Wilfried Zaha
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Good point. But it wouldn't be too hard for him to break the first team going by Valencia's form though
What if hes not actually better than our wingers? Then he wont play.
Good point. But it wouldn't be too hard for him to break the first team going by Valencia's form though
Valencia will soon find his form again. He will bring experience to the table for the title run in.
I don't see it that way.
Training with the likes of Giggs, Scholes, Rooney, RvP will bring him on leaps and bounds. It's a hectic schedule coming up so he will get games here no question. Especially with Valencia in amateur mode at the moment.
If he doesn't seem quite ready then we could loan him out next season, possibly to Palace if they get promoted.
Like it or not, I can't really see Nani here next season. Valencia's time here will also be a lot shorter than most people think IMO. I think that back problem may be more serious than we know.
I'm happy to be proven an idiot by Zaha if we sign him but I don't believe the hype. He had a good game against us in the League Cup last year against an out of practice Fabio in what was effectively a Cup final for Palace and he's played well in the Championship. So what? In the Championship Taarabt was much better than Zaha has been but he hasn't blown the Premier League away despite moments of magic. Yes, Zaha is young and he will improve with age and application but I genuinely do not see 'it'. I'm not saying he'll be another Gabi Obertan but I don't think Wilfred Zaha is ever going to be as good as someone like Nani.
I genuinely hope, if we sign Zaha, in 12 or 18 months time people are quoting this back at me because Zaha has gone on to be a brilliant, brilliant Man Utd player. Honestly. I'd never want anyone we buy not to succeed but I seriously don't think his top level will prove to be spectacular.
I genuinely hope, if we sign Zaha, in 12 or 18 months time people are quoting this back at me because Zaha has gone on to be a brilliant, brilliant Man Utd player. Honestly. I'd never want anyone we buy not to succeed but I seriously don't think his top level will prove to be spectacular.
Will he become better than our wingers in 6 months? If we are investing in him than we think he is good enough. I don't know how another 6 months are going to improve him. Though if he can come here and increase the competition for spots that might help us.
What if we know hes not ready yet and thats why we leave him at Palace till the end of the season. Then he comes in ready to play next season.
Thats obviously better than taking him, seeing he's not ready, then loaning him out next season
We've been saying this for two or three months already and he looks even worse now than he did then.
The fact that no other team has made a bid for him is meaningless. How often do we see more than one team making a bid for a player at the same time? It happened with Jones, Hazard and Ramsey from what I remember, the likes of Bale, Oxlade-Chamberlain, even Silva and Mata have been transfered with no bidding wars and such.
He also went for Nasri. I've no doubt had we picked up one of the Spanish 'midfielders' currently plying their trade in the prem we'd win the league at a canter this season. At the end of the day a team with RvP, Rooney, Cazorla/Mata/Silva and Nani/Kagawa in it looks pretty exceptional. It's not as if we'll never use wing play again what with Rafael and Evra bombing forward all game as well. Our 'direct' wingers this year have been woeful, so its not as if we've been heavily reliant on them either.
Romantic rubbish. Ignore the best pool of talent in the world because it's not traditional?
Yeah true, I forgot about Nasri. Yeah I'm not disagreeing with you, they're all top players, but I don't think Fergie has opted out of buying Spanish players because he doesn't rate them or because our scouting is average over there, it's usually because their philosophy differs greatly to the one we have over here at United.
Can see your opening point but this way he will have his mind settled and can focus on Palace for the short term. A full pre season training with Rooney, RVP, etc, along with some pre season games will go a long way to settling him at United.
Who bid for him though KM, the great race never really got started did it? Chelsea and City admired from afar, casting desirous glances at the silky star but mysterious forces kept their hands in pocket. Wenger was mad for a January transfer double of Zaha and Cavani, ready to smash his wage and transfer structure in a winter frenzy, yet sense eventually prevailed and he went back to looking for free transfers from mid table French teams.
What point are you making exactly? Why does it matter who bid for him? Why do you care?
Do you think United are so unprofessional that their transfer dealings are guided by whether someone else wants the player or not? If we're interested and when/if we sign him it'll be because we've watched him, like what we see and think he has the potential to be a success here, not because some rag said Arsenal and Chelsea might be interested.
United bid for Bale, reportedly.
I agree with that. He'd have time to get to know our squad, fit in etc. He'd get game time this season at some point and I think it would benefit him a lot.
Sshhh don't take sense. The quality of the player is directly proportional to the no. of teams interested in him. It's the first and only rule of transfers. Our scouts are gimps.
