In games where we play an incredibly shite, defensively inept old winger who thinks it's his job to win throw ins and corners i.e Valencia.
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In games where we play an incredibly shite, defensively inept old winger who thinks it's his job to win throw ins and corners i.e Valencia.
Valencia is defensively inept and incredibly shite then.
Jesus, I'm out.
Jesus, I'm out.
Initially i think it stems from Zaha being too unpredictable on the pitch for Moyes' liking, perhaps a little higher maintenance in training too. As time progressed i think the player-manager relationship suffered through a growing and mutual loss of confidence.
It is probable that when Fergie signed Wilf he created certain expectations, if these were first team appearances which later failed to materialise this is bound to be a source of tension.
No, Valencia is an incredible winger and the standard all our young wingers should aspire to reach.
Yes clearly, a player either has to be incredibly shite or be incredible. No other middle ground. Well done again.
I think that's what happened. It's clear that Moyes from his limited appearances and training ground performances doesn't trust Wilf so much. Wilf has a chance to prove Moyes wrong with his loan move to Cardiff, let's hope he does it.
He's clearly been the former but keep on burying your head in the sand if that's what you want.
Aye ok and you keep on acting like a drama queen over our apparent terrible handling of Zaha.
I have to go back to the point that Moyes and his coaches are the only ones who know what Zaha did and didn't show in training. Clearly he didn't show them enough to warrant being played. Was Moyes supposed to play him just so people on here could judge for themselves?
What he did last year in the Championship is completely irrelevant to being at Manchester United. Fergie may have bought him on the basis of perceived potential if he improved, we don't know.
As I've said before, if he doesn't show Moyes the improvement he's looking for in his time at Cardiff we may never see him in a Man Utd shirt again.
Could you see him getting a game for Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal?
What he did last year in the Championship is completely irrelevant to being at Manchester United. Fergie may have bought him on the basis of perceived potential if he improved, we don't know.
As I've said before, if he doesn't show Moyes the improvement he's looking for in his time at Cardiff we may never see him in a Man Utd shirt again.
Could you see him getting a game for Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal?
Yep, I have definitely said we handled Zaha 'terribly'. One would think mods would know better to make up things in order to get their point across. Apparently not...Neither would half our team right now in fairness. I am saying Zaha should have gotten sub appearances and maybe a start or two in the league cup, not that he should have been permanent fixture in the starting 11. Moyes says one of the reasons Zaha didn't get playing time was the number of options we had in the wide areas, which is a completely fair, but in such a scenario he should have been loaned out immediately.
Sorry you said very poorly instead of terribly. Big difference, apologies.
I also said retracted that and said this:
So you you can be bothered to go back a week for quotes but ignore the very recent ones. Got ya!
And yet you said in the very next post, that somehow we've lowered his confidence.
Anyway not interested in furthering this argument. You can keep on acting like a drama queen over the way we've handled Zaha.
Anyway not interested in furthering this argument. You can keep on acting like a drama queen over the way we've handled Zaha.
...and I am the one being a drama queen
Moyes probably thinks that Zaha said he's the best player in the world after Ronaldo and Messi and is trying to bring him down a peg. Stupid Moyes.
In all seriousness, Zaha is clearly a greedy player with the ball and that needs to be toned down.
He needs to learn that he doesn't need to prove anything beyond that he's capable of being a first team winger for United. The way to do that is to play with maturity, not to beat the same fullback 4 times in one move- then losing the ball easily the next time. I know that Valencia is a fairly mediocre winger creatively, but Zaha could learn the basics of wing play from him- Valencia rarely loses the ball until he crosses it. Same with Young- security in possession is important.
Januzaj took his 'young an lernin' place in the first team squad rotation, unfortunately for him.
In all seriousness, Zaha is clearly a greedy player with the ball and that needs to be toned down.
