Why can’t we score goals? (Not the Wout bashing thread)

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Like I say, even if you ignore that aspect we are still one of the worst in the league for converting our chances. That is reason number 1 why we don't score enough.
Well I think this "number 1 reason" is a bit subjective then. From what its worth:
Liverpool
xG 74
G 67

Manchester United
xG 58
G 49

The "underperforming" the xG scale is close, the xG number is higher so the final number of goals is higher as well.

Granted: I guess todays match isn't included in our totals, the match in hand obviously isn't as well.
 
Last season we averaged less possession per game and scored slighty more game so it's not as simple as improving possession= more goals and no you don't replace a keeper if you wanna improve your goalscoring, that only works if your team has a semblance of a coherent attacking unit.
Our chance creation and scoring is so low that changing the keeper to improve it would be ridiculous
Do you still hold that notion after tonight's disaster class?

I moments like these when our 2 main CBs are injured, it's the more experienced GKs role to step up, be more proative. What we witnessed was our own GK has been inviting the pressure on, instead of aleviating it and giving the ball to CMs, CBs as fast as possible.

Sure he might not score us extra goals, but with a more proactive GK, we could roll the ball up the pitch faster and more efficient.
 
Eh, that's not really true. A quality striker makes chances for himself and has better movement too receive passes from others, makes it easier for others to create for him, knows where to move for the ball to fall to him, and brings others into play better than what we've had. A huge amount of our weakness up top is simply from having absolute garbage players up there. There are at least 20 Premier League central forwards who would start for us on a regular basis, across like 15 of the teams. That says it all, and it's not an exaggeration.

We create a good amount. No we don't create as much as City nor are we as dominant. But that's an unrealistic level to be frank. There is a whole world in between where they are and what we produce, and a top striker does a whole lot to bridge a good chunk of that gap. Of course, we can do more, but a top striker would make an enormous difference.

I think you're right about better movement but the other things you mention need the other players to do their bit. I'm not sure they do. We definitely need a centre forward, I'm just saying dropping Kane into the team wouldn't fix the problem.

Not really true.

We are one of the top teams for chances created. We are not a freak team like City but Bruno still creates as much as De Bruyne. We dont finish them.

You don't need a 30+ goal striker either. A single focal point can be a problem. If you don't have that, you need one who scores 15-20 and contributes at least the same again with their all round play. Most importantly we need somebody who will get on the end of all those chances created. Not all of them will be converted but we don't have anybody who even tests the opposition defenders.

Afaik, De Bruyne is ahead of everyone on chances created.
 
I'd say yes. Here is why:
We'd get 10-12 extra goals from Jesus
Because he'd be an actual extra goal threat and would encourage more assists out of Rash and Antony. About 5 each.

His play and presence would give a Rashford even more space/freedom to add another 6-9 goals.


His link up play would get more out of Anthony and put him in easier positions to score easy goals adding another 5-7 to his current league tally.

Bruno would be able to score too because of having a forward capable of picking him out with a pass, if he were to run beyond them. That would probably add another 7-10 to our current tally.

Yeah. I disagreed.
 
The home form is very good but we can't seem to score away from Old Trafford. No goals at Sevilla, Wembley, Brighton, West Ham. The only bright spot was for a short spell at Spurs. It's a serious problem. Our 3 strikers this season - Ron, Martial and Wout - have made a negligible goal contribution.
 
Do you still hold that notion after tonight's disaster class?

I moments like these when our 2 main CBs are injured, it's the more experienced GKs role to step up, be more proative. What we witnessed was our own GK has been inviting the pressure on, instead of aleviating it and giving the ball to CMs, CBs as fast as possible.

Sure he might not score us extra goals, but with a more proactive GK, we could roll the ball up the pitch faster and more efficient.
Of course, more than ever, considering all the horrible finishing on display last night (1st half specially), your premise of buying a new keeper was based on his ball playing ability anyway.

Last game, just like vs Brighton in 1st half, there were opportunities to kill the game before the opponent had chance of waking up.

Strikers cost a lot more than keepers in general for good reason
 
"Why can't we play it out the back? (Not the De Gea bashing thread)"
 
Because aside from Rashford on a hot steak we have a bunch of limp dicks in attack. Even Bruno’s shooting has turned into trash over the last 2 years and he used to be really good at it.
 
