given the price, hope to feck not.
Wilfried Zaha - Sold to Crystal Palace
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given the price, hope to feck not.
I don't know if it was the only shite part, but it was certainty the shitest part.
Your explanation is no less shite, in truth.
Ayee, it's really bizzare.
How do you know if it was the shitest part if you don't know if it was the only shite part?
Mmmm...
And I definitely don't need to explain myself to you mate....get a fecking grip!
What a lazy post.
I have done. But it's not the same as watching him play in the Premier League, with the pressure of being a fairly high-profile Manchester United signing. That was the whole point of my post: until I've seen that - the only thing that really matters at the end of the day - I'm reserving judgement.
we should atleast let him produce a bebe style cross before crucifying him
Valencia, Young, Zaha - none of them are in or ever will be in Nani class and we need more players in Nani class.
Im a big fan of Nani, but how can you say that about Zaha at this point? Even with Valencia, hes had periods where hes been far more reliable than Nani even though hes not as talented.
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Was Smalling? Fulham bought him from a lower league club, was only with them for a short while and played only a couple of times for Fulham..didn't turn out badly. When we bought CR, did it show much ambition? It took years for him to fulfil that potential. Seems to me we've been doing the same thing here, but because he's not exotic enough, you're not happy.
We're fine on the wings when Valencia remembers how to play again. Him and Nani when on form is up there with the best wingers. Young is a good squad player, and Zaha will add to that and maybe become even more n
Daily Mirror
Ian Holloway column
I am delighted that Wilfried Zaha will become a Manchester United player.
In fact, I would like to think I played a big role in making it happen.
And before any cynics out there think about raising an eyebrow, let me make it clear straight away that I won’t be making a single penny from a transfer that was in danger of dying on the vine.
In my three years as *manager of Blackpool, I used to benefit financially whenever we sold a player.
That was because, when I took up Karl Oyston’s offer to become boss at Bloomfield Road, I accepted a wage that was well below the going rate being paid in the Championship.
When we were promoted to the Premier League, the terms of my contract *remained exactly the same – even though that single season in the top-flight was worth about £90million to the club.
To compensate for this, it was written into my contract that I would earn a bonus every time a player who had improved under my coaching was sold to another club.
It was all legal and above board – and it enabled me to make somewhere near the kind of cash that my peers were banking through their basic wage.
But when the arrangement was made public, all hell broke loose.
There is no way I would have ever sold a player *purely for my own financial gain.
Any deal had to the right for both Blackpool Football Club and the player himself.
And I would like to think that I gave great value for money to the Tangerines.
When I became manager of Crystal Palace in *November, I was delighted to accept the challenge of *taking charge of a big club.
I was also very happy with the financial package I was offered.
Being paid a bonus based on player sales wasn’t even an issue.
It didn’t need to be.
The deal agreed between Palace and United for *Wilfried Zaha is one where all three parties win.
We receive a fee for a *player who came through the ranks at Selhurst Park to win an *England cap and we also get to keep him for the rest of the season to boost our promotion dream.
United have bought a player who is as good as anyone I have ever worked with in my entire career as player or manager.
And Wilfried will be joining arguably the biggest football club in the world and will be working under a manager who is a genius at improving footballers.
But it has been a protracted process.
At one point, I thought the deal would not be done – thanks to the input of a number of agents who tried to turn the *player’s head with ridiculous promises.
One agent, in particular, acted absolutely disgracefully and although I won’t give him the oxygen of publicity by naming him in my column, I will tell him exactly what I think of him the next time our paths cross.
There isn’t an agent in the world who can guarantee a footballer a move to *Manchester United.
Only the player himself can earn himself that kind of transfer – by playing so well that a manager like Sir Alex Ferguson feels compelled to sign him.
So why on earth should an agent earn a vast amount of money when he has nothing to do with the player’s *development or either football club?
The answer, in short, is that they shouldn’t.
It got to a stage when I was worried that Sir Alex would end his *interest in Wilfried, such was the skulduggery of certain people who had nothing to do with Palace or United.
