From the videos he looks a bit daft. Is he a but daft?
Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace
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Thankfully I've never seen his but.
Read something interesting from a Palace fan.............He was saying that playing for United Zaha will have twice the amount of space that he gets at the moment. Hes tended to be marked by 2 players in the championship especially in the last 6 months.
That's true. Rooney and Persie can give him that space, easily.
I am sucker for skillful wingers with flair, and have now decided to become rather excited about this signing.
Yeh just...okay. I answer to most things anyway.
You don't have to give a detailed reply...that isn't what I said. I said you should at least give an explanation as to what you feel, and more importantly...why you feel something I said was idiotic. Not hard to fathom surely. At least I have attempted to explain my thinking.
As for your little analogy I don't know where to begin. All I can say is it would be wrong to ignore that child as they may have anal fissures bought on through such ailments as chronic constipation. You see it's a bit of a shit analogy (excuse shit pun) as it is clear the child may well have red poo and their claim is authentic in a physical sense.
What I said is just subjective.....that is the beauty of opinion, there is nothing de facto its just debate. You don't agree fine, but don't dismiss it as idiotic when you come back with an analogy as piss poor as that.
Would agree with that definitely....I know a few Palace fans and their general view is that either a wide man and/or a central midfielder will combine with the full-back to double up and close down space in front of him.
It will help him to become more aware of his options when he comes up against top-level teams and the space is less obvious. Top wide players such as Bale and Nani have been adding new dimension to their attacking play, and it is something Valencia should have been doing for years....he's struggling now as he doesn't have the instinct or inclination to find new ways in being effective.
Zaha seems to be an attacker who enjoys moving inside, but again it's about finding that space to run into. If I was Valencia I would be slightly concerned about next season as he appears to be the wide player with the least versatility....and Ferguson clearly values that right now.
Would it make you feel better if rather than 'one of the most idiotic' I said 'one of the more interesting'
I feel then we can move forward. As for Zaha, I'll just simply say that we have different opinions. I think Zaha is a perfect fit for United. Lucas Moura, whilst exciting, wouldn't have been - in my opinion.
I can't say that i know much about this player, having said that i trust that manager and the team of scouts. I hope that he lives up to the potential which he clearly has and is able to add value to our squad.
I am amazed this transfer has caused so much debate. I mean, maybe the transfer fee is a £5million higher than what I expected it to be - but he was hyped up so much, was it actually a huge surprise? Fergie wouldn't have agreed to such a figure if he didn't think he could show his worth. We all know how good of a manager Fergie is - and I'm sure that he wouldn't want to take on a player who wouldn't be able to handle the pressure of such a price tag over a Championship player.
He seems to have all the qualities to be a successful winger here. Pace, can beat a man and end-product. He's perfectly capable.
Fergie very rarely gets it wrong with English players, and even more rarer with wingers.
I can't wait to see him in a United shirt. Seems like an electric player that could get the crowd on their feet within seconds.
He seems to have all the qualities to be a successful winger here. Pace, can beat a man and end-product. He's perfectly capable.
Fergie very rarely gets it wrong with English players, and even more rarer with wingers.
I can't wait to see him in a United shirt. Seems like an electric player that could get the crowd on their feet within seconds.
No I'm not that fecking precious! I would just rather hear why you think it is idiotic, purely in the context of discussion. I've already stated that if you don't agree with me fair enough, I would just rather know why...then I can understand why you disagree. I don't think you can quite adjust "idiotic" to "interesting" but there you go. You are not giving me any change at all.
I hope you are right about Zaha....as for Lucas well we will probably never know. I understand why we didn't buy him at that price.....but I understand why PSG did.
Lucas wouldn't have been? Love to know why you think that.... silly comment really...
Edit: Commsit, ever hit your head repeatadly at a wall hoping that your headbutt would turn the wall into gold? You have about as much chance of that as getting sense out of the above judging from what I have seen on last few posts...
