I think ETH has lost the dressing room. He comes from a rich family. Still he won't abandon a severance package, even if it is minimal. Now the players don't care, and I believe the manager doesn't either. He know his time is numbered. It is sad for a manager to transition from his post match speech in the 2-1 win over Liverpool last season, to what he has become now. From his subs, his silence, the performance of key players, the leaks by one or more United players, ETH's body language itself, I think he expects to be sacked by the end of this season. One season ago I though he would last 2 years. ETH lacks the firmness and sagacity of truly great coaches.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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This is exactly it United are always on the edge of tomorrow; you can predict how it’s gonna go while the muppet yanks are still running the show. I can’t grasp how any fan at this stage can still have the “if we just get somebody who can coach these players” sentiments.
How many managers and players do United have to destroy before people accept that the issue is the club And how it’s run?
The club is like an obnoxious, rotten, drug using asshole and some of the fans are still thinking if the club just meets a nice girl the club will be fully reformed.
Very good news if true, we need to let him finish what he started. Only way to break player hegemony at the club, and to show them who is in control. Is he the one to bear the standard? Who knows. Perhaps down the line if given time will come together. A sharp turn in directions would be catastrophic half way in.
As usual, people are overeacting without much context. First of all the performance yesterday was 100 times better than against brighton and even against burnley when we won.
Guys we pushed and pushed yesterday, but only lacked the breakthrough. Lets be honest, we dont have a clutch player in our squad. A clutch player is the decisive player needed to beat one or two men, unlock a tight defence and create something or score.
Think of saka or salah or Young cristiano. A team like manutd who commonly play against a low block always need those special player. Sadly we just dont have that player..we try to make rashford or anthony that player but they are not. These dudes cannot unlock a tight defence.
Everything else was there in our performance. Mount played well, amrabat was okay, so was casemiro..we can bash rasford and bruno but we dominated that team. The only thing missing was the breakthrough.
People who say Ange at Tottenham has got his team playing amazing and think he is a better option to ten hag miss the point. Tottenham dont play against the low block as often as we do. If Ange came to manutd, he would struggle. Same thing for de zerbi at brighton. All the cool tactics to play out from the back and hit the opp team on the counter only work if you are against a pressing team...low block teams need a player with that x factor in them
People are bashing this loss like we were dominated. I would take the performance yesterday and the loss over the brighton one...or even the burnley one where we won. If we had played like how we did against burnley and won against palace it would be cause for worry...it would Mourinhos football all over again.
We should only consider letting Ten Hag go if the football gets worse consistently...if the way we played against burnley or Brighton becomes the norm. If the performance is like yesterday's, its okay...let the guy work.
Guys we pushed and pushed yesterday, but only lacked the breakthrough. Lets be honest, we dont have a clutch player in our squad. A clutch player is the decisive player needed to beat one or two men, unlock a tight defence and create something or score.
Think of saka or salah or Young cristiano. A team like manutd who commonly play against a low block always need those special player. Sadly we just dont have that player..we try to make rashford or anthony that player but they are not. These dudes cannot unlock a tight defence.
Everything else was there in our performance. Mount played well, amrabat was okay, so was casemiro..we can bash rasford and bruno but we dominated that team. The only thing missing was the breakthrough.
People who say Ange at Tottenham has got his team playing amazing and think he is a better option to ten hag miss the point. Tottenham dont play against the low block as often as we do. If Ange came to manutd, he would struggle. Same thing for de zerbi at brighton. All the cool tactics to play out from the back and hit the opp team on the counter only work if you are against a pressing team...low block teams need a player with that x factor in them
People are bashing this loss like we were dominated. I would take the performance yesterday and the loss over the brighton one...or even the burnley one where we won. If we had played like how we did against burnley and won against palace it would be cause for worry...it would Mourinhos football all over again.
We should only consider letting Ten Hag go if the football gets worse consistently...if the way we played against burnley or Brighton becomes the norm. If the performance is like yesterday's, its okay...let the guy work.
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It’s pleasing to see a large amount of realism and common sense in this thread. Sometimes to vocal minority drowns out the reasonable voices and makes the situation feel much darker than it actually is.
I get the anger and frustration around the club, but I really think pinning it on ten Hag at this point is entirely misguided. Especially when there is obviously no stand out candidate to replace him. Give the man time to work!
I get the anger and frustration around the club, but I really think pinning it on ten Hag at this point is entirely misguided. Especially when there is obviously no stand out candidate to replace him. Give the man time to work!
I’d stick with Ten Hag. Still fully behind him. I see the frustrations but I think we have to be realistic and at the moment our attack is just shockingly poor.
I wouldn’t replace ETH; I would be patient. I think he’s the best guy for the job. If he is sacked in the near future, then I pity the next guy who tries to deal with this circus of a club. There are too many issues to resolve for a change of manager to provide a magic bullet solution. The club is a mess from top to bottom, requiring changes at all levels. There are constant distractions which make the manager’s job so difficult.
No more optimism left. No hope. No solutions.
Thats some analogy.St. Pep Guardiola himself couldn’t turn this club around.
As long as the Glazer are in charge the. It will be the same old shyt
Anyone who wants a beautiful payday blotch on their record at this shit show of a club could be next. It's groundhog day all the time here when it's the footballing structure.
Giant load of pesticide is called relegate the fecking club to feck the slow coach Glazers off out of here. Everything they do is so slow and negates the positive effect of the event.
Jokes aside.
I would genuinely be for relegation at this point if it means the glazers are forced to sell up.
We’re never going to have a coherent operation until the Glazers go, so any continuity and vision is going to have to come from the manager. This is the most intelligent appointment we’ve made post Fergie.
He’s only been in the country for a year and is having to deal with more than any manager should have to. This competition is hard enough without having to drive a whole club basically by yourself.
