Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace

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Going by the first half of the season i struggle to understand why Moyes didn't do something along these lines in August, for as it is we've just wasted six months of Zaha's development and harmed only harmed ourselves in the process.

I'd rather have him at OT if he was going to be used but he should be in good hands with Ole at Cardiff.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Going by the first half of the season i struggle to understand why Moyes didn't do something along these lines in August, for as it is we've just wasted six months of Zaha's development and harmed only harmed ourselves in the process.

I'd rather have him at OT if he was going to be used but he should be in good hands with Ole at Cardiff.
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How have we harmed ourselves and who is to say that he has not developed in his time here? Even an established premiership and international player has found the step up hard in training etc. Zaha has had months learning to become a United player which will help him in the long term. Let's hope he gets lots of minutes for Cardiff and impresses.
 
datura said:
How have we harmed ourselves and who is to say that he has not developed in his time here? Even an established premiership and international player has found the step up hard in training etc. Zaha has had months learning to become a United player which will help him in the long term. Let's hope he gets lots of minutes for Cardiff and impresses.
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Do you think Fergie would have given him 60 minutes of game time in the same conditions over a five monthe period?

He may well have learnt some theory on the training pitch however he has also been kept from the benefits of actual practical experience alongside his team mates in competitive action. None of us need reminding of the state of our other wingers at present, Wilf had performed in some high pressure situations for Palace and should have been used more IMO.
 
I'm surprised that he got so little time in the Capital One cup, as Sultan says on the other page, blooding players like Zaha is what we have used that competition for over the least few years. At any rate a loan to Cardiff should be good for him now Ole is there.
 
I cannot believe Moyes would veto a loan move. He'd have to be on a wind up to do so, Zaha hasn't featured at all for United and a 6-month spell at a Premier League club where he'd be playing regularly would be highly beneficial to him, we'd be mad not to let him go. If something like that were true I'd actually start to think that Moyes despises him.
 
Drainy said:
I wouldn't write Zaha off yet, he just needs to get his head right- the talent is there.
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Just to clarify, I'm not writing Zaha off, but if he doesn't get a game, or a loan move to develop, then we've wasted £17M on him. We don't really know what he can do at United because we've hardly seen him play and Moyes seems reluctant to give him any game time.
 
Feel for the guy. He's in the process of wasting one of the most important developmental seasons of his career.
 
'Sources' also known as 'we made it up'

He's still 21. 17 million is a huge amount but he needs to be given time and if Moyes is planning on using him more, then it wouldn't surprise me to see him refus a loan.
 
Colin129 said:
Seems like we wasted £17M on him, plus the £27.5M on Fellani & we've wasted nearly £45M which could have been better spent.
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I agree, 6 months is long enough to prove yourself. We may aswell cut our losses and sell them into the sex trade.
 
Decotron said:
I have thought so. Do you disagree yourself?
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Heh, I could be wrong, but I'm calling media bollocks. Based on:

a) Brand new 5 year contract - certainly indicates the player wants to stay and has been convinced he's going to play a big role
b) Moyes finally coming round to playing him, before he got injured
c) Him being one of the very best wingers in the league if he can stay fit and get a run of games
d) Our shit other options and MOyes lack of interest in Zaha
e) The fact that he's been endelessly linked with a move for as long as I can remember - just comes across as lazy, default journalism now
f) He's injured, so a loan would make little sense
 
Nothing seems to make much sense to me at the moment with regards to wingers.

  • Valencia played time and again, even when he is not playing well, and even when the fact he is not playing well is acknowledged (retrospectively but still) by our (ex) manager.
  • Nani seems to be on the outside looking in, partly because of injuries but there seems to be more to it than that, he is certainly not selected on occasions when he is available. Fine, you think, something is going on behind the scenes, he isnt happy, he doesnt try hard enough in training, SOMETHING must be going on to explain all this.... but then he signs a five year contract, suggesting he, at least, is happy.
  • We lost two CL finals in a row to Barca, being thoroughly outclassed, and respond by signing Young. (This is the most baffling of the lot for me, at a time when we needed to improve our first team, raise the bar to try to catch up with the best, and we buy a squad player for a small fortune.)
  • We sign Zaha and give him barely any chances.
Taken in isolation each of these factors can be justified. But taken together it seems like a total lack of coherence, it is hard to make sense of it all. I guess it is hard to make sense of what is going on inside the club when you have so little information but this is one riddle I cant get my head around. It doesnt seem to add up.
FWIW I think Nani will stay, because of that deal he signed. I can understand why the club would ask him to sign it if they wanted to get rid, to increase his value. But I cant understand why he would sign it if he wanted out. So maybe the club will force him out but I dont reckon we'd get enough for him to make that an attractive option. So I hope he stays.
As far as Zaha is concerned I guess he is planning to give him more chances in the next few months. As Colin said, Zaha should take it as a sign of encouragement if we arent letting him go. It must be hard when you are great at football and love playing and were so excited about getting a break at Man United, to play under the greatest manager ever, and then that manager leaves and the club goes into freefall and you are languishing in the reserves. But he needs to show some fight and perseverance.
 