He needs to learn that he doesn't need to prove anything beyond that he's capable of being a first team winger for United. The way to do that is to play with maturity, not to beat the same fullback 4 times in one move- then losing the ball easily the next time. I know that Valencia is a fairly mediocre winger creatively, but Zaha could learn the basics of wing play from him- Valencia rarely loses the ball until he crosses it. Same with Young- security in possession is important.
Januzaj took his 'young an lernin' place in the first team squad rotation, unfortunately for him.
Pretty much suffers from the same syndrome that Kagawa, Nani, Fabio suffered here before, he's better player the less he plays.
I'm with KM on this one and I've been saying that previously. He's doing a lot of tricks and fancy stuff that we miss but he's got very small footbaling brain and very little end product. Watched him in Cardiff matches that he's played in, first one he's got brilliant assist but bar that he's been keeping the ball for too long, yesterday he's been keeping it for too long, lost possession too many times and done very little, very frustrating to watch at times. He doesn't really impress me so far in, maybe that will change with some consistency of matches given and age, but I imagine he couldn't 'out-impress' such players as Young or Valencia in the training and he's got himself to blame, as both are rather average/shite ( respectively ). He's done very little in defending too and he will have to learn that before coming here.
That loan will do good to both parties.
I'm with KM on this one and I've been saying that previously. He's doing a lot of tricks and fancy stuff that we miss but he's got very small footbaling brain and very little end product. Watched him in Cardiff matches that he's played in, first one he's got brilliant assist but bar that he's been keeping the ball for too long, yesterday he's been keeping it for too long, lost possession too many times and done very little, very frustrating to watch at times. He doesn't really impress me so far in, maybe that will change with some consistency of matches given and age, but I imagine he couldn't 'out-impress' such players as Young or Valencia in the training and he's got himself to blame, as both are rather average/shite ( respectively ). He's done very little in defending too and he will have to learn that before coming here.
That loan will do good to both parties.
In the nicest possible way, you're full of shite
Lets be deadly serious out of our squad at the moment, one hand counts all of our squad to be included in your last statement.
If that is the case then it was incredibly stupid as I'm sure SAF knew he was leaving at the end of the season, and on that basis had no place making promises to anyone regarding playing time.
What a fecking prat.
Amazing. Moyes really needs to show a pair of bollocks now at this stage. I don't want him as manager but I've accepted the club are going to persist with him for better or worse. We can't have our player's taking subtle digs at him over social media like this. Hope he hangs them up to dry to be honest.
So in the space of a week we have Anderson, Rio, Vidic, Hernandez and now Zaha coming out with different things through social media and other stuff. Not good
This is going to be good
What did Rio say?
Just what we need, thanks Wilf.
and scratching his bollocks at the same time......bloody disgraceful.....
Well he's called them all mentally weak so I guess it's even.
Championship player anyway.
All these years of everything being kept in house, the way the players are openly taking shots at Moyes just adds to the general sense of collapse and yet the Glazers wont act.
Moyes has lost the dressing room. Its obvious. Has been for awhile now. Its just that the frustration has reached levels where the players can't even be bothered to hide it anymore.
Moyes will regret that more than the players. They might play for themselves after hearing that but they wont play for Moyes.
Amazing that players feel that taking to social media outlets with crap like this will lead to any sort of positive for anyone involved.
He's got torrent of abuse and seems to have removed the caption, pathetic nonetheless, and some people were asking why he's not playing for us.
He has to grow up first, grow a pair and get a fecking grip.
He has to grow up first, grow a pair and get a fecking grip.
Long live Zaha ahaha hahahah
Don't worry lads, I've sent him an angry tweet to him. That should sort him out.
Inexcusable shit from some players. You might not agree with it but keep it behind closed doors. I hope this doesn't turn out to be an 'AVB Chelsea' situation.
FFS what a prick.
Sly dig at a manger under pressure.
Sly dig at a manger under pressure.
Think it already has long ago to be honest. Moyes hasn't helped himself either by making his criticisms direct and public as well.
In Zaha's case, I reckon he has been told he won't be back next summer so he obviously doesn't have anything to really care about in regards to Moyes.
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