We are on 49 goals in the league and all the other top 7 are on at least 61. And teams 8 to 10 are on about the same as us.
In goals against we are competitive with the teams around us. Apart from the 3 horrible results at Brentford, City and Liverpool, we have conceded 24 in 31 games. Tight at the back, as David Coleman liked to say.
So it's clear which end the problem is.
If ETH is trying to build a team from back to front, as managers often do, he's on the right track so far but he seriously needs to increase firepower next season.
 
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Part of the reason is why are starting a striker who has been injured most of the year and another who simply doesn't score goals. That's a perfect recipe for not scoring enough goals.
 
Part of the reason is why are starting a striker who has been injured most of the year and another who simply doesn't score goals. That's a perfect recipe for not scoring enough goals.

And, even if he stays, I have my doubts that Greenwood will fill the void. He's a young player, has missed 18 crucial months of development, may need time to get match fit, and doesn't need the pressure of being the main striker.
 
And, even if he stays, I have my doubts that Greenwood will fill the void. He's a young player, has missed 18 crucial months of development, may need time to get match fit, and doesn't need the pressure of being the main striker.

I don't think he's a 9 in any case. Possibly a 7 or a 10. Agreed that he would take time to get back into the groove wherever he lands.
 
Part of the reason is why are starting a striker who has been injured most of the year and another who simply doesn't score goals. That's a perfect recipe for not scoring enough goals.

Liverpool last season was scoring for fun. So did City without a striker. There's also Arsenal with 10 goal a season striker now. United with Jesus as striker won't get anything close to what Arsenal scores so far (83 goals to 49 United).

I think people are too focus on us getting a striker to solve our goalscoring woe.
 
No bagsmen in our squad. No idea if these are true because anyone can say things on twitter, but these sound very believable just looking with your eyes:



So basically, Bruno is pretty much matching KDB.
He is setting up other players to score - the issue is that those players can't put the ball in the back of net.
 
Liverpool last season was scoring for fun. So did City without a striker. There's also Arsenal with 10 goal a season striker now.

I thin people are too focus on us getting a striker to solve our goalscoring woe.

I wouldn't say its just the striker, although that is the bulk of the problem. Its also tactical in that the lack of a proper striker up front is having a knock on effect in our build up play where wide players are running out of ideas on what to do as they near the box, which is resulting in dead end buildups that go nowhere. Having a reliable striker in the box to target would go a long way in resolving this, and that's before we get to the benefits of having a #9 who can actually knock on 30 goals a year.
 
We can't score aby goals because:

- Rashford is having his usual seasonal tantrum again;
- Martial, when he is fit, is being Martial;
- ETH won't play Pellestri or bring up any other attacking talents from the academy, lest they actually become successful.

So,...
 
Of course, more than ever, considering all the horrible finishing on display last night (1st half specially), your premise of buying a new keeper was based on his ball playing ability anyway.

Last game, just like vs Brighton in 1st half, there were opportunities to kill the game before the opponent had chance of waking up.

Strikers cost a lot more than keepers in general for good reason
Oh, I'm not saying our GK would solve our finishing, far from it. But he would help in the build up play which would result in more chances created. As I mentioned previously, the higher our defensive line is, the closer we are to the oppo's team goal, and the easier it is to build chances, progress the ball, etc. Next year when we have a new No.1 you will see how this works first hand.
 
Oh, I'm not saying our GK would solve our finishing, far from it. But he would help in the build up play which would result in more chances created. As I mentioned previously, the higher our defensive line is, the closer we are to the oppo's team goal, and the easier it is to build chances, progress the ball, etc. Next year when we have a new No.1 you will see how this works first hand.
Not without a proper striker you won't, United already create chances now, not as many as we should because there's no proper striker, we can't score them
 
Because we don't have a proper striker
Apart from a proper striker where else would we get goals from.

Halaand is not the only one in that City team that is a goal threat or able to chip in with his contribution of goals.

Gundogan, Foden, Grealish, Rodri, Bernado Silva all have goals in them. Even Stones scored a few.

A proper striker is a must in the window but also midfielders that carry a goal threat.
 
Apart from a proper striker where else would we get goals from.

Halaand is not the only one in that City team that is a goal threat or able to chip in with his contribution of goals.

Gundogan, Foden, Grealish, Rodri, Bernado Silva all have goals in them. Even Stones scored a few.

A proper striker is a must in the window but also midfielders that carry a goal threat.

I think a proper striker would galvanize the midfielders and other attackers more in that buildups would be more productive and everyone else would feel less pressure to score, which would result in better decision making for all.
 