He has been magnificent from the moment he stepped into OT. He has to contend with playing at RB for large chunks and carried an injury and played through the pain barrier when needed, without as much as a strop. He was our POY last season is it to much to suggest you are going overboard regarding Valencia? It will be good to see people eat their words when he is back on song.
They won't, they'll just find another spacegoat.
Kagawa is a good contender for that at the moment. Not that he'll be my scapegoat, Mike Phelan will always have that honour.
Kagawa is a good contender for that at the moment. Not that he'll be my scapegoat, Mike Phelan will always have that honour.
Was thinking more like Rooney but hope not but i do get the feeling he's undervalued by some fans since the RVP move. Why can't we just appreciate them both?
Refreshing to hear someone talking sense
Brilliant post.
We have to get some use out of Ashley Young!
Do you really think you are really one to talk?
I feel Zaha fits in more because of what I said earlier in this thread. He is English and has 100+ games experience in the English game whereas Moura has none. That's not something you can even debate is it? Unless Lucas has played for an English club in your football manager game and he was good. don't know why you're debating something factual. Nevermind.
Good point. The thing is we've watched football for a long time to know that players go through spells, it's part and parcel of football and its difficult to say the least to expect a squad of 25 to all be firing on all cylinders every single time they play.
Who in the history of the world has ever done this? That's the most ridiculous analogy i've ever read on here
Wow, it's pretty clear you haven't actually watched much of Moura. I have no idea where you're getting some of this from. I haven't seen anything of Zaha bar the youtube videos, but I've seen quite a lot of Moura. He is FAR from a sure thing! He's certainly talented, but he has a very, very long way to go before he comes even close to justifying that price tag. Firstly, he wasn't "very good" at the Olympics. He was decent, but didn't even start.
Moura is NOT a technical player, where in the name of absolute feck have you got this from? For every piece of skill that comes off, he loses it ten times. Of course this is expected from a young player, but his technique is far from standout for a player of his type. His touch is erratic, and I'm being extremely generous here. His vision is nothing special, it's probably about where it should be for a winger of his age. For example, if you contrast Lucas with Neymar, there is simply no comparison in terms of technique, touch, vision, creativity, flair etc.. Now, what Lucas does have is an abundance of pace and acceleration which instantly makes him a threat, as well as good strength and very good balance. His dribbling is decent but more often than not he just kicks it ahead of himself and sprints past his opponent. Not necessarily a bad thing but he has a lot of work to do. I'm not saying Lucas is a bad prospect, but to me it's clear you've bought into the hype without actually watching him much. He's really not what he's purported to be which your post is proof of. I really don't know how you've come to the conclusion that he's some sort of technical genius, but it's far from the truth. I've watched him a lot. Hard for me to say since I haven't seen Zaha, but I'd imagine they're much closer talent wise than you'd like to think. And I wouldn't even be that confident that Moura will turn out to be the better player.
Here you go Cosmit. My reasons why your post was silly are all in here. Calling Moura a 'sure thing' is just nonsense. He has no experience in England and we don't actually know how good he is or will be. Years ago United signed Veron and Chelsea signed Lampard. Everybody thought Veron was a sure thing and Lampard was a risk.
A bit vitriolic but basically accurate. The Caf has a very overinflated opinion of Lucas because most of those who talk about him have only ever seen a YouTube video or a match or two. Even those who rate him about right seem to think he's a different sort of player than he is, often likening him to Hazard and Kagawa when players like Valencia (the confident, in-form Valencia), Zaha and Walcott are all, in different ways, closer matches.
Like Nanderson, I've not seen enough of Zaha to comment too much on the comparison, but Lucas would have been a massive gamble, and at the prices quoted certainly as much of one as Zaha is.
Having seen the obligatory video on page 3 my excitement levels have raised immensely. I may have to take a trip with Mary Jane to calm those levels down slightly.
And he's Brazilian. An englishman? Technically gifted? What?
Just want to endorse this post.
