Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace

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mic.m said:
I'm basing this off last year's pre-season in which Zaha was outperformed by both Lingaard and Januzaj. I'm also basing this on that Lingaard is amore direct player and more prolific in front of goal. Zaha wastes a lot of time and possession trying stepovers and fancy flicks + he touch is not all that great. It looks good when he pulls it off but it's frustrating. Anyone who's watched Nani on a bad day can relate.
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If you'd used this logic when Ronaldo wasn't as amazing as he was now, it might have also applied. Point is, flair players take risks. They try things others might not. Just because Zaha isn't more direct (although I don't know what kind of nonsense this is) doesn't make him worse.

Basically, you have no real factual reason to think Lingard is better than Zaha. Furthermore, they are both young, and neither of us know for a fact how either will develop. There is virtually no point in ranking them 1 and 2 right now. Both have talent, and it's opinion on who you think has "it" and who will make it.

Both have the potential to be good IMO.
 
Zaha was as good as Lingard in pre-season in my view. There were plenty on this thread takng about Zaha being a regular member of the squad after pre-season. Zaha is more proven than Lingard and imo more talented as well.
 
I think it's far too early for us to be selling him. He's only had a season. Let him go off on loan somewhere, and then reassess him at the end of the season.
 
Louis van Gaal has a lot to sort out, the winger problem is one.

Current wide players:

  • Januzaj
  • Zaha
  • Lingard
  • Nani
  • Valencia
  • Young
Then there is the issue of fitting Rooney into the team, it makes sense for Kagawa to be second choice to Juan Mata since Rooney is too good to be an understudy, he should therefore develop a specialised role out wide (something he could be suited to in van Gaal's system specifically).

There is no point if Mata gets injured or needs a rest Rooney then moving central and somebody else out wide because he himself in the past has spoke of the difficulty in constantly changing position, he'd be better off sticking to one in my opinion and developing momentum there.
 
We should've loaned him back to Palace. Would've helped to make the step up in familiar surroundings.
 
I think he will be used as a Impact Sub. I don't get why Moyes him as such in few games atleast to give him a feel and go in first half the season.

Froze him out completely. Maybe it was a attitude issue dunno, but Ole has been all praises for his talent and i can think i trust his judgement along with Sir Alex.
 
complete nonsense to sell player after one season, the season before he was the best winger in championship and had a decent preseason, somehow moyes didnt give him a chance. If hes wanted there he could be loaned to CP next year but if not I wouldnt let him go anywhere else, he seems to have some attitude problems and needs a right guide, van Gaal will see his potential and give him a go..
nontheless his las season was really disappointing, but don´t write 21years old kid off yet.
 
rpitroda said:
We are known for the odd winger signing though. Obertan, Bebe, Zaha...
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How can you compare Zaha to Bebe? Bebe was picked up from the street, Zaha was excelling in the Championship. Zaha looked like a brilliant talent and pretty much carried Crystal Palace to the premier league.
 
m1y2 said:
complete nonsense to sell player after one season, the season before he was the best winger in championship and had a decent preseason, somehow moyes didnt give him a chance. If hes wanted there he could be loaned to CP next year but if not I wouldnt let him go anywhere else, he seems to have some attitude problems and needs a right guide, van Gaal will see his potential and give him a go..
nontheless his las season was really disappointing, but don´t write 21years old kid off yet.
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How does this make sense? Crystal Palace have changed managers since he left so they are no different to any other club now. Pulis hardly uses wingers and no doubt wouldn't put up with shite from Zaha and he'd be just sitting on the bench there.

JohnnyLaw said:
How can you compare Zaha to Bebe? Bebe was picked up from the street, Zaha was excelling in the Championship. Zaha looked like a brilliant talent and pretty much carried Crystal Palace to the premier league.
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Bebe wasn't picked up from the street. He played a full season for a 2nd division Portuguese side and moved to a Primeira Liga side where he was impressive in pre-season. Reportedly bringing interest from Benfica and Real Madrid. He was a professional footballer and highly unlikely to have been living on the street.
 
limerickcitykid said:
How does this make sense? Crystal Palace have changed managers since he left so they are no different to any other club now. Pulis hardly uses wingers and no doubt wouldn't put up with shite from Zaha and he'd be just sitting on the bench there.

oh rly they changed managers? It is obviously a bit risky to trust other manager but the reason I mentioned CP is because he knows the club inside out and fans would give him support he needs to perform. I don´t watch Palace that much so I can´t say but have seen Bolasie playing wide attacking role so I have no doubt that if pulis had good winger he would play them, he just plays with what he has at disposal and Zaha could easily strenghten their squad for next season if he gets in a form before his arrival to OT
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JohnnyLaw said:
How can you compare Zaha to Bebe? Bebe was picked up from the street, Zaha was excelling in the Championship. Zaha looked like a brilliant talent and pretty much carried Crystal Palace to the premier league.
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Bebe lying on the street had a really strong bargaining position, and he demanded 7 million to come play for us.
 
limerickcitykid said:
Bebe wasn't picked up from the street. He played a full season for a 2nd division Portuguese side and moved to a Primeira Liga side where he was impressive in pre-season. Reportedly bringing interest from Benfica and Real Madrid. He was a professional footballer and highly unlikely to have been living on the street.
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Even so Bebe was a really odd an random signing. SAF had never watched him and the opinions seems split on the supposed interest from other clubs. I've heard recently that clubs such as Real buys players to raise the level of their Castilla while they're not supposed to reach the first team so even if there was interest we don't know how wht plans they had for him. Zaha was one of the highest rated talents in the country, I would hardly call that an odd signing.
 
