Nah mate, you're stereotyping. You can't say that his family 'have good ethics and values' unless you know them.
Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace
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Nah mate, you're stereotyping. You can't say that his family 'have good ethics and values' unless you know them.
Doubt he'll make it here just because he's incredibly poor technically and that is what LVG looks for most of all. Looks like he did well for Palace and as people are saying, at 22 or whatever he looks like he's found a level playing in the premiership fairly regularly and hopefully worrying teams each week. Might have to take a pay cut to play for palace...
No, I'm talking about you using idiotic rhetoric in order to make an idiotic point about why Zaha can't cut it here. You were talking about 'racial stereotypes' and then continued it with 'same could be said about Powell'. I've already told you that same points were/are being made about Powell and possible 'not trying enough' during a training yet you simply ignored it and continue with your bullshit. Just stop.
Racist remark? Do you understand what racism is, cause that comment demonstrates you know absolutely nothing.
You've come into this thread, claiming that opinions formed on the basis of comments made my previous managers are actually because of racist stereotypes, you've then made a stereotypical judgement yourself, failed to acknowledge it, made a very dodgy remark to another poster with regards to his nationality and then you've tried to climb on your high horse and claim that others know "absolutely nothing".
Impressive stuff.
Impressive stuff.
That bit of skill was class but Bolasie's was out of this world.
Read the post and please tell me where I have said he's can't make it here cause of his race. Do you think I missed the about of black players that have played for this club, and you talk about being idiotic? I'm suggesting and I'm not alone. Read about Black players experiences from the 1970's. The very same assumptions were made of those players back then. It is my belief whether you believe it to be rhetoricial or not that some people's views are still based on racial stereotypes. In the same way that black players don't make good managers....rather than see from your perspective, I suggest you read it from theirs....
@Wilson Litchmore, there are still a number of issues with racism in football.
However this isn't the thread for it, and it has nothing to do with peoples' views on Zaha and his attitude/work ethic - views that are had for Nick Powell too.
However this isn't the thread for it, and it has nothing to do with peoples' views on Zaha and his attitude/work ethic - views that are had for Nick Powell too.
Yes I believe people make comments based on racial stereotypes. Whether managers have done neither me or anyone else knows that to be true. I've made no stereotype judgement other than state the fact that his parents are African, Christians and have good values. I said nothing dodgy remark other than what's his experiences of rhetorical racism in Poland...and yes there are some people that absolutely know nothing about racism in football. It's my view and one I've read and interviewed many black players on. Not asking anyone to agree with it.
Oh for feck's sake.
You've said that there are 'some real racial stereotypes being made about players' and then continued with fantastic 'Many of these allegations could be made of Powell but it doesn't make the same column inches......'. I've already sent you to Powell's thread, you'll read that he's a poor trainer, lazy, even his Wigan team mate in some post-match interview said that he's a bad trainer and you came with your 'Hardly on the same level' shit.
You're trying to bring everything down to him being poor Wilf because people are making false assumptions about him which is down to those people's inner-racism because they aren't saying the same thing about Powell ( which they fecking are ). This is the main point: same thing is being said about Powell so no, Zaha is not suffering from subconcious racism but from his inability, lack of effort, shite attitude or whatever.
I’m not really following his career at Palace, but from what I’ve seen it seems his game is very reliant on pace and power. Which is good, but there’s not much more in him, it occurred to me on those YT vids you can very rarely see him making a clever pass or even a good cross. Plus, he doesn’t strike me as a team-player.
He’s an incredible athlete but I will be very surprised if he makes it here, it’s just not enough.
He’s an incredible athlete but I will be very surprised if he makes it here, it’s just not enough.
No not at all. People can form there own views about his football ability or lack of it. That's just as subjective as any opinion held about any player. I find it hard to suggest that Powell and Zaha have had the same profile about their careers here but again that's not my point. Its simply in my opinion racist and xenophobic attitudes exist in football. These for decades influence how players are viewed in football. There will be people out there who's views about Zaha will be influenced based on stereotypical views of black players. Read about some black football players experiences in football. If some people think I'm making excuses about his career here, I'm not.
