of attempted passes and 50th percentile in terms of completed ones (67 attempted per 90 with 76%). He is attempting a lot of passes with a low probability. He dialed it down (thankfully) in his CM role but before that, he did attempt a lot of passes. And this number of passes is one aspect of him generating the chances you celebrate him for.
To prevent the foreseeable bla bla - KDB 65, 76% in the same categories (comparable), Maddison 63.7, 81%, Odegard 55, 83%. So this is not me criticising him for pass completion just showing that he is indeed attempting more of them than players in comparable roles. And that is based on the last 365 days where Brunos role has changed and he doesn't have dangerous runners to hit. When the quote was made, the numbers may have looked different
Once again - not joining in in your particular song of praise is not criticising.
Complete BS. You just took the time to look through my posts. You've seen that my stance towards him hasn't changed a lot. Actually it mellowed quite a bit since last summer. And I was critical when he came in even when the numbers were even better than they are right now.
But I guess it is easier to argue with me when you can just use the narrative of me disliking him, right? (See, I can employ the same BS as you)
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These fans, huh
Generalizations for the winThese fans, huh
Yeah you.