He’s only been in the country for a year and is having to deal with more than any manager should have to. This competition is hard enough without having to drive a whole club basically by yourself.
Zidane or Conte ?!
Not sure who to replace ETH with and even so, it will likely be the same old story.
I am ok for him Stay on and at least instill some discipline in the dressing room and continue to get rid of the disruptive influences and dead wood elements in the squad.
I am ok for him Stay on and at least instill some discipline in the dressing room and continue to get rid of the disruptive influences and dead wood elements in the squad.
No one. Why do we want this? It’s ridiculous. This idea that a manager can lose the dressing room. These are supposed to be be professional footballers. It shouldn’t matter who’s manager, they should have pride this is a ridiculous never ending cycle if we don’t back Ten Haag. Should Liverpool have sacked Klopp last season?
Zidane or Conte ?!
Imagine what would happen if Conte was manager “yeh, we can get you either Ighalo or Weghorst up front. The good news is we’ve extended Martials contract 10 years so you will always have him as an option , twice a season, for one half”.
Im sure Conte would be delighted and-his head wouldnt Explode. Meanwhile there’d be fans saying Conte is past it and sure he wanted weghorst or Ighalo(nothing to do with the club gave them no other choice).
Wait, people want De Zelensky who just got beaten 1-6 by Villa yesterday? Changing manager is pointless IF we dont re-structure the scouting system. No need to argue with me by saying have world class scouting team cause the proof is in the pudding. Sack Murtough and get someone with expertise, experience, and networks in. How a club like Man United hired nobody as their first ever DoF is beyond me....
is this a joke? firstly kid is 20 years old, secondly he's still adapting into new teammates, new club, new league, and new country, thirdly kid is a traditional no. 9 you ought to feed him the ball in order for him to score the goals, and hes got zero service before rashford trying to hard to imitate CR7, Bruno's poor forms, and non-existence RW so how can you make conclusion of him? this kind of mindset from supporter is such poisonus, it helps no one especially young kid whos just started his career.
is this a joke? firstly kid is 20 years old, secondly he's still adapting into new teammates, new club, new league, and new country, thirdly kid is a traditional no. 9 you ought to feed him the ball in order for him to score the goals, and hes got zero service before rashford trying to hard to imitate CR7, Bruno's poor forms, and non-existence RW so how can you make conclusion of him? this kind of mindset from supporter is such poisonus, it helps no one especially young kid whos just started his career.
Ive been saying that since Ferguson retired.
I mean the Fellini signing should of been the canary in the coal mine but people are still clinging to this idea that the manager doing well over there will do well here , cause our problem is our current manager.
De Zerbi if he is willing to take over the shitshow.
Conte would most likely quit after 4 weeks of working with the Glazers.
He'd make Mourinho look like a saint.
He'd make Mourinho look like a saint.
Giving him a new contract right now would be absolutely fecking bonkers stupid.
IF he doesn’t get sacked between now and the end of the season then reassess in the summer.
The way things are at the moment all extending his contract does is increase his pay off when he inevitably gets sacked.
Keep him unless it looks like relegation.
We gave Ole a new contract only to sack him weeks later so we could pay him more severance money.
Itd be so funny if it wasnt so fecking tragic.
Good post. Now shut down this silly thread.
Or, you could just stay out of it?
All coaches who would probably suffer the same problems because the squad really isn't built to perform to the strengths of their style. It's a real mixed bag of players that needs someone who doesn't have a definitive style and can work to the strengths of the group.
ETH should be kept and let him continue to weed the garden and even if he has to be extra tough in order to remove the worst weeds.
Didn’t the same also happen with Mourinho?
There will only be real pressure on him if a big name manager becomes available. There really isnt anyone at the moment.
Really? Or now just because he has had a great start at Spurs?
Because he wasnt even near the top of Spurs list.
Na, I'd prefer us to go full on l.olz by using football manager to work with Ten Hag. Make him sit there in his own time to get a grip on how the potential recruit would actually work within the team. Give Ten Hag ideas from there for improving training.
I suspect that we don't play many games in training, it's something that must be looked at. How is that FM manager getting on in France?
You really think our players would listen to him if they don’t take orders from the likes of ETH, Solskjær etc.
Agreed. As I said yesterday Arteta finished 8th twice and then 5th with Arsenal… all their fans was calling for him to be sacked before he put up a title challenge against city and now they’re performing consistently good. I think we’ll still have ETH next season and that’s the season he really needs to up his game and make sure we’re challenging for stuff.
If his signings wouldn't be so fecking atrocious I would have more patience. But with Murthough having no clue about his job and looking like an absolute amateur and ten Haag burning money I'm really worried. If we had a proper DoF and would let ETH do his managing job solely I would be fine with giving him more time.
A new manager won't change anything. We'll be stuck in another 2 year cycle again.
I could understand this train of thought if ETH was an Ancelotti level of manager that had shown through multiple CL trophies that he is world class and is worth sticking with.
But ETH has proven feck all. We have been absolutely fecking dreadful since March. Literally terrible. No style of play. No in game plan if the starting tactics don’t work. Terrible recruitment and most worrying of all being out thought by literally every single team we come up against.
Now I’m not saying that ETH should be sacked, but he needs to get a grip on things and quick.
Nah, there is but people are acting like Ten Hag is the last great hope when the reality is a different manager could probably do a better job. We’ll be fine once they realise this isn’t going to work and they have to appoint someone else.
Why won’t it?
His pay is £160k/w so he isn't on small money exactly, still any genuine commitment he has the club faith intact would be a good signal that they back him, assuming they truly do. Still it's typical United to try to extinguish a fire with more money
.Historically a bumped contract here = fired very soon.
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