Why can’t we score goals? (Not the Wout bashing thread)

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The coaching has to improve but I don’t blame Ten Hag for this, there’s been almost no time between games for this and pre season wasn’t really a reflection of the squad we ended up with.

I think the likes of Brighton, Villa etc would massively struggle with Weghorst or this version of Martial upfront.
 
We have 11 goals from 20 xG in the last 10 games.
Shocking. And don’t most teams slightly overachieve on their xG — so really we should be looking at around 25 goals or so?
 
1. No Striker
2. Wasteful Anthony (Who literally misses 2 big chances per game)
3. Bruno's lack of goals
4. Poor xG from set pieces
 
Shocking. And don’t most teams slightly overachieve on their xG — so really we should be looking at around 25 goals or so?
Not most teams. But from what I have seen, the better teams tend to overperform xG however high the xG is. Being clinical and x-factor maybe?

Then the good teams but not clinical enough like Liverpool, Brighton, Aston Villa, Newcastle... tend to underperform xG about handful of goals. However, we are 12 goals below xG this season, clearly pointing toward wastefulness in front of goal. We're below Brighton and Newcastle in xG, but outperforming them in xA. My interpretation is the lack of CF presence/know how to get to the end of chance inside the box. xG is more about distance from goal, angle, and whether there are blockers. So if we put the ball across the box, but no one to attack, then there is no xG to register. Teams like Newcastle not exactly create more in open play, but they can rake up xG from all type of set pieces because they have many aerial threatening players to spam crosses to.

I believe a quality CF, would push our xG, xA higher, and even if we're still underperforming in xG, we're about Liverpool tally, which is about 20 goals give or take.
 
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No top striker. Every team around the top has a very good or WC striker. Some even have more than one. We have a converted winger who isnt very good with consistancy when not injured, and a buffoon on loan, who shouldnt be anywhere near the club. McCarthy may be a top striking coach, but if this is what he has to work with, then no wonder we cant score.
 
It’s obvious we need a striker but the wide players are also massively contributing to this - particularly Sancho and Antony. Both seem to have little desire to actually go past their man and once they’ve slowed down and come inside the other team is set.

Garnacho looked more of a threat than both in his first 5 mins - direct and with played with urgency.

We don’t move the ball anywhere near quick enough as a team.
 
We obviously need a quality striker but more than anything I feel like we’re lacking proper coaching of attacking patterns.

Watching our attacking play is incredibly frustrating. Nobody seems to know what to do - on or off the ball. No one-twos (Martial’s chance today was a rare exception), no threatening runs, no trough balls, no creative link up play etc.

IMO this is why we don’t get any tap ins or easy goals. Rather, we pass the ball around the box all day before losing it or shooting from an impossible position.

I assume this will improve once EtH gets time to drill the side properly, but I really don’t think it’s going to solve much just buying new players without working on the tactical aspects of attacking play.

Teams like Brighton, Brentford and Villa have worse forwards than us but their attacking play looks way more fluid and creative.

But they don’t. Toney and Watkins in particular would walk into our first team. Christ, I’d take Welbeck ahead of the current iteration of Martial.

We’ve played an entire season without a striker, which is primarily why we struggle to score goals.

It’s been the same problem for a decade; coaching has been a big issue, but the last top level striker we had in his prime was Van Persie.

No manager is getting a great deal more out of this lot in an attacking sense. Not while ensuring the defence is still stable.
 
Only garnacho ever challenges his full back
Antony yesterday was through on goal, instead of running across his man he takes it wide
Sancho just gives it to shaw
I’m not a martial fan but you could put Haaland up top with Antony and sancho and he finish the league with 10 goals
 
I think there are a few reasons why we don't score enough goals:

