You could argue actually that Ferguson saw him as a 'too-good-to-get-away-talent' and thus justified the signing on not letting anyone else get their hands on him. Similar to the Smalling and Jones signings - not completely necessary but you don't want others picking them up.
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No more "longlivezaha" ?
At the very least he did the right thing taking it down and clarifying his point. We'll never know if it was a dig at Moyes
Fair enough. My later post presents another line of thought.
Nope, you're quite right, al, it was December. So I'll revise my initial answer to "feck knows".
This look to me like when Blatter posted a photo with the chairman of South Africa FA in order to prove that he is not racist (when was accused for it).
Probably just another victim of crossed wires between Sir Alex and Moyes. Sir Alex thinks Zaha is a quality young winger, Moyes thinks hes not Antonio Valencia. Fergie thought Rooney's time was up, Moyes thinks hes the next captain
I dont think so Wilf.
This sort of thing is at Spurs kind of level, are we really that far gone?
Probably the start of the slippery slope for Moyes
This sort of thing is at Spurs kind of level, are we really that far gone?
Probably the start of the slippery slope for Moyes
Zaha needs to get off social media. First the Moyes' daughter rumours that he felt the need to address twice now this...
He played against Norwich in the league cup, but we have such a huge squad and the emergence of Januzaj meant the likes of Young, Nani and Kagawa needing game time in those competitions too. I agree, I don't know why he was signed, because I don't think he's good enough, I didn't think he was good enough when I saw Wayne Bridge having him in his pocket last season, I didn't think he was good enough when he was downright awful for the U21's in the summer, I didn't even think he was good enough when everyone was going mental over him going past 40 year old left backs in pre-season. Does he have talent? Yes, but he isn't talented enough to think him not starting for the Champions is some sort of David Moyes conspiracy, he just isn't good enough to be starting, it really is that simple.
I respect your view. The move essentially came too early for him and should hopefully serve as a lesson to young players not to jump at going to a big club too soon(fat chance).
If he'd stayed for one more year with Palace in the PL, he'd have gained huge experience and then maybe he could have got his move. This was a bad idea.
He wasnt the best player in pre season.
I feel sorry for him too, especially due to it being World Cup year as he would have had a chance of going if he had done well. I think he should have been given some chances or gone on loan. But he is still employed by our club and he just can't do stuff like that. It's really stupid of him and makes him look incredibly unprofessional.
That was probably the big mistake. As you say another year getting PL experience with Palace would have done him the world of good. For some reason the club didn't want him going back to London. We don't know what his family/personal life is like. It could be another Ravel Morrison situation. Bad influences in his life.
Its true Wilfried Zaha is not good enough to be starting for us. Neither are Valencia or Young, the second of which we should clearly have sacrificed to give Zaha his chance. Why keep average older players happy? Let the young lad have a run out and the seasoned pro needs to buck his ideas up if he wants a kick for us. Ashley Young won the competition for the place because he's Ashley Young not because he's convincing and better than Zaha with a run of games. We dont know how Zaha would have done with that run because he didnt get it like Valencia and Young get every season. Sometimes young players surprise you or so I hear.
Having said that there are clearly areas that Zaha can improve on. But I'm yet to see anything that I havent seen from Young and Valencia in the past year. They've had games when they've not tracked back well enough and/or given the ball away in their own half too. It doesn't seem like they are held accountable for it though
Having said that there are clearly areas that Zaha can improve on. But I'm yet to see anything that I havent seen from Young and Valencia in the past year. They've had games when they've not tracked back well enough and/or given the ball away in their own half too. It doesn't seem like they are held accountable for it though
I thought Lingard was.
Another clown at the circus
Agreed.
Who was then?
Of course it was a dig at Moyes, otherwise he wouldn't have felt the guilty need of deleting his post.
Back-tracking like a fool now.
Back-tracking like a fool now.
Fergie made many questionable signings in his later years. More bad than good.
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He took it down because people took it the wrong way and tried to make a big deal out of it. Whats he supposed to do, answer all the replies in block capitals?
Valencia and Young were SAF signings. The 'We need a midfielder, so I'll sign another winger' sort of signings.
Hindsight is always helpful, but Moyes really should have sent Zaha on loan at the beginning of the season. And it's not as though that's an idea that suddenly fashionable. There was a lot of talk in the British media about Zaha being loaned back to Palace, for whatever reason Moyes chose to let him rot on the bench at Old Trafford.
No one here has gotten carried away with Zaha but his potential to be a footballer who can make a big impact is there for all to see. The operative word is "potential"; sometimes, footballers with potential just don't pan out and sometimes players who seem to have no potential end up having a successful career. Zaha is the kind of player, like most others, who just need to play. Whether at Palace or Cardiff or wherever, just let the boy play somewhere. If he went tits up on loan then Moyes then that would be that.
What a mare of a manager we're stuck with.
No one here has gotten carried away with Zaha but his potential to be a footballer who can make a big impact is there for all to see. The operative word is "potential"; sometimes, footballers with potential just don't pan out and sometimes players who seem to have no potential end up having a successful career. Zaha is the kind of player, like most others, who just need to play. Whether at Palace or Cardiff or wherever, just let the boy play somewhere. If he went tits up on loan then Moyes then that would be that.