So I decided to call the great man himself and assure him that Wilfried has all the physical and mental attributes to be a great success at Old Trafford.
Whether my words to Sir Alex helped, I don’t know.
But earlier this season, I vowed to always do what I could to help one of my *players to better himself. Even if that meant losing him.
I fear that I did not do enough to help Matt Phillips earn a *fantastic move to a *Premier League club in my final months as Blackpool *manager.
Matt, who is now a Scotland international, cost just £350,000 when I signed him from Wycombe.
When an offer came in for him from a top-flight club in the summer, it did not meet Blackpool’s *valuation and he stayed at Bloomfield Road.
I was absolutely gutted when the lad then suffered a serious toe injury that *required surgery, although I am delighted to report that he has just returned to fitness and action.
In the intervening months, I have often questioned *whether I tried hard enough to convince Blackpool to do the deal.
That’s because I am a *believer that good reputations are hard to build, but easy to destroy.
At Selhurst Park, we *already have a terrific youth set-up that has produced players such as Zaha and Victor Moses.
If I am trying to *persuade a promising footballer to sign for our club, I will be able to use those two *players as *examples of what can be achieved with Palace.
We have helped both of hem to develop from raw *schoolboys to full *internationals.
And, when the opportunity to move on to bigger and *better things arose, we didn’t stand in their way.
Of course, I would have loved to see Wilfried playing in the Premier League next season in a Palace shirt, with a *lucrative long-term contract safely tucked away in his club blazer.
But transfers to Manchester United are once-in-a-lifetime opportunites.
Ian Holloway column
I am delighted that Wilfried Zaha will become a Manchester United player.
In fact, I would like to think I played a big role in making it happen.
And before any cynics out there think about raising an eyebrow, let me make it clear straight away that I won’t be making a single penny from a transfer that was in danger of dying on the vine.
In my three years as *manager of Blackpool, I used to benefit financially whenever we sold a player.
That was because, when I took up Karl Oyston’s offer to become boss at Bloomfield Road, I accepted a wage that was well below the going rate being paid in the Championship.
When we were promoted to the Premier League, the terms of my contract *remained exactly the same – even though that single season in the top-flight was worth about £90million to the club.
To compensate for this, it was written into my contract that I would earn a bonus every time a player who had improved under my coaching was sold to another club.
It was all legal and above board – and it enabled me to make somewhere near the kind of cash that my peers were banking through their basic wage.
But when the arrangement was made public, all hell broke loose.
There is no way I would have ever sold a player *purely for my own financial gain.
Any deal had to the right for both Blackpool Football Club and the player himself.
And I would like to think that I gave great value for money to the Tangerines.
When I became manager of Crystal Palace in *November, I was delighted to accept the challenge of *taking charge of a big club.
I was also very happy with the financial package I was offered.
Being paid a bonus based on player sales wasn’t even an issue.
It didn’t need to be.
The deal agreed between Palace and United for *Wilfried Zaha is one where all three parties win.
We receive a fee for a *player who came through the ranks at Selhurst Park to win an *England cap and we also get to keep him for the rest of the season to boost our promotion dream.
United have bought a player who is as good as anyone I have ever worked with in my entire career as player or manager.
And Wilfried will be joining arguably the biggest football club in the world and will be working under a manager who is a genius at improving footballers.
But it has been a protracted process.
At one point, I thought the deal would not be done – thanks to the input of a number of agents who tried to turn the *player’s head with ridiculous promises.
One agent, in particular, acted absolutely disgracefully and although I won’t give him the oxygen of publicity by naming him in my column, I will tell him exactly what I think of him the next time our paths cross.
There isn’t an agent in the world who can guarantee a footballer a move to *Manchester United.
Only the player himself can earn himself that kind of transfer – by playing so well that a manager like Sir Alex Ferguson feels compelled to sign him.
So why on earth should an agent earn a vast amount of money when he has nothing to do with the player’s *development or either football club?
The answer, in short, is that they shouldn’t.
