Why isn't FC United in the Football Forum?

WeasteDevil said:
Sorry, I would have hoped your loyalty was better than this.

If you want to support this farce, why the hell are you still here?

It's a joke! A new club set up by a few so called United fans that spit their dummies out of their prams when they can't get their way (probably the same twats that wanted SAF sacked), that has nothing to do with Manchester United Football Club, its history, its traditions, nothing.

I've no time for any of you.
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Don't question my loyalty Weastie. This is the same Weastie I bump into in the chat room on match days?
So I should leave here if I support the birth of FCU? How strange. You'd be staying then? Can't have that. There'd be no one to tell you to shut the feck up.
Leave those who are taking action to their cause. Its a just cause and meant to eventually make things better for you and me. FCU was a joke to begin with but its now a reality. Like Glazer. Things like FCU grow and leeches like Glazer shrivel up so we might yet all meet on an even playing field.
And I've not seen more spitting of dummies than this post you just made, in a long time. Had to chuckle at the irony.
 
Ern said:
Agreed. But it's the quality of the degree that counts and I can't really quantify that on an internet forum. Besides, I've plenty of education about life, the universe and everything - it would take me forever to explain to you what exactly I meant.
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The reality of it is that no one has a clue who we are talking to on a board like this. When you think about it I could actually be Malcolm Glazer. We could be anyone, but don't let 'that lot' goad you. Keep posting sense and you will be fine. :D
 
zippy said:
Certainly made more sense to me
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Well, it makes more sense than taking 127 years of history, ripping it all up, and then sticking it in the bin because some people can't stand being around for a few years with an Edwards that happens to be American in charge.

The people that are doing this are those that start burning the flag of the USA in protest to the Glazer takeoever. That's odd.
 
RedCanuck said:
The reality of it is that no one has a clue who we are talking to on a board like this. When you think about it I could actually be Malcolm Glazer. We could be anyone, but don't let 'that lot' goad you. Keep posting sense and you will be fine. :D
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I'm Micky Mouse
 
zippy said:
The nice thing Weasty, is that you dont have to be part of it or give anyone any of your time or money and most FC United fans will respect your choice.

You should respect their choice in return.
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Oh, wot you said...anytime someone displays any dissent with the thugs at SU & IMUSA you get all up in their grill Zip. Stinks of hypocrisy to me.
 
BahamaRed said:
Leave those who are taking action to their cause. Its a just cause and meant to eventually make things better for you and me.
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How is it going to do that?

It will not go anywhere, will not effect the Glazers at all, and most of the initiall 3000 will be back within 3 years. Even if it continues, in this day and age, it will never get to the position where it can even play against Manchester United. If it did, who would these people support? :wenger:

It's a madness and a betrayal!
 
WeasteDevil said:
Well, it makes more sense than taking 127 years of history, ripping it all up, and then sticking it in the bin because some people can't stand being around for a few years with an Edwards that happens to be American in charge.

The people that are doing this are those that start burning the flag of the USA in protest to the Glazer takeoever. That's odd.
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That's a lot of flags they burned then. I only saw one. The others must have been off camera.
And where do you get all this shit about those supporting FCU are throwing the 127 years of tradition out of the window. Every single one of them will be back. Not a one is giving up United for good. They're on a mission. And good luck to them (us).
 
BahamaRed said:
Every single one of them will be back. Not a one is giving up United for good. They're on a mission. And good luck to them (us).
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On a mission to do what?
 
RedCanuck said:
Oh, wot you said...anytime someone displays any dissent with the thugs at SU & IMUSA you get all up in their grill Zip. Stinks of hypocrisy to me.
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You're a fkn wanker mate. SU and IMUSA are thugs? You're really showing your true self. Up and at em zip!
 
WeasteDevil said:
How is it going to do that?

