He's had one or two decent runs. Showed some immaturity with his decisions. Neither awful or good for me so far in an even game.
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I think hes done well actually considering hes playing off the left. Think hes helped the LB a few times which is good to see. Hes had some good runs and created space. Think he links with Bellamy well.
He needs to show more than tricky dribbling. His end product and decision making (football brain) definitely need work.
Lost the ball a few times in his own half but dangerous on the break
I can totally see why Moyes wouldn't like him from this match. He almost needs to be played as a striker, because otherwise he's walking around the pitch and not getting involved, you're defending a man down with him.
But, when he gets the ball he does look dangerous. Cardiff aren't really using him enough.
On a side note, Fabio has been brilliant. Looks every bit the premier league full back on the right. About 427x better than Smalling or Jones out there. Who'd of thought playing a full back at full back would work well?
Edit: Fabio just brain-farted and let in the first Swansea goal. Sigh.
But, when he gets the ball he does look dangerous. Cardiff aren't really using him enough.
On a side note, Fabio has been brilliant. Looks every bit the premier league full back on the right. About 427x better than Smalling or Jones out there. Who'd of thought playing a full back at full back would work well?
Edit: Fabio just brain-farted and let in the first Swansea goal. Sigh.
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He looks like HIM, doesn't he...
Needs to work harder off the ball, defensively and offensively, talent's there and the experience will come.
Agreed.If anyone knows what it takes to make it at Utd it's OGS. Zaha will have ups and downs there but if he's sensible will come back a better player
I can see why he didn't play for us. He needs to improve so many aspects of his game.
Faded out in the 2nd half
If Young or Valencia put in exactly the same performance in a United shirt, they'd get slaughtered on here.
I think Zaha will probably go on to be better than both, but he really showed some inexperience today and lost the ball in some dangerous areas. Could be a good option coming off the bench next season, if he works on his decision making.
I think Zaha will probably go on to be better than both, but he really showed some inexperience today and lost the ball in some dangerous areas. Could be a good option coming off the bench next season, if he works on his decision making.
From the powerpuff girls?
Exactly my thoughts.....
Probably because they've played more than about 80 minutes this season and they're not 21 in their first year in the league.
Young and Valencia were cutting their teeth with lower league sides as well.They needed time and Zaha does too. No need to be slaughtered
If you look at the situation from Moyes point of view, its really not hard to see why he loaned him out. It's been a disaster of a first season, so much so that even if we win every game from now till the end of the season, we could still miss 4th. As a result of this, Moyes has to constantly choose the most reliable players he's got who he thinks will and should win games for him. Zaha today showed a few glimpses of some good stuff, especially in the first half, but for a new manager who is expected to win everything and is slaughtered when he losses, he just cannot afford to play a 20 year old whose never played in the league before.
Loaning him out was the best option for everyone. Moyes wanted to give him game time but couldn't and Zaha needed to progress.
Loaning him out was the best option for everyone. Moyes wanted to give him game time but couldn't and Zaha needed to progress.
His off the ball movement seems quite poor, I'm only watching on television but I don't think he made a run in behind the full back once, and thinking back to when I watched him at Palace I can't remember him doing it then either. He just seems to spend the whole match in the same zone in front of the fullback waiting for the ball to come to him. When he has the ball he does look dangerous, although he is very sloppy at times, particularly in his own half where he does have a tendency to give the ball away in dangerous areas. He's also pretty poor defensively. Anyone who thinks he's currently better than Young or Valencia is deluding themselves, and considering the consensus is neither of them are good enough for us I'd say Zaha has to improve a considerable amount to forge a successful career here. Hopefully this loan spell will bring him on a lot, he does have some very good attributes.
Choosing when to put a youngster into the first team is an art form. Put a youngster into a team that is playing poorly and not getting results and you can damage their confidence beyond any hope of repair, start treating an immature youngster like a superstar and you can end up with an ego monster, play a kid too much and you can end up with a burnt out wreck. The only people who can justifiably make that decisions are the people that see him day in day out.
Does he feck. I'm not sure where you're looking mate but Zaha is black.
I honestly thought he was terrible but then again what did I expect from a player who's barely played all season.