It got to a stage when I was worried that Sir Alex would end his *interest in Wilfried, such was the skulduggery of certain people who had nothing to do with Palace or United.
So I decided to call the great man himself and assure him that Wilfried has all the physical and mental attributes to be a great success at Old Trafford.
Whether my words to Sir Alex helped, I don’t know.
But earlier this season, I vowed to always do what I could to help one of my *players to better himself. Even if that meant losing him.
I fear that I did not do enough to help Matt Phillips earn a *fantastic move to a *Premier League club in my final months as Blackpool *manager.
Matt, who is now a Scotland international, cost just £350,000 when I signed him from Wycombe.
When an offer came in for him from a top-flight club in the summer, it did not meet Blackpool’s *valuation and he stayed at Bloomfield Road.
I was absolutely gutted when the lad then suffered a serious toe injury that *required surgery, although I am delighted to report that he has just returned to fitness and action.
In the intervening months, I have often questioned *whether I tried hard enough to convince Blackpool to do the deal.
That’s because I am a *believer that good reputations are hard to build, but easy to destroy.
At Selhurst Park, we *already have a terrific youth set-up that has produced players such as Zaha and Victor Moses.
If I am trying to *persuade a promising footballer to sign for our club, I will be able to use those two *players as *examples of what can be achieved with Palace.
We have helped both of hem to develop from raw *schoolboys to full *internationals.
And, when the opportunity to move on to bigger and *better things arose, we didn’t stand in their way.
Of course, I would have loved to see Wilfried playing in the Premier League next season in a Palace shirt, with a *lucrative long-term contract safely tucked away in his club blazer.
But transfers to Manchester United are once-in-a-lifetime opportunites.
How do Palace fans feel about that piece?
Not great, I'd imagine.
Not great, I'd imagine.
I wouldn't be too upset if I was a Palace fan. Holloway is a smart man, all through it I was thinking what he basically said at the end "if I was a young talented player, I'd look at what Holloway has done for Moses and Zaha and think seriously about playing for him."
Although he didn't actually have anything to do with Moses, I agree with the point. Holloway always comes across honest with his opinion which are usually very practical and smart. I do think Premier league will be better with people like him around so I hope Palace gets promoted with Zaha playing a big part in it.
Sometimes the clubs, fans and manager just need to accept the fact that the player will leave because they have their own ambitions/preference and the best the club could do is accept that and try to reach the best outcome for all the parties concerned.
To be fair he's done next to feck all for either Moses or Zaha
Does Vps mean Van Persie? What the fecking feck?
I'm not sure what's worse, seemingly suggesting that a 20 year old cannot possibly improve, or calling RVP a bad signing.
I'd be surprised if it bothered them.
I think the thing you have to remember is that Championship fans are very aware about their level, they're not Liverpool fans who think their club is 2 or 3 levels above what they actually are.
No one will be under any illusions that Zaha would need to move on at some point if he was to achieve his potential (and if they weren't convinced that Zaha had it they'd be happy with £15m for a dud) and I think they can all appreciate that Holloway tried to secure the best deal for the club as well as Zaha.
I can see why you'd initially think Holloway's comments would be taken badly, but I think you're approaching that from a point of view of a United fan rather than putting yourself in the shoes of a Palace fan who was always aware Zaha would leave.
That is truly one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read.
Anyway, I thought the Holloway interview was refreshingly honest and it speaks volumes that everyone who had worked closely with the lad seems absolutely convinced that his potential is sky high.
VPS cracks me up every time.
Holloway is clearly confirming he is one of SAFs minions
Commadus must be on a wind up there, that's outrageous.
I remember that post from Comsmit, truly baffling stuff.
Zaha's biggest problem right now is the Championship label I guess, he hasn't played in the PL, a rare thing for an English player we sign, especially at that price.
But who cares? If the scouts feel he's good enough then that's what matters, it's not like we have a bad record signing English players.
Zaha's biggest problem right now is the Championship label I guess, he hasn't played in the PL, a rare thing for an English player we sign, especially at that price.
But who cares? If the scouts feel he's good enough then that's what matters, it's not like we have a bad record signing English players.