Sir A1ex said:
Heh, I could be wrong, but I'm calling media bollocks. Based on:

a) Brand new 5 year contract - certainly indicates the player wants to stay and has been convinced he's going to play a big role
b) Moyes finally coming round to playing him, before he got injured
c) Him being one of the very best wingers in the league if he can stay fit and get a run of games
d) Our shit other options and MOyes lack of interest in Zaha
e) The fact that he's been endelessly linked with a move for as long as I can remember - just comes across as lazy, default journalism now
f) He's injured, so a loan would make little sense
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Not sure Moyes has "come around" to him personally. I actually think there might be an element of him not trusting Nani in the same sense as he does Valencia.

The whole "hes one of the best wingers in the league" is getting very old. We simply havent seen it from him. People blame the lack of consistent opportunities which is fair enough to mention but even at the height of his powers he was inconsistant.

Its an odd situation whichever way we choose to look at it. I deffo dont see him here next season anyway. I still think there a strong chance he'll leave in Jan.
 
Either give him some proper time in the first team or loan him out. The whole thing has been fecking bizarre..especially considering we have been crying out for some creative spark.

Moyes has been the first to say everyone will get thei rchance under him...yet Zaha keeps being ignored. Is anyone surprised he is pissed off?
 
if he wants to play more he should spend more time on the training pitch and less time smoking dope with elijah wood.
 
Decotron said:
Not sure Moyes has "come around" to him personally. I actually think there might be an element of him not trusting Nani in the same sense as he does Valencia.

The whole "hes one of the best wingers in the league" is getting very old. We simply havent seen it from him. People blame the lack of consistent opportunities which is fair enough to mention but even at the height of his powers he was inconsistant.

Its an odd situation whichever way we choose to look at it. I deffo dont see him here next season anyway. I still think there a strong chance he'll leave in Jan.
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Ive answered this in the Nani thread as its getting away from Zaha.
 
Not sure I believe it as he's been on the bench for the past couple of games so he has to realize that isn't that far off a start. Plus even if it is true he's young and he will probably come back to the training ground at some point and apologize and all will be forgiven as long as nothing out of the ordinary has been said.

Nothing to really be concerned about.
 
For what it's worth, I think it's bollocks. I'm not going to believe fecking goal.com

But with that being said, I don't think Moyes has managed Zaha very well. I've been a big fan of Moyes, and I'm on the "players haven't performed well enough, blame shouldn't be on plumped on Moyes alone" party. But, this is one aspect which he's disappointed me on.

Zaha might not be performing well in training, or being lazy. That could be the case, but since we don't know that - I'll just ignore that possibility for a minute.

I thought that Zaha might crumble under the pressure after we signed up for his services last January. The price tag might go to his head, and it would be difficult for him to perform for Palace. But low and behold, he was great. He scored vital goals leading up to their play-off, and won the penalty in the final to send them through.

He was exciting on the Summer tour, and it seemed as if we were on to a diamond in the making.

I don't understand why he hasn't been given more chances. As said above, he may not be training well etc - but from the way our wingers have been performing this season, it amazes me that we haven't given him more chances.

I hope he does go out on loan if we don't plan to use him. It's a waste of a season for him. He may be absorbing some United knowledge from the team, but he's barely playing for the U21s, let alone the first team.
 
Moyes seems to be pinning alot of importance on Zaha being at United and becoming accustomed to being a United player. I obviously can't comment on that, but logically, it seems to make more sense to keep Zaha playing football than have him occasionally on the bench, playing 6 or 7 minutes here and there.

Nobody other than Januzaj has really been consistent in the wide areas, and even Januzaj has had one or two quiet games. I don't see how Zaha is still out of contention, even with Young and Nani injured, and Valencia being ineffective. Moyes must rate him, otherwise why would he hold on to him. But not rated highly enough to be given a start.

Loan him out. Let us see what he can do in the Premier League, even if it's not for us.
 
We have literally no idea what goes on in training, but I still refuse to believe that Zaha has been our worst winger. Maybe it's personal issues with Moyes that's seen him get such little gametime? he seems a quiet lad though.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Not sure I believe it as he's been on the bench for the past couple of games so he has to realize that isn't that far off a start. Plus even if it is true he's young and he will probably come back to the training ground at some point and apologize and all will be forgiven as long as nothing out of the ordinary has been said.

Nothing to really be concerned about.
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Him being on the bench is probably more to do with Nani and Young being out.
 
Decotron said:
Not sure Moyes has "come around" to him personally. I actually think there might be an element of him not trusting Nani in the same sense as he does Valencia.
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He's definitely shown an element of that, but I think he's become willing to give him a chance, if not fully "come round". Other than the slightly harsh seeming 5 match freezing-out after Stoke, he has featured in pretty match every match he's been fit for since signing the contract.

Anyway, let's not derail a Zaha thread with more Nani debate!
 
Colin129 said:
Seems like we wasted £17M on him, plus the £27.5M on Fellani & we've wasted nearly £45M which could have been better spent.
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Wilfried Zaha will undergo a medical with Manchester United in the next 48 hours before completing a £15m move from Crystal Palace.
The 20-year-old forward has agreed a five-and-a-half year deal but will be loaned back to Palace until the summer.
Wilfried Zaha. United will pay £10m up front, with the fee potentially rising to £15m based on Zaha's appearances and success.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21180202
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Feel a bit better?
 
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