Conversely, maybe he hasn't played all season because he's terrible. Moyes and his coaches will know more than anyone in this forum about that so I trust their judgment.
Considering he was the championship player of the year last year (or in team of the year, I forget), carrying palace to promotion at such a young age, leading SAF to buy him for £15 million, I'd say you're completely wrong here. I know who's judgement I'd trust when it comes to moyes or sir Alex.
For what it's worth, I think he should have got loaned out at the start of the season back to palace as he wasn't ready to play at united, but since we kept him we should have gave him more chances. What we did benefitted nobody.
I see a pattern here. Some are slowly convincing themselves that he's actually a terrible player in order to deflect blame away from the club. Zaha might actually be a shite player, maybe even as bad as Obertan, but let's not forget even Obertan got more chances than Zaha did and that was when our wingers were actually good.
This.
Maybe you thought I meant it as Moyes was wrong t send on loan but I didn't. Just said that Zaha had valid reasons to not play that well yesterday and that it would take more time to properly judge him, I don't blindly trust Moyes and his coaches and that despite the fact they do know a lot more than us.
I see the exact opposite thing. Some are slowly convincing that he's ready for Man Utd in order to blame the club more.
He's talented but he's clearly not ready, and that much was obvious in his appearances here. Maybe he should've got more appearances but I don't think we've treated him too badly.
Zaha got very limited chances over a 6 month period. That's not exactly a very long time. The melodrama would have you believe that he's been made to rot for years.
None of us know if he's ready or not because Moyes never gave him the chance to show what he could do and instead chose to stick with our misfiring wingers.
There's no melodrama. I'm just saying the club could have handled the whole thing a lot better and way it was done benefited neither the club nor the player.
Agree with all of that. Great when he's on the ball. Not good at all when he's not.
No harm holding on to him for 6 months to get a feel for the level of commitment needed in training. Apparently he got special treatment at Palace, allowed to slack off because he was so important to them. He really needs this loan move now though. Still has a ton of work to do before he can get games at United.
Do you really need someone to spell out the difference between what was going on at United when we could afford to give Obertan games and what's been going on so far this season?
Ah yes, the same Moyes who gave the chance to a younger, less established winger/attacking midfielder this season refused to give a chance to Wilfried Zaha just because he didn't like him rather than not liking his effort in the training or something. Makes sense.
The point is flippin obvious. We can all say Obertan was shite as he got games and wasn't upto it and most importantly we had wingers who were twice as good as him.
Saying Zaha is terrible and not ready when he got a grand total of 81 minutes in the league is ridiculous.
Where in that post have I said any of that? Moyes has not given Zaha chances to prove how good/bad he is. That's an irrefutable fact no matter how you want to twist it.
Nope, not in the way I see it. He got 6 months in training to prove he deserves more chances which he presumably didn't take. Now compare that with Januzaj who forced his selection apparently based on his training ground performances alone.
Where in that post have I said any of that? Moyes has not given Zaha chances to prove how good/bad he is. That's an irrefutable fact no matter how you want to twist it.
Zaha's level of readiness would surely have been greater if deployed earlier on in the season [nearer to when he was regularly playing competitive football], as well as the pressure upon Moyes being less during that time period. Leaving a previously active player in the wilderness for months is nto going ot be conducive to producing instant result 4-6 months down the line.
Where in that post have I said any of that? Moyes has not given Zaha chances to prove how good/bad he is. That's an irrefutable fact no matter how you want to twist it.
So why do you the reason behind it then?
Januzaj's introduction means that Moyes isn't afraid of throwing in youngsters. Moyes sees him in training every day, and thus in a better position to judge his talent and readiness. Same type of "ZOMG MOYES NOT GIVING A CHANCE" was being written about Fabio here. Well guess what, two matches in and the Cardiff fans already want him dropped.
So you do need it spelled out to you. Feck. I'm on my phone so would rather not.
Maybe I can try another question? In what games this season could moyes afford to risk playing an incredibly raw, defensively inept young winger who is prone to losing the ball in dangerous areas of the pitch?
Who knows, but the fact that he hasn't been given a chance is true nonetheless. If he ends up not even getting a chance because we stuck with our misfiring wingers then it's poor from the club.
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