Na he said VPs was a bad signing. So i will assume he ment somebody else. Maybe's its Bebe's nickname.
He didn't even say he had. He said the club had.
I can't really remember the details, but what was the general reaction when Arsenal signed Oxlaide-Chamberlain? Were people not positive about it? Personally I'm really looking forward to him joining United. Whether or not his signing means we offload another winger, I'm not sure, but he's definitely an exciting prospect.
Commadus
Its actually Comsmit (I know its quite hard as it doesn't make any sense..but still)
I always find comments like yours fairly amusing, desperately attempting to attain a perceived superiority complex. If you disagree fair enough I understand...but to suggest it is idiotic you should at least offer a half ass explanation as to why you feel it is so...otherwise that is also..lazy.
Also if that is the most idiotic thing you have seen on here then you haven't delved deep enough I can assure you. Perhaps you should reserve your generous praise after conducting further research.
The Internet football fan eh? I don't even know what to think when I read some of this shit.
Young and exciting player is signed. They still moan. Wankers.
Young and exciting player is signed. They still moan. Wankers.
good post there NinjaFletch
Commadus' opinion on RVP .... what the feck ...
Who the feck is VPS?
How was Hargo a bad signing? How were his injuries Fergie's faults?
Young is a bad player?
Ando? He is still here and injuries have been his problem not talent. How is that a bad signing?
How was Hargo a bad signing? How were his injuries Fergie's faults?
Young is a bad player?
Ando? He is still here and injuries have been his problem not talent. How is that a bad signing?
Smalling has a lot to prove yet. Ronaldo was a world record fee for a teenager at the time so the ambition was clear. Its nothing to do with being "exotic enough" you have totally misjudged my mood as you consistently seem to do. I suggested the transfer was lazy (maybe not the best adjective...uninspired maybe) and I suppose I mean in its scope and depth, it was easy to punt £15 million and trust he will develop. United obviously have a bucketload of capital to throw at these deals. I further acknowledged that it may well prove to be a success, I'm perfectly happy with Ferguson's judgement. The lad obviously has some very raw attributes.
It just surprised me the amount of money was involved, considering Liverpool just snagged Coutinho for a fair bit less. Tom Ince is being quoted at around the £6 million mark and that seems more akin with the moneyball approach to player investment. He also seems the more rounded player, more variation and end product. Ferguson is always waxing lyrical about value in the market so in that context Zaha should develop into a very fine player to repay the initial outlay.
I seriously doubt Valencia, Nani or Young can rest easy as I expect more delving into the market for this prototype of player in the near future. The form of all three has been a concern all season, although to be fair to Nani he has spent a large chunk of it on the sidelines.
Henriquez and Powell and great buys but RVP and Young are bad ones.
...oookay buddy.
...oookay buddy.
It's Cosmit, so just... Okay.
And why on Earth do I need to give a detailed reply? If a little kid came up to me and said his poo is red, I wouldn't give him a detailed reason why he was wrong because it would be obvious he was wrong and it wouldn't need further comment.
You are like the kid who thinks his poo is red.
I've only seen him play live against United, and I was quite impressed. I don't know how far he has come since then, but for me he looks like he has all the raw strengths. Quick, skillful and good with the ball. He also seems quite tall which is another strength and Fergie obviously rates him. I am very excited to see what he can do for us next season.
He was probably suffering from hematochezia and turned to an adult cause he was scared and in pain, jerk.
I'm really excited about this signing. Was talking to a palace fan yesterday and he was telling me that he's a skillful player, also reckons he's better than Oxade Chamberlain.
Also why was someone saying we need to sign more players like Nani,.what a load. I'm a big fan of Nani but he is still hot and cold, Zaha has shown his ambition considering all these agents have been trying to dig themselves into the deal, cnuts.
Also why was someone saying we need to sign more players like Nani,.what a load. I'm a big fan of Nani but he is still hot and cold, Zaha has shown his ambition considering all these agents have been trying to dig themselves into the deal, cnuts.
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