It will not go anywhere, will not effect the Glazers at all, and most of the initiall 3000 will be back within 3 years. Even if it continues, in this day and age, it will never get to the position where it can even play against Manchester United. If it did, who would these people support? :wenger:

It's a madness and a betrayal!
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Why are you so caught up with the "what if they ever play against United" thing. That's about 10 years away at best. Don't you understand that these guys want to start up this club to get back to enjoying going to football games with a group of similar minded people not just to piss off Glazer. Just like no one thought this would ever get off the ground so it will grow. Leave it. Stay with just supporting United. Othersd will be doing both. It really doesn't affect anyone not living in Manchester. Those away can dtill watch all the big United on TV and just ignore the other United. Can't see the problem. Why should you worry about what other people do. Unless you're Malcolm Glazer of course. Have my suspicions.
 
RedCanuck said:
Oh, wot you said...anytime someone displays any dissent with the thugs at SU & IMUSA you get all up in their grill Zip. Stinks of hypocrisy to me.
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Well the problems only arise when people do things like try to disassociate FC United with Man Utd by asking for posts to be moved and stuff - One is a direct result of the other and the two go hand in hand. It just seems that sometimes there are some agendas being pushed with more sinister motives from the Anti-FCUM side wheras on the FCUM side you really only see more of a defensive stance; for instance we havent seen anyone from the FCUM side demand that all non-FC United posts get put in the football forum because there tainted by being the 'glazer version' of united...
 
WeasteDevil said:
On a mission to do what?
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On a mission to enjoy football again
On a mission to piss off Glazer
On a mission to draw funds from MU to bring about the downfall of the leechmaster
On a mission to show that you can buy the club but you can't buy the fans
On a mission to rescue our club
On a mission to raise the funds we will need to get our club back
On a mission to show the world that we are Manchester boys, la la la
 
zippy said:
Well the problems only arise when people do things like try to disassociate FC United with Man Utd by asking for posts to be moved and stuff - One is a direct result of the other and the two go hand in hand. It just seems that sometimes there are some agendas being pushed with more sinister motives from the Anti-FCUM side wheras on the FCUM side you really only see more of a defensive stance; for instance we havent seen anyone from the FCUM side demand that all non-FC United posts get put in the football forum because there tainted by being the 'glazer version' of united...
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I haven't asked for the threads to be moved that I can remember. I do know that the reaction from many of the FCUM supporters has been quite hostile if I even question the move away from MUFC.
As for sinister motives, I would take a closer look at the agenda of SU if I were you. I won't bother to rub your nose in all of the hostile, and at times offensive, stick I have received from FCUM supporters. I'm willing to give and take if its done with a sense of humour but some of those cnuts can be quite offensive.
The Caf is a Manchester United forum. Why would it change because of a small minority?
 
BahamaRed said:
On a mission to enjoy football again
On a mission to piss off Glazer
On a mission to draw funds from MU to bring about the downfall of the leechmaster
On a mission to show that you can buy the club but you can't buy the fans
On a mission to rescue our club
On a mission to raise the funds we will need to get our club back
On a mission to show the world that we are Manchester boys, la la la
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On a mission to get Manchester United kicked out of Europe.
On a mission to cause the sale of the ground.
On a mission to cause the sale of the stadium naming rights.
 
BahamaRed said:
Why should you worry about what other people do. Unless you're Malcolm Glazer of course. Have my suspicions.
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I'll ignore the last sentence, as it isn't worth the words.

Why? It's the principle of the thing. You can get together and go and watch Droylesden FC (formed in 1892) and get the same thing. Because, if they want to do this to piss Glazer off, it isn't going to work.

As for only affecting people in Manchester, I'm sat in Manchester right now.
 
RedCanuck said:
On a mission to get Manchester United kicked out of Europe.
On a mission to cause the sale of the ground.
On a mission to cause the sale of the stadium naming rights.
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Whatever we have to go through to get Glazer out.
 
BahamaRed said:
On a mission to enjoy football again - Eh? Didn't they do that under Edwards and the PLC?
On a mission to piss off Glazer - Won't do anything to hurt him.
On a mission to draw funds from MU to bring about the downfall of the leechmaster - Wont do that.
On a mission to show that you can buy the club but you can't buy the fans - He's shitting himself I'm sure.
On a mission to rescue our club - Isn't going to change a thing.
On a mission to raise the funds we will need to get our club back - Will not get anywhere near it, and he wont sell if he doesn't want to.
On a mission to show the world that we are Manchester boys, la la la - The Club hasn't been based in Manchester for 103 years
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Romantic deluded bullshit!
 