If Fergie feels he's not ready then I'm hardly going to argue. Fergie knows best.
But if for some reason the World went retarded and Fergie asked for "LawCharltonBest from RedCafe's advice" then I would say keep him.
Reports seem to suggest Fergie wants to keep him for this season. We'll see.
Not even reportedly, Fergie said so. He also said a few days ago our bid was rejected and a few days later he was sold to Spurs.
Aguero said he joined Man City because he had no choice and Madrid didn't bid for him. Clearly according to Jimmy's logic, he's not Real Madrid quality.
One of the main things we're lacking is a young winger, our 3 current ones are all at similar age, having someone there to push them is never going to be a bad thing.
Shame it appears we're going to loan him back, he'll obviously get more game time, but I feel with our wings as they are at the moment he'd have a good shout at a decent cup run at the least.
Why loan him back though? Valencia has been shite, Young is injured and Nani is just returning from injury. IF he's as good as some say then he should walk into our team atm
Take these with as much or as little salt as you want.
Another one from the guy who covers Arsenal for DailyMail
Yeh thought so. In a bit then.
Yeah, obviously Wenger's not going to come out and say, yeah we've lost out to United yet again.
He's probably not as good as some say, not enough to walk into a treble chasing team, absolutely no chance. There are more than enough options to see us through the season without Zaha. I seriously doubt he could make an immediate impact anyway, Ferguson will want him to bed in during pre-season.....makes sense really to keep him at Palace as he is settled there and will want to finish on a high.
I would much rather Valencia than an unproven and untested Zaha. He's been out of form but I don't expect that to last for the rest of the season.
Even BBC confirms but everything in the hands of Crystal, now...
If Wilf gonna join United, it's important for player to get as many games as possible. That's why securing this deal to go through in the summer is the best option, as he'll be able to continue his campaign in returning Crystal to Premiership, which may be very important experience and success in his start at biggest football stage.
It seems like Holloway really care about his future and that definitely helps both sides.
If Wilf gonna join United, it's important for player to get as many games as possible. That's why securing this deal to go through in the summer is the best option, as he'll be able to continue his campaign in returning Crystal to Premiership, which may be very important experience and success in his start at biggest football stage.
It seems like Holloway really care about his future and that definitely helps both sides.
He's a 20 year old winger. If he wasn't good enough to challenge for a place, I don't think we'd be paying all that money. After all there's no guarantee he'll get a lot better.
3M for an 18 year old is a punt. Zaha's reported price is closer to what we paid for Carrick, Valencia, or even Ronaldo, all of whom became part of the first team picture straight away.
(I now fully expect Fergie to send him on loan for two years)
3M for an 18 year old is a punt. Zaha's reported price is closer to what we paid for Carrick, Valencia, or even Ronaldo, all of whom became part of the first team picture straight away.
(I now fully expect Fergie to send him on loan for two years)
We bid for Bale, as did another Premier League club that I can't recall at the moment. Arsenal were in for Mata too but couldn't compete with Chelsea's readies. The Ox is true and Silva to an extent, Madrid were interested but did not make a serious offer.
To be fair we did spent 7m on Bebe.
My point is that young talent is so unpredictable.
I agree. if we need a player ASAP then we should get him now.
I try to be positive but there appears to be no sign of Valencia coming back to form right now. I'd rather give a youngster who's looking to impress a chance than Valencia who ends up being a liability at times going forward. At the very least Zaha should be a good option of the bench
Don't know if this has been reported but it is now on the BBC site
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21143029
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21143029
If Fergie wants to bring him in instantly, and not for the Summer - then clearly Fergie has plans for him. He wouldn't just bring him here early for the sake of it.
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger had said he was "looking at Zaha" but today insisted a bid was never made.
"We were never in for Zaha," Wenger said.
"I don't know if he will go to Man United. If he goes to Man United, good luck to him."
Do they not slightly contradict?
Aah! The Bebe anomaly, the worm in the heart of the apple, the great exception to every rule. Had the Bebe transfer not occurred, we would live in an ordered, predictable Universe. After Bebe, everything is chaos.
Has it occurred to you that Palace may have said "We will not sell him now if we don't get him until the end of the season"
Which would make a lot of sense - because Zaha for the rest of the season could earn Palace £40-50 million. If they sell him - they probably wont be promoted
It's looking like a done deal, but we'll just have to wait and see how this unfolds. I can't see Palace letting him go without a fight. Especially with them fighting for promotion.
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