No, it's the other way around. One percentile means 99% are worse.This doesn't make sense. Does this mean Eriksen is the worst culprit?
I recall our passing was already bad in the last few years of SAF's reign. There was a "Zombie Football" thread making its rounds on the CAF. RVP really saved us with his finishing. Back then, we also did not have very good young dynamic centre mids (kudos to Scholesy n Carrick who were aging but still trudging us along), who were crucial in playing a passing & controlling game.
Thereafter, the passing just got worse n worse thru Moyes, LVG, Jose & Ole's reigns. I see it picking up already with ETH. We have to give him time n allow him to bring in the right players to build up the passing style.
No, it's the other way around. One percentile means 99% are worse.
Of course that means the follow up percentiles re City and Arsenal are all wrong, would have to be 15 percentile City bar KDB and 25 Arsenal bar Odegaard. Sounds realistic, even if the posters credibility is in tatters.
Yeah, true, you usually say top 1 or 10 percentile, but the figure used for a rank starts from 100 downwards. But then, the United player values are definitely the wrong way around (or add "top" before the number).That's not how percentile works though. 85th percentile means the person is above 84% of the total.
I just googled:
"Is the 95th percentile the top 5%?
This is a standard measure used in interpreting performance data. This 95th percentile is the highest value left when the top 5% of a numerically sorted set of collected data is discarded. "
Yeah, true, you usually say top 1 or 10 percentile, but the figure used for a rank starts from 100 downwards. But then, the United player values are definitely the wrong way around (or add "top" before the number).
There's no way Eriksen is more wasteful than Bruno. I won't bring McT/Fred into it as you can always skew stats with a lot of sideways passing. Creative players tend to suffer by trying more low probability passes that could unlock a defence, but no, there's no way 72% of Premiership midfielders are better at passing than Eriksen.
Still pretty shocking regardless.
I'm surprised myself but that's what the stats say. It was even worse last season. Anyways, doesn't mean Eriksen is a bad passer, De Bruyne, one of the best passers, is at the bottom 6 percentile. It just means we're seriously lacking a midfielder that can keep possession and help us control games. A midfield of Eriksen, Bruno and Casemiro is too many players that love to take risksYeah, true, you usually say top 1 or 10 percentile, but the figure used for a rank starts from 100 downwards. But then, the United player values are definitely the wrong way around (or add "top" before the number).
There's no way Eriksen is more wasteful than Bruno. I won't bring McT/Fred into it as you can always skew stats with a lot of sideways passing. Creative players tend to suffer by trying more low probability passes that could unlock a defence, but no, there's no way 72% of Premiership midfielders are better at passing than Eriksen.
Still pretty shocking regardless.
I'm surprised myself but that's what the stats say. It was even worse last season. Anyways, doesn't mean Eriksen is a bad passer, De Bruyne, one of the best passers, is at the bottom 6 percentile. It just means we're seriously lacking a midfielder that can keep possession and help us control games. A midfield of Eriksen, Bruno and Casemiro is too many players that love to take risks
Ah that Makes more sense. Although Eriksen having a lower passing accuracy than Fred still pretty much highlights our lack of midfielders with the ability to keep possessionNope the stats are being interpreted incorrectly.
Bruno is being compared against other attacking midfielders, Eriksen against 'normal' midfielders.
If you look at the *raw* pass completion percentage, Eriksen is higher than Bruno as expected.
Ah that Makes more sense. Although Eriksen having a lower passing accuracy than Fred still pretty much highlights our lack of midfielders with the ability to keep possession
Yeah this is good context to the stats of our midfielders. De Jong would really be the perfect fit as he excellent in progressive passing and has very good pass accuracyYep, I get you.
I also initially found out it surprising about Fred but I do remember looking at Fred's pass completion stats earlier in the season and they were actually much higher. He's at a tick under 81% now but a couple of months ago was at 83%. He plays it more safe than Eriksen, Casemiro and Bruno so that's why he's higher and he is also worse at progressive passing than all of them (same story for McTominay).
Eriksen probably ranks lower because he does a lot of long balls and switches that don't always hit their target, but he is an excellent progressive passer.
Casemiro had a much higher pass completion at Madrid. I remember when he joined us he was at around 85%, now down to just under 80%.
He obviously makes the odd mistake with short passes, and also makes a lot of long balls like Eriksen and is also a superior progressive passes than Fred.
The story with Bruno is similar as he ranks very highly with progressive passes.
Long story short, at least in our midfield, high progressive passing metrics is inversely correlated to pass completion percentage because of how adventurous with passing our creative midfielders are.
I never said that possession is the only thing that matters; obviously, you can be good at keeping the ball and still be shite for other reasons.I mean you defeat your own argument there with the stats. 3 of the teams with better possession stats are below us in the table, and unless we get significantly worse than we have been, they will be staying there, because its not like its a small gap. Chelsea can barely score a goal.
I recall our passing was already bad in the last few years of SAF's reign. There was a "Zombie Football" thread making its rounds on the CAF. RVP really saved us with his finishing. Back then, we also did not have very good young dynamic centre mids (kudos to Scholesy n Carrick who were aging but still trudging us along), who were crucial in playing a passing & controlling game.
Thereafter, the passing just got worse n worse thru Moyes, LVG, Jose & Ole's reigns. I see it picking up already with ETH. We have to give him time n allow him to bring in the right players to build up the passing style.
Yep, I get you.
I also initially found out it surprising about Fred but I do remember looking at Fred's pass completion stats earlier in the season and they were actually much higher. He's at a tick under 81% now but a couple of months ago was at 83%. He plays it more safe than Eriksen, Casemiro and Bruno so that's why he's higher and he is also worse at progressive passing than all of them (same story for McTominay).
Eriksen probably ranks lower because he does a lot of long balls and switches that don't always hit their target, but he is an excellent progressive passer.
Casemiro had a much higher pass completion at Madrid. I remember when he joined us he was at around 85%, now down to just under 80%.
He obviously makes the odd mistake with short passes, and also makes a lot of long balls like Eriksen and is also a superior progressive passes than Fred.
The story with Bruno is similar as he ranks very highly with progressive passes.
Long story short, at least in our midfield, high progressive passing metrics is inversely correlated to pass completion percentage because of how adventurous with passing our creative midfielders are.
You will see that Bruno is the biggest culprit. Absolute idiot.
We have players that have low IQ too in their decision making.
I don't know why this confuses so many people. We have some truly awful footballers at this club. Not even Pep would be able to turn them into competent passers of the ball.
I'd rather we didn't spend all our budget on just one or two players. We need 4/5 good footballers to bolster the squad.
This is true. There are too many subpar players in the squad and the overall quality is just... bad, despite many claims of the opposite on this board. Soon as someone of the first XI is unavailable for selection, the replacements are leagues below.
We need better players, and a lot of them.
Yesterday in the midfield before the red cards, we had one player with 62% passing accuracy and the other 2 midfielders had no interest in getting on the ball.
We need an upgrade on Eriksen and a backup for Casemiro, both have to be very comfortable on the ball. Getting rid of all the other dead weight masquerading as squad players is also a must.