RedCanuck said:
On a mission to destroy 127 years of what has been built.
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It wont do that. The problem lies in the fact that some of them want that to happen. :wenger:
 
WeasteDevil said:
It wont do that. The problem lies in the fact that some of them want that to happen. :wenger:
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Yup, makes me want to cry. I'm much happier laughing at the Goons or 'pool, not enjoying this. :(
 
WeasteDevil said:
And none of this will do that!
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Weastie knows all! All hail to Weastie!
At least there are some willing to try. This is only the beginning. From small acorns do large trees grow. All this will evolve.
 
BahamaRed said:
That's already been destroyed. Today actually makes it official. Some of us will fight to ressurect it. Like the Phoenix!
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rising from Arizona? Manchester United has been built into the biggest sporting club in the world, and you want to tear it down.
 
BahamaRed said:
Weastie knows all! All hail to Weastie!
At least there are some willing to try. This is only the beginning. From small acorns do large trees grow. All this will evolve.
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It would need more manure than even you could provide Bahama.
 
BahamaRed said:
Weastie knows all! All hail to Weastie!
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What are you on about! It just doesn't make any sense.

Nobody has actually come up with any reasoned argument regarding how this is going to achieve anything.

It's alright producing lists of what it is going to do, how about taking each of your points and trying to explain how they are going to do what you say they are going to do?

It's emotional, romantic, pipe dreaming. Bit like a government integrated transport policy.
 
RedCanuck said:
rising from Arizona? Manchester United has been built into the biggest sporting club in the world, and you want to tear it down.
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Now why would we want to do that? We just want to injure it a little and scare it off. And as for being the biggest club in the world who gives a shit about that. Many of us have been supporting them, standing in the rain at OT before it was even fully covered. It's status is not important to us. It's being is at issue here.
 
He he he. They all go on about how they think a successful businessman's plans for the club are not going to work because "they don't make sense".

I suggest that they look at their own business/stategic plan, then look in the mirror.
 
WeasteDevil said:
What are you on about! It just doesn't make any sense.

Nobody has actually come up with any reasoned argument regarding how this is going to achieve anything.

It's alright producing lists of what it is going to do, how about taking each of your points and trying to explain how they are going to do what you say they are going to do?

It's emotional, romantic, pipe dreaming. Bit like a government integrated transport policy.
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Ohh, that's a good point Weastie.
Weastie knows all! All hail to Weastie!
 
BahamaRed said:
Now why would we want to do that? We just want to injure it a little and scare it off. And as for being the biggest club in the world who gives a shit about that. Many of us have been supporting them, standing in the rain at OT before it was even fully covered. It's status is not important to us. It's being is at issue here.
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I don't doubt your motives Bahama, but I just don't see how any of this SU plan works. It makes no sense and its very frustrating to listen to it. I think we're all nervous about the Glazer takeover but the SU way is definately not the way.
 
WeasteDevil said:
It's emotional, romantic, pipe dreaming. Bit like a government integrated transport policy.
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:lol:
Others have expounded on those missions. I can't be fckd to go into that right now. It's late.
However all those missions just came into my head....when I was asled what mission...there are probably many more that I missed out.
However, all of them are valid missions being carried out by people highly principled and yes, very emotionally involved with United (fanatics you might say).
The first line referred to your exposition that it's all a waste of time and won't work. Who the feck are yoiu to say that?
 
I don't like Glazer anymore than anyone of his haters do, but you have to be realistic. Forming another club is not the way to go about things. Neither is burning effigies, flags, storming pitches, storming UEFA meetings, or any other such crap. These people actually thought that these amongst other measures might stop Glazer gaining hold of shares. Didn't work did it? Wonder why? And it is these people that now think forming a new club with no history, tradition, nothing, is a good strategy. Glazer must be laughing his cock off.

There are better ways to do this.

Interesting that there are rumours that he is putting aside 90m quid (above the 45m currently being spent on expansion of the NW and NE corners) to expand the stadium even further. All of them will soon be taking up these new seats sooner rather than later.
 
The thread is in the right forum and unless/until the Manchester United forum is swamped by FC threads and we need to set up a separate enclave, I see no problem with the posts being here.