What a mare of a manager we're stuck with.
Well I'm not really talking about their signings, although Young's was perhaps one of the worst I've ever seen. Regardless, I'm talking about now or going into the season.
You have a bunch of wingers, at least 2 of which who have been poor and you have a £15 million signing of whats considered to be one of the best young English players around. The obvious thing to do is make way, get rid of someone who isnt performing to the expected level and give the expensive signing a chance. If he's rubbish for half a season send him out on loan and hope he comes back a better player. Instead we played average players knowing they'd be average and have no idea what Zaha might bring to the table after a run of games. It might turn out after 4 or 5 games on the bounce for Cardiff that he's a terrible player. But we dont know that yet.
He should have been loaned, yes. He might have actually started the season expecting to us him. We don't see training, maybe he wasn't putting the effort in.
Zaha was kept with us to learn about being a Man United player..adapt to the training and the levels expected of him. I would imagine the plan would have been to give him more game time but the poor results made it harder so he's gone on loan. If you could see through the 'moyes hate haze' you might be able to see the situation objectively.
Get lost Moyes.... He doesn't know how to handle players. I can't remember SAF having player outburst... Was Nani on social media last year. There will be more sly comments. I hope we give RVP the same venomous treatment if he says something similar in the summer.
Perhaps, but all you can fall back on pure speculation that Zaha must have been dogging it in training. That may well be the case but if you're going to fall back on pure speculation the anyone else's speculation is fair game too. And in this particular situation, Moyes/Zaha, there are alternative bits of speculation making the rounds that are equally plausible to the "Zaha was shit in training" theory.
What we do know is that our three other experienced wingers -- Valencia, Yound and Nani -- have either looked poor or been injured this season so we at least know the opening was there for Moyes to give Zaha a shot at playing time. To Moyes's great credit, he did give Januzaj a shot and it turned out to be a fantastic decision. But there have been plenty of games where the other winger looked dire yet Moyes refused to give Zaha a shot.
Fine, don't give Zaha time on the pitch for whatever good reason. But at least let Zaha acquire the skills and experience he needs with another club, skills and experience he just could never get in training.
I've not mentioned the speculation at all? I can actually point to real quotes re the training if that helps?
'However, Neville believes any new signing will take time to get used to life at the club, and insists the England Under-21 man is experiencing just what some United stalwarts have, earlier in their careers.
He told the Guardian: "Wilf is a diamond. People say: 'Why is he not playing?' But we're seeing the same with Marouane Fellaini and we've seen it with Nemanja Vidic and Patrice Evra in the past.
"The first six months, forget the games. Just being a Manchester United footballer, the intensity of training, the expectation, it's really hard. It blows you away."
That's what he's been learning, now he gets the rest of the season to prove that he can become a first teamer. I see no downside.
Moyes manages to get criticized when a player acts unprofessionally towards him.
I'm done.
I'm done.
Zaha to the world cup? Was he seriously in contention? He's got a long way to go in my eyes or it just shows the quality of England's squad, one for the future surely but not this year. I remember him playing in a friendly but not in a competitive match under Hodgson, he'd have had to do pretty well to just get straight in.
Sure he hasn't had many minutes but how many league appearances was he going to get when the players ahead of him were part of a championship winning team? He should've played more in the league cup but Moyes probably played a strong team (due to the results) and we didn't get far in the FA Cup either.
We'd slaughter him for playing an inexperienced winger in the league when we lost anyway!
Moyes can't win, literally.
Sure he hasn't had many minutes but how many league appearances was he going to get when the players ahead of him were part of a championship winning team? He should've played more in the league cup but Moyes probably played a strong team (due to the results) and we didn't get far in the FA Cup either.
We'd slaughter him for playing an inexperienced winger in the league when we lost anyway!
Moyes can't win, literally.
Scores 12 goals in 3 years at Palace and thinks he's a superstar. Twat.
I can see that side of it, but this isn't the way to handle it. He needs to shut up and get on with it.
Being openly critical of your boss using social media is unprofessional and out of order.If I was Ole I would kick him out of Cardiff.He'll be on the footballing scrap heap before long.
This has been a two-way street for months, Moyes has hardly been subtle or discreet with some of his media statements and we are now seeing the players return the favour. It is an undi8gnified mess.
Hernandez is no troublemaker yet even he has chosen to speak out, the story here is not some social media posting but what all of these things say about the spirit of the team right now. In difficult times you should at least have some unity but it would appear that we lack even that fundamental component for success.
In the past you would have had SAF taking on a sort of parental role here so as to keep a young player on track, however Moyes and Zaha don't appear to have the mutual respect to pursue that avenue at present.
Hernandez is no troublemaker yet even he has chosen to speak out, the story here is not some social media posting but what all of these things say about the spirit of the team right now. In difficult times you should at least have some unity but it would appear that we lack even that fundamental component for success.
In the past you would have had SAF taking on a sort of parental role here so as to keep a young player on track, however Moyes and Zaha don't appear to have the mutual respect to pursue that avenue at present.
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He's clearly an emotional lad, and that's part of why he's been sent out on loan- to grow up a bit
Zaha is quality and if Fergie had been around would have bright him along fine.
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