BBC said it was 10M rising to 15M based on appearances/success, doesn't matter much but just letting people know.
Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace
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It was a bad decision by Fergie to spend 15m on a raw winger from the championship 5 months before his retirement. It would have made sense if he had played for us and had helped in the run-in. Instead he was immediately loaned back. Why spend a lot of money on a player who is never going to play for you? He should have left it up to Moyes to decide if he wanted the player.
Yeah, that was the joke. Well done.
If he does have an arrogance problem (which itself is speculative, but hypothetically, let's assume so for the sake of this post...) then maybe it will do him good being on the sidelines at Cardiff. A much needed wake up call, perhaps. A kind of "If you aren't even getting in the Cardiff side then you sure as hell need to buckle down and work your balls off to make it at United"
So, what's to come for him next season? Pray that we can find him a loan to a Premiership club that will give him regular playing time?
So, what's to come for him next season? Pray that we can find him a loan to a Premiership club that will give him regular playing time?
After missing out on the likes of Bale, Ox-Chamberlain and Sterling etc...it's possible Fergie felt he couldn't afford to dally about a decision and let another up and coming England star go to one of his rivals even if Zaha was not guaranteed to make it at Utd
Said it when we bought him and nothing has changed my mind, a dud.
After his debut for Cardiff everyone said Moyes was an idiot for not playing him ahead of Valencia. Now everyone's writing him off because he's not starting. When will people learn to reserve judgement. He's young and stupid but so was Ronaldo. All that's holding him back from being very effective is learning how to play with a team, which he will learn in time. He has searing pace and undeniably has tricks that very few have. All you need to do as a winger is to be able to beat your man on both sides, I could put in a decent ball with my bad foot once I'm past my man. Just needs to learn to be more patient in the build up, get into the right positions, get past his man, get his head up. Can certainly be a success, but as plenty have said it's totally up to him
Regardless of his quality or potential, I still find it weird how Fergie went out and spend the amount of money he did on a raw young player knowing he'd be retiring at the end of the season.
He dallied over signing a midfielder for 4 years. He knew he was leaving at the end of the season. He should never have signed Zaha unless he wanted him in our squad immediately. He basically signed a player on behalf of Moyes without finding out if Moyes wanted/rated the player. The likelihood of losing out on a potential superster does not justify making a signing that could potentially limit a new managers transfer options.
He did well in his little cameo in the Liverpool game. Was good going forward and tracked back well to defend. Better than the last few times. I was surprised that this was bumped after that game. Then checked back to see it was a 'Pool fan who did and made a useless comment referring to his fee. Not surprised now.
To be fair it's not that difficult to look energetic when you come on as a fresh man with 65 minutes gone. If he's to progress at all he needs to firstly justify a starting place in the team, then perform over 90 minutes. In that respect, he hasn't yet left the "Go" square.
He just needs a manager that's going to use him correctly in a system that suits him. He's got all the talent to become a world class winger. He can beat a man, he's quick, he's also very strong. He should always be played on the left, cutting in and bamboozling the fullback and deciding whether to shot or pull a cross back. Basically play him like how ribery is played at bayern and I have no doubt he'd be a star.
:clapping: agreed. it's amazing how true this is. I'm sure zaha's alleged issues could be a hindrance to his development but as we saw in his time at crystal palace, when the system suits him, he can be dangerous. Mind you they were coming up from the championship but still, the signs were there.
It's rare to shine in a system/environment where you're not exactly wanted or regarded highly.
Nathan Redmond is better at the moment.
This is the thing for me. Redmond was 2m and Zaha was 15. I don't see much difference between Redmond, Zaha or Tom Ince.
He is only young and can get better but he seems as big a prick and up is own arse as Ravel.
This season has been a write-off for him and he can't afford many more of those if he is going to make a career at United. When he comes back he will need to show he is up there with the likes of Welbeck and Januzaj, or he won't get much game time. At the moment he is miles behind them.
Right now I do see a difference, and its that Redmond has had a solid season in the premier league and stands out for the under 21s for England. Zaha hasn't done either in my opinion. He did have a couple of good games for the under 21s but he was outshone by Sterling at every turn and I still wasn't that impressed with him.
Ince and Zaha are struggling to find their feet in a tougher league.
I find it difficult to see a future for him at the club right now. I'd be happy for him to replace one of Young or Valencia in the squad next season though. I think we'll be in the market for a quality winger too, further making it challenging for him here.
As I've said before, I personally suspect you'll never see him in a Man Utd jersey again. There were whispers coming out of Carrington earlier on in the season that he just wasn't learning or taking in what the coaches were trying to teach him. Judging by the fact that he can't even command a starting berth at Cardiff it would appear there's been no improvement while he's been there. If he's to come back to Utd and compete for a place in the team he should be setting Cardiff alight but he's not even close to that.
Contributed to the equaliser for Cardiff against West Brom.
Some nice words from Fábio: Wilfried Zaha can make it at Man Utd - Fabio Da Silva
Some nice words from Fábio: Wilfried Zaha can make it at Man Utd - Fabio Da Silva
Any gifs or youtube stuff today? Thanks in advance
Here's his role in the equaliser for Cardiff today:
Here are some match comps from this season (with Manchester United and Cardiff):
Finally, some MOTD analysis on his début:
Thanks Money! I'm in for the night...!