  • Our strikers aren't good enough. Martial and Wout aren't consistent enough and not enough of a goal threat.
  • We are reliant on Rashford (injured) and to a much lesser extent Bruno on scoring goals. If neither of them is firing our chances of scoring reduces massively.
  • Lack of creativity in midfield, we missed Eriksen for a spell and didn't really have anyone creative enough to fill his role. You saw yesterday the goal was made from his vision to spot Casemiro (and a wonderful finish) but we don't have many players who can do that.
  • Wide options are too predictable. Our opponents know Anthony and Rashford will always try and cut in on their stronger foot to shoot and Sancho will slow the play down. Even if we had a top class striker we wouldn't provide them with a lot of chances as our wide players want to shoot rather than assist.
In order to solve this I think we need to bring in at least two strikers in the summer and a CM who can bring some creativity. I'd also be interested to see Garnacho and Amad get more involved in the first team as they bring someone a bit different and less predictable while also providing a good goal threat.
 
I think there are a few reasons why we don't score enough goals:

  • Our strikers aren't good enough. Martial and Wout aren't consistent enough and not enough of a goal threat.
  • We are reliant on Rashford (injured) and to a much lesser extent Bruno on scoring goals. If neither of them is firing our chances of scoring reduces massively.
  • Lack of creativity in midfield, we missed Eriksen for a spell and didn't really have anyone creative enough to fill his role. You saw yesterday the goal was made from his vision to spot Casemiro (and a wonderful finish) but we don't have many players who can do that.
  • Wide options are too predictable. Our opponents know Anthony and Rashford will always try and cut in on their stronger foot to shoot and Sancho will slow the play down. Even if we had a top class striker we wouldn't provide them with a lot of chances as our wide players want to shoot rather than assist.
In order to solve this I think we need to bring in at least two strikers in the summer and a CM who can bring some creativity. I'd also be interested to see Garnacho and Amad get more involved in the first team as they bring someone a bit different and less predictable while also providing a good goal threat.
Not consistent is a nice word for being poor. This is just a negative spat at our season. The difficulties we have had is key players brought in this season to turn around the ship were missing when we had the momentum. Ericksen /Casemiro/Rashford/ Garancho/Varane and Martinez . That quality missing for chunks of the season on back a good period was crucial to the subsequent issues. In contrast you take KDB, Grealish,Stones Dias and Benardo out for similar stinks and no purchase of Haaland & Alvarez where would they be now?. Two out of 3 last windows have been none existent so picking players to critique is a bit too early in ETH process. Everyone and their grannies knows we need strikers. However we have to get smarter, when the likes of Caicedo was avialable to us for 4.5m and was overlooked for 36m on Amad. These mistakes need adressing in the background logistics.What for instance what would a 15m Alvarez have done for us this season playing 99% of the time.
 
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Last season especially just after the winter window, we had the excuse. This season? No. The people above ETH messed up totally. When Ronaldo pushing to move like that, should have let him. Medical team at the club should have Martial's fitness data and advise us to look for a back up CF. Martial injury issue didn't start this year. From what he himself said, he has been struggling previous two years too. It's totally foreseeable. We should have people look at this, right (?), and have line of communication to the head coach, recruitment team? Can't just let the manager to do everything from profiling, listing transfer target, which limit us to Arnautovic, Weghorst, Gakpo.

Our goal scoring issue is simple. Rashford hot form fizzled out. We don't have enough goal in the team even though we still had period in games where we create and pin opposition back.

I completely agree but I don’t think ETH realised how bad things were with Ronaldo or Martial's fitness problems were either, I think he’d have pushed for one to go earlier on if he realised.

Bringing in a main striker (Kane or Osimhen) and a back up (Thuram on a free) is very doable as long as we’re clever in the market although that said we seriously lack in the recruitment department as well as our outgoings.
 
Shocking. And don’t most teams slightly overachieve on their xG — so really we should be looking at around 25 goals or so?
You'll see them vary one way or the other, most players tend to go somewhere around their xG over long enough time but some overperform by like 20% (Haaland and Messi). Higher than that and you can be sure they'll regress. But within 20% is in the normal range probably (we are 19% below for the season, 52 vs 64 xG). Even just variance and I think it's highly unlikely we would finish this poorly next season. We weren't too far off our xG most of the season, and then this last 10 games where we've struggled has really been mainly just a huge xG underperformance.
 