I think a proper striker would galvanize the midfielders and other attackers more in that buildups would be more productive and everyone else would feel less pressure to score, which would result in better decision making for all.

I somewhat agree with the better striker => higher xG sentiment. That doesn't excuse the belief in our squad (multiple players including EtH expressed it) that the reason we're poor is because we don't take our chances.

That's just patently false, we slightly under perform our xG and we should've scored a few more but that's not the reason for our current malaise. The lack of chance creation and the amount of chances we give the opposition are bigger problems.
 
I think a proper striker would galvanize the midfielders and other attackers more in that buildups would be more productive and everyone else would feel less pressure to score, which would result in better decision making for all.
Valid point but again where else would our goals come from if our capable stiker is out injured for example?

City could play with Alvarez up front and their midfileders could still chip in with goals. Apart from Bruno, Casemiro, Antony and maybe Garnacho I don't see where we get goals from Fred, Sancho, McTominay, Van De Beek.
 
3 relegation threatened sides scored more goals in a PL game today then we've managed in a PL game all season... And 2 others matched the most we've scored.

It's not just having that striker (which is obviously a massive issue) we have literally one player you can rely upon to actually score a goal. Our finishing across the board is just shocking and it says a lot when McT is probably in your top 3 finishers.

Even if we do get a striker in the summer, players like Sancho/Anthony/Eriksen, even Bruno need to sort there finishing out, it could be another long season otherwise.
 
3 relegation threatened sides scored more goals in a PL game today then we've managed in a PL game all season... And 2 others matched the most we've scored.

It's not just having that striker (which is obviously a massive issue) we have literally one player you can rely upon to actually score a goal. Our finishing across the board is just shocking and it says a lot when McT is probably in your top 3 finishers.

Even if we do get a striker in the summer, players like Sancho/Anthony/Eriksen, even Bruno need to sort there finishing out, it could be another long season otherwise.
Yep. We could get a prime Lewandowski in this team and we'd still shit the bed infront of goal.

City could play without Halaand and Alvarez and they'd still score a decent amount.

We need to buy smartly in the next few windows because we need players in all positions that can carry a goal threat but this also hinges on the amount of players we can offload.
 
Oh, I'm not saying our GK would solve our finishing, far from it. But he would help in the build up play which would result in more chances created. As I mentioned previously, the higher our defensive line is, the closer we are to the oppo's team goal, and the easier it is to build chances, progress the ball, etc. Next year when we have a new No.1 you will see how this works first hand.
100% agreed. DDG needs to be changed, my initial argument was that it we were comparing importance levels then the striker position would be ahead of a goalkeeper
 
Aside from the obvious lack of a striker, you'd have to say Antony and Sancho have been very poor with their goal returns. I like Antony, it's his first season here and I think there's a good player there but we need more goals and chance creation. Sancho has been even worse over the past two years. It just isn't working out at all.
 
This game sums up all of our problems and shows the lack of a striker is far from being the only problem.

Awful pass selection, dumb shots from outside the area and no real urgency in the middle of the pitch. Sancho, Bruno and Eriksen are the biggest culprits in this.
 
This game sums up all of our problems and shows the lack of a striker is far from being the only problem.

Awful pass selection, dumb shots from outside the area and no real urgency in the middle of the pitch. Sancho, Bruno and Eriksen are the biggest culprits in this.

You could stick Sancho and Antony on the other team and they’d fit in pretty well but people think all of the issues stem from us not having Harry Kane

Bruno also having his worst game in months today
 
Look at what Casemiro did. That should be Martial and/or Sancho.
We just don't have enough hungry players, they'd rather play it safely, keep possession, nothing to extenous.
 
We don't have a proper striker. It's really that simple. You can't sign the likes of Ighalo and Weghorst and say " oh look we have strikers but we're still not scoring". We need a top quality forward.
 
We don't even counter well, it's few quick passes then it slows down on wings

Genuinely don't understand the gameplan, it's 1 goal game what feels like every single match
 
We don't even counter well, it's few quick passes then it slows down on wings

Genuinely don't understand the gameplan, it's 1 goal game what feels like every single match

Lack of a quality striker. We simply run out of ideas near the oppo box because our players don't know what to do with the ball.
 
52 goals in 36 matches is a really poor return. City are on course for 100, Arsenal for 80+, Liverpool 70+, Newcastle 70.

A striker HAS to be the priority in the summer, but also another creative outlet (Sancho, Antony have been poor)
 
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