I've steered clear of these debates as geography makes FC United largely irrelevant to me, in the same way as it does for Weaste. One question for you FC guys though?

Why a new club rather than the United youth teams and reserves?

The main objective in the FCUM thing for me seems to be to maintain the old camaraderie, watch grass roots football every week at a sensible price, be able to take the kids along without being fleeced etc. Since most of the gate would go to Bury rather than United anyway, supporting the kids would not have lined Glazer's pockets. Crowds of 3,000+ turning up home and away to support the reserves would propel the youngsters on, scare the shit out of the opposition and ensure that if Glazer does feel the pinch financially he would not dare touch the academy while you would be supporting the future of United and the very players who will grace Old Trafford if and when Glazer pisses off.
 
WeasteDevil said:
I don't like Glazer anymore than anyone of his haters do, but you have to be realistic. Forming another club is not the way to go about things. .
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There you go again. If Weastie says that's not the way then that's not the way.

WeasteDevil said:
Neither is burning effigies, flags, storming pitches, .
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Only a few did this (don't recall any stoming pitches though). Media attention was necessary and this grabs that attention. Did quite well actually I thought. I even saw it on CNN.

WeasteDevil said:
storming UEFA meetings, or any other such crap..
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Only the papers said they stormed the meeting. Actually it was all very peaceful and those inside actually sat down and discussed the issues. If they had stormed the meeting as you imply (naughty) they would have been arrested or thrown out

WeasteDevil said:
These people actually thought that these amongst other measures might stop Glazer gaining hold of shares. .
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Again not true. They are using every possible opportunity to bring to light the fact that 97% of United supporters questioned are against the Glazer takeover. It's getting the attention of politicians and big business, sponsors and media..[/QUOTE]


WeasteDevil said:
Didn't work did it? Wonder why? And it is these people that now think forming a new club with no history, tradition, nothing, is a good strategy. Glazer must be laughing his cock off..
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You're on a losing streak here Weastie. It had a lot of effect. As mentioned above. And it spurred on a core group of fanatics to accomplish the remarkable task of actually forming a new football club which can absorb many of the emotions that they will lose by not going to OT for the time being. And if Glazer really did laugh his cock off the strategy would have worked beyond all hope!

WeasteDevil said:
There are better ways to do this...
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I'm listening....

WeasteDevil said:
Interesting that there are rumours that he is putting aside 90m quid (above the 45m currently being spent on expansion of the NW and NE corners) to expand the stadium even further. All of them will soon be taking up these new seats sooner rather than later.
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Now you're using Glazer rumours to support your arguements? Well feck me! And RedCanuck's right there behind you like an echo.....
 
Bury Red said:
The thread is in the right forum and unless/until the Manchester United forum is swamped by FC threads and we need to set up a separate enclave, I see no problem with the posts being here.

I've steered clear of these debates as geography makes FC United largely irrelevant to me, in the same way as it does for Weaste. One question for you FC guys though?

Why a new club rather than the United youth teams and reserves?

The main objective in the FCUM thing for me seems to be to maintain the old camaraderie, watch grass roots football every week at a sensible price, be able to take the kids along without being fleeced etc. Since most of the gate would go to Bury rather than United anyway, supporting the kids would not have lined Glazer's pockets. Crowds of 3,000+ turning up home and away to support the reserves would propel the youngsters on, scare the shit out of the opposition and ensure that if Glazer does feel the pinch financially he would not dare touch the academy while you would be supporting the future of United and the very players who will grace Old Trafford if and when Glazer pisses off.
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If I were still there I would be doing both....FCUM and watching the reserves and youth team, I did that for 20 years anyway so not much would change there.
I think the starting of a new club is a more striking move though. Gains media attention. Keeps the issue on the back page. From what I've seen the media is loving the story and if you have no media interest your cause is lost. So I think its the right move and I'm quite amazed its actually come off. Can only admire those involved with pulling off what is a tremndous task. The amount of man hours gone into this must have been enormous.
 
Republic of Mancunia's Revolutionary Red Army: FC United of Manchester.

I want that on a T-Shirt with the SU logo.
 
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