Terrible attackers. We have maybe the worst group of attackers in the top 10. Only Rashford and Garnacho are serviceable. The rest are flat out useless.
 
Think you can safely say even IF we do bring in Rabiot on a free we are still not going to sign another two midfielders as well. I agree that we need other profile of midfielders in there but don't see it happening this summer unfortunately
Totally agree will take Rabiot (Free) plus a top quality creative number 8 what price for 32 year old Veratti for two seasons ?
 
Decision making/last pass execution. Notice how many counters we fecked up because of bad last pass or wrong decisions by players.
 
Bruno's goals have massively dried up since Ten Hag came in, which really hasn't helped.

It dried up when the refs stopped giving us penalties. Last season he had 10 goals but 5 of them came in a couple of games.
 
It's all about the quality of shooting. When I watched the first leg of RM vs City I was really impressed with the shots from range and a little closer. Most were on target and forced a good save. Contrast that with our shooting where we usually miss the target altogether. Yesterday Martial, Bruno and Antony all had opportunities to test the keeper with good looks and at least 8 of them missed the goal entirely. Bruno, I have to say, was probably the worst with the left footed shot and then skying his right from outside the box. Martial usually takes an extra step and it's blocked or not even close to the target (his attempted curler to the corner was not even close and was not that difficult). Antony's curlers usually miss.

I think it is now a psychological barrier. One or two misses just gets the whole team thinking "here we go again." Maybe we'll break this barrier with 4 goals on Thursday or Sunday and have some confidence going into the FA final.
 
Not consistent is a nice word for being poor. This is just a negative spat at our season. The difficulties we have had is key players brought in this season to turn around the ship were missing when we had the momentum. Ericksen /Casemiro/Rashford/ Garancho/Varane and Martinez . That quality missing for chunks of the season on back a good period was crucial to the subsequent issues. In contrast you take KDB, Grealish,Stones Dias and Benardo out for similar stinks and no purchase of Haaland & Alvarez where would they be now?. Two out of 3 last windows have been none existent so picking players to critique is a bit too early in ETH process. Everyone and their grannies knows we need strikers. However we have to get smarter, when the likes of Caicedo was avialable to us for 4.5m and was overlooked for 36m on Amad. These mistakes need adressing in the background logistics.What for instance what would a 15m Alvarez have done for us this season playing 99% of the time.

This really isn't true though. First of all Amad only cost 19m with the rest as add ons which will only be met if he becomes an important player for us which I think he has a chance of becoming in the following seasons. Secondly the Amad deal in no way blocked Caicedo from happening which was more related to ridiculous agent fees from what I've read.
 
The supply line is massively lacking.
Rashy and Antony prefer to shoot than cross. They've barely had a proper striker to target anyway. Martial is more likely to be outside the box playing one twos, Wout doesn't have the instinct.
Bruno is a bit of a wildman. Way more likely to smash it into the stand than the net.
Sancho is more like a youngster coming through the ranks, squad player filler, rather than what he should be for the fee and wages.

Ten Hag has a big job. Buying a big striker won't fix it all.
 
A top striker plus Amad back and a top CDM to back up Casamiro are my priorities.
Defence is fine.
Degea great keeper but lacking in his distribution/passing. I still think a keeper is lower priority though.
 
This really isn't true though. First of all Amad only cost 19m with the rest as add ons which will only be met if he becomes an important player for us which I think he has a chance of becoming in the following seasons. Secondly the Amad deal in no way blocked Caicedo from happening which was more related to ridiculous agent fees from what I've read.
Sorry, ok then 19m on Amad when we could have had Caicedo for 4m. Brighton swopped in and figured out a way to sort out those agent payments . So Brightons staff are more capable than Utd's?. My point is, all the stories regarding who we miss are lies or we can't close deals without it being a mess. It's clear it's one or other and hopefully there is less of it going forward is my hope anyways. I do hope that we are changing that failed environment whilst also chasing players.
 
Because we don’t have a striker! We seriously need Kane or Osimhen, regardless of the ownership situation, just to compete.
 
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