But Cardiff was also a circus and lacked any kind of team spirit of style of play the same way we did. I don't think ole is poor but his performance at Cardiff was particularly poor.
Never rated him in the slightest.Wow so one season under a two poor managers and all of a sudden he is crap and not ever going to be good enough?
Only on the caf.
No, I haven't observed training. Can you explain then ,why Januzaj was given a chance but Zaha wasn't?
I don't have any opinion on our previous coaching regime.
Well, I prefer to go with the opinion of those who do observe training every day.
You seem to be able to form an opinion on them though, on what basis is that opinion formed? Do you think they're all completely clueless idiots who have no idea whatsoever about coaching? Can you explain why they had relative success at Everton if they're no good?
He hasn't been given a chance because he hasn't justified being given a chance. If he had justified it do you think he would have been denied a first team place just for the sake of it?
Solskjaer's Cardiff were a mess in the 2nd half of the season. It doesn't explain away Zaha's majority ineffective performances for them, but the rest of the team and other young talents like Daehli didn't look much better. Zaha could certainly have shown more than he did
Daehli was class last season for Cardiff. Very intelligent and was composed in situations where most would lose the ball due to the amount of pressure he received. The only thing missing was end product, which is something that isn't expected at 18-19 years old. He was consistent. Zaha was not. From his touches, to his dribbles, to his decision making, etc...
Lingard wasn't given a chance.
Januzaj was one of our very best players last season. I didn't say Zaha was one of our very best players.
You said:
You have a preference towards the opinion of a coaching regime that got many things wrong. They took a Manchester United side that dominated the league the season prior to 7th place.
You prefer to take the opinion of a manager who did observe training every day yet basically admitted he didn't know how to get the team performing.
You seem to be confused, for some reason you are taking what I've said as an absolute. When a statement is made (on this forum) regarding somebody not being good then it is obviously a relative statement, not achieving the level required.
It should not have to be put to you that such a statement is a relative and not an absolute each time it is made.
I have formed an opinion on the previous coaching regime from their catastrophic failure on the football pitch. They failed, they were not good in that job. It goes without saying they are better coaches than somebody in league 2, it should be obvious the statement is not an absolute but relative to the standard required at Manchester United, especially since this is a United forum.
To make this statement is then to imply Fellaini justified £27m. Clearly from this statement your opinion is that the coaching staff are able to accurately identify a players potential and ability therefore if this is to be applied to Zaha, it must be applied to Fellaini and also the use of Valencia as right back and right wing, the use of smalling as rb, the crossing game etc.
The coaching staff got many things wrong last season therefore judging the ability / potential of Lingard and Zaha might too be something they got wrong.
He kept the ball thats all
I'm joking you know?I read his comment as sarcastic, especially when you read the post he was referring to.
Two things. One, Daehli had a full season with Molde under his belt and he and Ole are compatriots. Not implying favoritism but they are expected to have a deep understanding and therefore it is no surpris that Daehli performs. Two, Zaha spent more than six months rotting away in our reserves while the likes of Valencia and Young and later even Giggs were repeatedly given games ahead of him. Then, he joined Cardiff on I believe the last day of the transfer window, had no preseason with them and was literally thrown into the deep end.
Irrespective of what people think about his quality. He has not been given a chance here. Personally people have selective memories cause the general consensus after the tour last year, most were looking forward to see him play.
If that's all you saw then I can't help you. A young player with that much composure on the ball who occasionally can dribble past players and put in a through ball was really impressive. The consistency shows that he has a great foundation of skills to work with. He will eventually get better at everything. With Zaha, you don't know how he'll progress due to his inconsistency in everything he does.
Its the consisntacy Daehli had an issue with. Yes he could dribble, yes he could pass, yes he scored at least 1 very very nice goal. All of it was few and far between and when Cardiff were crying out for those things he helped them keep the ball, but didnt deliver the rest
If he has a good pre-season, impressing the manager and we don't sign a new wideplayer, I could see a possible outcome where LVG likes to use him as an impact player off the bench after an hour and he can work towards getting a start or two from there.
He needs help to improve his decision making, when to release the ball after going past the first man instead of taking too long or getting tackled by the second. And his movement off the ball isn't the best, not always in a good position to receive it. But if he improves these two things I think he can be a good outlet bringing the ball forward.
He actually made more tackles than any of our wideplayers except Valencia last season, so even though he can sometimes look like he's not trying 100% when his team dont have the ball, he's still doing something for the tea. In fact in one of his only game for us last season he had a strange game against Newcastle where he came off the bench in the 68th minute and won 5 tackles in 22 minutes, equalling Evra's 5 tackles, the most of our players. So there's definitely something to work with there, he can win the ball and put the work in.
When exactly did he do that ? He hardly played for us last season, one or two cameo appearances...
At Cardiff. He had a few appearances for us, but because of the game I mentioned and the small sample size his numbers are inflated
At Cardiff however, he averaged more tackles than Januzaj, Nani, Young, Kagawa or Welbeck. Nothing to particularly gloat about, but a strong sign that he isn't just standing there scratching his ass when his team dont have the ball, even if he might give that impression to people sometimes.
Not really comparable since it are two different teams playing different football. At Cardiff will have less off the ball than United and hence it is natural that their players are chasing the game more and will have to tackle more than at United. This really is a completley useless stat imo.
I can only assume you're joking.Zaha wasn't given a chance cause he was dating David's daughter. Period.
Any idea as to why he wasn't even given a run in the last match? Was really hoping to see him in the latter stages of the match. Well plenty of pre-season games yet to come, sure he will get a chance or two to impress...
If his reportedly shit attitude caused Moyes to not give him a chance, there is an even lesser possibility that LvG does it. So let's hope he's fixed himself up.Really hope we give him a chance this year
Who would he come on for? There was 9 changes at half time. The only two that stayed was a deep laying midfielder and a defender?
Would have preferred it if he and Lingard were chosen over Young or Nani. The coming matches are all more competitive against better teams and with this match being over at 3-0, you can't think of a better time to give our youngsters a run in.
If his reportedly shit attitude caused Moyes to not give him a chance, there is an even lesser possibility that LvG does it. So let's hope he's fixed himself up.
Bear in kind that Netherlands' best player in the system was a winger. A wide player who cuts in and shoots and counters at pace is perfect for the system.Will be hard for him if we stick with 3-4-1-2. same goes for Lingard and all wingers.
I think LvG will switch between the systems and will still need wingers.