Don't think this has been posted. No quotes etc. but I wouldn't be amazed to see it happen.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ilfried-Zaha-summer-David-Moyes-looks-on.html
Its shocking to me that United can give up on such a talented young player when players like Anderson and Cleverley have been given time to show their worth. He's only 21 years old. This is mere paper talk but by the looks of things its probably going to happen. Have we forgot how to spot and nurture talent?
Maybe he isn't actually as good as we think he is? Can't even hold down a place for Cardiff and every time ive watched him he hasn't been that good except for a few nice tricks here and there. Alot like obertan in a way.
He's young, English and a proven star in the Championship. We'll recoup most of our initial outlay if this sale happens. Zaha was always going to a gamble, but the dice were loaded in our favour.
It was his ball that led to Cardiff's equaliser against West Brom. If there's a place for Young in this team I don't see how giving the kid a proper chance would be so wrong. Zaha has been mismanaged under Moyes. His last appearance in the league was the last 15 or so mins against Newcastle united when we were down 1-0 at OT. That was his first involvement in months! What a way to heap pressure on a young player.
Maybe signing for Manchester United has gotten into his head. That kid might have an attitude problem. First it was him forgetting his United jacket or something during the pre-season and then he was almost an hour late for a game.
SAF shouldn't have signed him when he knew he was going to retire from the game. If he goes to another club and succeed then good luck to him. We have missed out on good players before so we have to live with it.
Zaha hasn't been mismanaged at all by Moyes. We don't see what goes on in training every day - Moyes and his coaches do. Zaha can't even win a starting place in the Cardiff team - are you going to claim OGS is mismanaging him too? The purchase of Zaha was a poor piece of judgment by Fergie. Don't blame Moyes for being left a player who simply wasn't, and will never be, good enough for Man Utd. He may go on to have a reasonable career elsewhere, but I predict he will never reach the level we would have required here.
How often do these transfers work out? From the championship or lower to a top premier league club? There can't be many instances where that happened. Oxlade Chamberlain recently is the only one I can remember.
A player from a lower league to one of the top clubs is usually on the basis of potential that can be developed over time rather than being ready to go straight into the team. Zaha's problem seems to be that he simply wasn't learning or developing. Maybe he thought that signing for Utd meant he'd made it into the big time and didn't need to learn anything. From what's gone on at Utd and with England U/21s there certainly seems to be an attitude problem.
Well one part is Anderson was bought by the manager so obviously he was going to give him time. Too much as it happens.
Zaha was bought by one manager, then Moyes came in. He's in the difficult situation of not being a player his manager wanted and having not achieved anything at the club. If Moyes came in a season later where Zaha has shown some good stuff off the bench it would be different.
However, there's also the possibility that we havent given up on him at all and that after a loan spell Moyes will look to integrate him. The actual loan spell isnt going amazingly but we've had that with some other young players before who still got chances
You don't think throwing a young player in a high pressure situation (case in point 0-1 down at home to Newcastle) with 15 minutes to go is mismanagement? He didn't play him again after that, what a way to build his confidence. He could have at least given him major game time in the capitalone cup. Yes, Moyes is the man who sees players in training, but why is it that whenever we see a shit lineup we already know whats going to happen and it usually does?
Why is it that even though he sees Kagawa in training everyday he made statements like 'I was surprised by Shinji's performance' after he performed well in a CL game against Sociedad? He then dropped him for our next three games after promising to feature him more. Some players just need to be on the field to show what they can do.
No I don't consider bringing a young player on with 15 mins to go when you're 1-0 down as "mismanagement". The player has nothing to lose and everything to gain. Maybe he didn't get playing time in the Capital One cup because he didn't actually justify it in training. To be perfectly honest I would trust the judgment of Moyes and his coaches in that respect. They know far better than you or I what went on in training.
Added to that, as I said OGS doesn't even rate him highly enough to give him a starting place in the Cardiff lineup. Then again, maybe in your opinion he should be starting for Cardiff so that he can show what he's clearly never shown in training at either Utd or Cardiff.
1. Moyes and his cronies don't know what they're doing. This guy started Cleverley on the right in a massive game after a long layoff FFS. If he had any tactical nous we'd be far better than our current position
2. Daehli is not currently starting games at Cardiff either, he's easily one of the most talented players in the team
3. Zaha still made a telling contribution in Cardiffs late equaliser against West Brom, playing the ball that led to the goal itself, scored by Daehli. If you've seen any of his performances for Cardiff you'll know he's had some bright moments and he's shown signs of linking up very well with Daeli for instance.
The qualities Zaha possesses are exactly what we've been missing in attack this season. We've been slow, lethargic and predictable. Zaha is anything but any of those. He seemed to effortlessly fit in with the team during preseason. If anything, our only bright sparks in that drub preseason were Zaha, Januzaj and Lindgard.
You can't tell me that same player simply just went to shit in training, not enough to warrant even a start in a Capital one game! Even as a late sub his pace and trickery against tired legs would be invaluable but he only got that once. Zaha is the type of raw talent Fergie relished polishing into the finished article.
I suspect Moyes wants him to have a season or two in the premiership to get sharp and Ole has just felt the pressure after things didnt go his way as he's turned back to the wide players who were being used before he signed Zaha and Daehli. Daehli is his preferred option off the bench though
Actually, it's looking quite like Moyes wants to get rid. Rightly in my view.
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