Yep I agree he has been superb, never questioned that. He is arguably our finest authentic winger since Kanchelskis. He is struggling though, and a lot of that stems from the fact he does not possess enough versatility within his game. When he does what he does well, he is a force to be reckoned with.....but when he cannot he is too often a passenger.
I like Valencia...a lot...but it doesn't mean I don't recognise his shortcomings. Come on man stop being so precious.....I've hardly fecking battered him.
It's getting a tad ridiculous how people just jump on every little bit of criticism just to score some points with over-protective posters. I stand by everything I say and for the record....I want to see players succeed for this club just as much as anyone else....so I won't be eating any words trust me.
You nugget. It was nothing to do with Lucas Moura....I was talking about the concept of Zaha's transfer. You just couldn't answer my question...it's ok I've gathered that.
Cosmit, Comtit, Cossmit WTF???
I think I need to change my name to SmackyBuzz or something.
Who in the history of the world has ever done this? That's the most ridiculous analogy i've ever read on here
Its indecently brilliant. I wouldn't endorse it though.
What?! The bit i referred to as idiotic was you calling Moura a sure thing and now I've given you a reason why I thought it was stupid. What more do you want seriously?! Most people would have just left it, I've been kind enough to reply to you and you just won't accept any answer.
It has plenty to do with Lucas Moura.
I watched a lot of Lucas in the Brasileirão and he's certainly not a sure thing at £30m, nor is he a particularly impressive player from a technical point of view. I'm not sure any of his best qualities are technical to be honest. His first touch is a bit hit-and-miss though he's quite inventive, his passing's crisp and incisive but again a little hit-and-miss, his dribbling's all about his pace, low centre of gravity and powerful running...there's nothing else there really. He's got a lot of great raw qualities to work with but at the moment he's all potential. Zaha looks similar in the sense that he can pick out a pass, beat a man easily and pull off some great touches but his game's awfully unrefined.
What would lead you to believe it's lazy? Just because he was a hyped English talent doesn't mean there isn't genuine talent there that we should be looking at.
Thank you Brwned for being smart in a house of nutters.
Cosmit, how much of Zaha and Moura have you actually watched to come to the conclusion that they are miles apart? And please don't just lie to try and prove something we know isn't true.
I'm going to be honest and say I haven't seen much of either, but its ridiculous at this point to say either one is Worlds apart from the other.
My example was Veron and Lampard. I remember at the time people were laughing at Chelsea for signing a kid from West Ham who many thought was overrated whilst United went out and signed an Argentine many considered one of the best in the World. A few years later and it's an entirely different ball game.
Cosmit, how much of Zaha and Moura have you actually watched to come to the conclusion that they are miles apart? And please don't just lie to try and prove something we know isn't true.
I'm going to be honest and say I haven't seen much of either, but its ridiculous at this point to say either one is Worlds apart from the other.
My example was Veron and Lampard. I remember at the time people were laughing at Chelsea for signing a kid from West Ham who many thought was overrated whilst United went out and signed an Argentine many considered one of the best in the World. A few years later and it's an entirely different ball game.
No way was/is lucas moura a sure thing. not a fecking chance and i'm one who definitely shits on british transfers/talents in favour of foreign ones.
Hazard on the other hand was as close to a sure thing as possible. Not lucas.
zaha has all the chance of being as good as lucas maybe or he can turn into shit like young.
I am confident that zaha will not be in hazard's class but then again I don't think anyone has said that zaha will make it to hazard's future level.
Hazard on the other hand was as close to a sure thing as possible. Not lucas.
zaha has all the chance of being as good as lucas maybe or he can turn into shit like young.
I am confident that zaha will not be in hazard's class but then again I don't think anyone has said that zaha will make it to hazard's future level.
What has Hazard even got to do with it? Neither Zaha or Lucas are anything like him?
Maybe not world's apart but if i were you, I'd delete this line. Isn't it a bit much to say something is ridiculous if you haven't seen much of either player?
i know enough to say they arent worlds apart.
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