When did Sol Campbell join the caf ?
I doubt every single African family has the same ethics and values. It IS a stereotype (or at the very least a sweeping generalisation) that they're all religious, all strict and all have good ethics and values. Are you suggesting that the warlords and pirates that are present in many African countries abide by the same morals?
Hernandez is a proven goalscorer on International level and European, if the likes of Soldado can go for 26 million, or Balotelli for 16 mill, Hernandez should be somewhere between 17 million to 20 million pounds, Zaha is young and english and we will want to get half the sum of money back we paid, if he has a good second half of the season I dont see why we cant ask for 6 million
Nani has been doing the business in Portugal and the Champions league and has like 4 years left on his contract, hes a long term target for Juve too, we could get 20 million if we play hardball, Henriquez has a great goal scoring record for Zagreb and may attract intrest from a bigger team in the summer, 3-4 million with add ons isnt beyond him
Michael Keane for 2 million for the likes of Hull, Burnley etc is also not beyond him
Cleverley I wasnt aware of his contract so take away about 10 million so 50 million if we dont lowball everybody like Fergie did
No chance.
Soldado went for so much because he had a proven record as a starter at Valencia over multiple seasons in a top league. Hernandez is a squad player who has done well at times and not well at others
He was a Turk.
how much do you think we will get for him then? seeing as his next move will defintley be to a club where hes first choice
£15 million if we're very lucky and several clubs are in for him, which they probably will be
If he showed a bit of development he could probably fetch 12-15. Unfortunately at this time, I doubt we could get more than 10.
Yes, really good ethics (not ethnics) and values :
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/wilfried-zaha-man-utd-aces-1871937
He played the most important role in Palace's promotion to the premier league; was the championship player of the year. Came to United and had a very good pre-season, then Moyes (a manager who didn't purchase him) didn't trust him to play a part and he was loaned to a team struggling to fight for PL survival under a manager who got them relegated. Then he was loaned to CP this year, and has done reasonably well for them so far.
How are you able to judge that he doesn't have a football brain or has shown little aptitude for improvement?
You are being extremely harsh on him for no reason. He may not make it here, but that doesn't mean he is a dumbass. The circumstances since his purchase have been extentuating.
I agree with this.
Don't see him starting games at United any time soon but silly to write him off entirely. He's obviously talented.
He's played very well for Palace today against good opposition in Spurs.
I just wonder, say Palace came to us with a £10m bid in the summer to buy him back, would you take it or decline and give him a chance to impress next season under LvG?
I just wonder, say Palace came to us with a £10m bid in the summer to buy him back, would you take it or decline and give him a chance to impress next season under LvG?
I'd take it.
I would sell him, I've never been a fan of him because he strikes me as an individual type (and not a very good one). He's assist was pure luck.
bring him back, boy is tremendous. Bags of potential. I would take him back instead of Nani
He would a decent cover for our non-existent position of winger.
He's not good enough, I always thought that was abundantly obvious. One decent cameo won't change that.
He has time in his contract probably so might as well give him a go. Definitely has potential and getting a good fee for him won't be that tough even later.
Playing pretty well today. Got the beating of the spurs right side.
Playing pretty well today. Got the beating of the spurs right side.
Still don't get why he wasn't used more as a impact sub at United atleast. He always seems good as a late sub when you need sm risk takers.
He could easily score 9-10 goals in a season if only his finishing would be better......he creates for himself so many great chances
Seems to be hitting a bit of form under Pardew and did some good stuff today. Man, his first touch is bad though. Always takes far too long to get it under control.
That was a good cameo but the same strengths and weaknesses will always exist, I feel.
God, throw being injury prone et voila, perfect United material.
Hopefully he keeps playing half decent every third game so we can get a decent fee back for him.
I will always cheer new signings. I'm an optimist you see. Before it happened I was heavily criticizing the transfer and fee in other threads though.
10 mil is nothing, I would rather risk loaning him again next year to PL club if he does well at Palace for rest of the season. I think we can always sell him for about 5-8 mil pounds.
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