Robbie Boy said:
This signing has always baffled me.
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This. Weirdest signing I've seen at the club.

Fergie was retiring at the end of the season yet we decided to buy a player who wouldn't play a minute of football under him. You'd think the successor might've had some input but he obviously didn't rate him at all. Complete waste.
 
Empire said:
Zaha has potential, you can't just sell him at a loss.

Lingard should be challenging for a place in the first team not playing on loan somewhere.
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Of course you can, especially if their attitude is lousy.

Why? He was reportedly hit and miss in the championship last season never mind playing in the PL for a side hoping to make the top 4.
 
Robbie Boy said:
It's horrendous. Especially given that, it has generally been an area of our team over the years that has been so strong
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If you believe that Mata will end up as a right winger like he plays for Spain, it doesn't look that depressing. It's just about Van Gaal turning one of Januzaj, Zaha, Lingard, Rooney, Kagawa or Nani into a dangerous left-winger. They all have the talent, in theory.
 
Don't like him at all, if he proves me wrong fair enough, but we can't keep every young player, and I'd rather focus on Powell and some of our academy lads than Zaha.
 
Devil may care said:
Of course you can, especially if their attitude is lousy.

Why? He was reportedly hit and miss in the championship last season never mind playing in the PL for a side hoping to make the top 4.
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Look at Carrick's attitude last season, look at most of the team's attitude, I would not say a player that cost so much who would be sold for so little, a player Ferguson must have seen some potential in, should be sold after just one season because he didn't perform well with Moyes his manager.
 
Empire said:
Look at Carrick's attitude last season, look at most of the team's attitude, I would not say a player that cost so much who would be sold for so little, a player Ferguson must have seen some potential in, should be sold after just one season because he didn't perform well with Moyes his manager.
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The players were very low on confidence last season and deserve the bollocking they got, but Zaha's attitude had nothing to do with poor performances, it seemed his attitude was bad as regards putting the work in and when he went to Cardiff he couldn't even cement a place as a regular in that crappy side. We paid £10M for him, most reports say we'll get £7M if we sold him, that's not a huge loss.
 
Devil may care said:
The players were very low on confidence last season and deserve the bollocking they got, but Zaha's attitude had nothing to do with poor performances, it seemed his attitude was bad as regards putting the work in and when he went to Cardiff he couldn't even cement a place as a regular in that crappy side. We paid £10M for him, most reports say we'll get £7M if we sold him, that's not a huge loss.
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He went to Cardiff low on confidence for the second half of the season, it was quite a difficult environment that. Also unless you were observing training it's difficult to say how bad his attitude was in regards to putting the work in.
 
Empire said:
He went to Cardiff low on confidence for the second half of the season, it was quite a difficult environment that. Also unless you were observing training it's difficult to say how bad his attitude was in regards to putting the work in.
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Well, I prefer to go with the opinion of those who do observe training every day. Clearly Zaha showed nothing to warrant a first team place here, and the fact that we are apparently prepared to sell him indicates that we don't think he will improve sufficiently.

The rumour out of Carrington last season was that he simply wasn't taking in what the coaches were trying to teach him and nothing has happened since, either here or at Cardiff, that would refute the accuracy of that rumour.
 
I don't see why people wouldn't like him? He hasn't been given the minutes here. And at Cardiff, he was low on match fitness and confidence. At Palace he was brilliant and he deserves to show what he can do here before we even talk about him getting shipped off.
 
Needs to go in the US with the squad and be assessed by LVG, like most of our players. Doesn't look to have the mentality to be a top player imo, but he's still young and deserves a chance.

needs to stay away from LVG daughter, though.
 
Rednotdead said:
Well, I prefer to go with the opinion of those who do observe training every day. Clearly Zaha showed nothing to warrant a first team place here, and the fact that we are apparently prepared to sell him indicates that we don't think he will improve sufficiently.

The rumour out of Carrington last season was that he simply wasn't taking in what the coaches were trying to teach him and nothing has happened since, either here or at Cardiff, that would refute the accuracy of that rumour.
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Have you forgotten that those very coaches got many things wrong. I'd rather see him try once more with Louis van Gaal, Ferguson must have seen some potential.

I'm also glad he didn't take in what the coaches taught him, assuming this is true, less for him to unlearn for the new coaches.

BTW - How do you know we are prepared to sell him?

Also, those who were observing training everyday, they didn't have a clue last season, I like your optimism valuing their opinions.
 
Zaha is no better than Bebe. I said that last pre season, where many seemed to think he was very good. I stand by it. He's a fraud in my view, who looks eye catching, but produces very little.

To think people tried to compare him to Sterling even. He is miles behind even Ince or Lingard, let alone Sterling. If Newcastle offered the reported £7m I'd take it without hesitation.

Obviously this post will haunt me one day!
 
Empire said:
Have you forgotten that those very coaches got many things wrong. I'd rather see him try once more with Louis van Gaal, Ferguson must have seen some potential.

I'm also glad he didn't take in what the coaches taught him, assuming this is true, less for him to unlearn for the new coaches.

BTW - How do you know we are prepared to sell him?

Also, those who were observing training everyday, they didn't have a clue last season, I like your optimism valuing their opinions.
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I suppose it's handy to blame everyone but Zaha himself for his failures. Not just here, at Cardiff too.
 
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