Who cares… meaningless while the Glazers remain.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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I agree, but the Glazers are still the problem.
Been banging the drum for months, but successful clubs aren’t owned by clowns.
Kane was his A player and asked the club to show ambition in getting him but I doubt it was ever on the table and I also think he'd be a frustrated figure in the team if we did get him as we're not functioning for a long time now and look at Spurs since he left. He makes sense for Bayern, we're a dead team since the league cup and carry a lot of flaws. Kane dodged a bullet in my view.
As bad as Weghorst was, we as a team could never get him into a game, he scored lots in Germany and Turkey but there was nothing doing in our poorly functioning team. Casemiro is probably our best attacker it's that bad.
As bad as Weghorst was, we as a team could never get him into a game, he scored lots in Germany and Turkey but there was nothing doing in our poorly functioning team. Casemiro is probably our best attacker it's that bad.
ETH insisted on Mount. How is that a plan B or C signing?
The contract offer was revoked to De Gea on ETH's insistence to then bring in Onana. How is that a plan B or C signing?
ETH has been backed more than any United manager has post-SAF and people are still peddling the myth that he's not been backed sufficiently enough.
How many players/signings does he need for us to look like a team on the rise?
First step is hilarious, it's the clubs fault he wanted eredivisie players and we didn't do enough to stop him.
To me a lot of fans misunderstand what "backing the manager" actually means.
It's not just a case of allowing him to spend money on players, it's spending money to allow him to get rid of players he no longer wants.
Rumours are that Maguire wanted £6m in compensation to offset the drop in wages, United offered four and refused to negotiate.
The same for Mctominay
We don't need a new manager, we need an owner(s) who will look at the long term and back the manager to bring in all the players he wants, so that he doesn't have to resort to last minute deadline day loan deals.
The only way that will happen is a few seasons in the doldrums, winning bugger all.
It's not just a case of allowing him to spend money on players, it's spending money to allow him to get rid of players he no longer wants.
Rumours are that Maguire wanted £6m in compensation to offset the drop in wages, United offered four and refused to negotiate.
The same for Mctominay
We don't need a new manager, we need an owner(s) who will look at the long term and back the manager to bring in all the players he wants, so that he doesn't have to resort to last minute deadline day loan deals.
The only way that will happen is a few seasons in the doldrums, winning bugger all.
The Glazers need to go.
Hopefully we see some increased action from true fans soon.
Hopefully we see some increased action from true fans soon.
I'd never heard of Postenoglou before Spurs signed him. There must be someone out there.A simple question for those of you who have turned or are turning on Erik.
Who replaces him?
Who is out there and available/willing to come here who is better than ETH or can make a real difference that Erik cannot?
Who can polish this shitshow of a club into a well oiled winning machine.
Enlighten me please, I’m struggling to name anyone. And no @Amadaeus its not Poch.
We know who needs replacing, its the manager AND the cronies above him.
As with the previous managers, we cannot simply wash off the on field performances due to an inept board and owners. Yes, they need sacking, so does the man who is responsible for what we see on the pitch.
I really like Ruben Amorim from Sporting. Whether he is ready to manager a club like ours yet is a different question but I really enjoy watching how he’s got his team playing over the last few seasons.
TBF antony, Casemiro were plan B or C
Who did ETH want before Antony?
He is another Jose/Conte type of manager from what I have read. I might be completely wrong.
Dejong obviously. Antony was fallback option otherwise why would United dithered for the whole summer
Casemiro is plan B for De Jong.
Casemiro and Antony were signed, meaning that De Jong and Antony would have been signed as well. United dithered for Antony on the price.
So who was plan A before Antony?
Purely on the basis of best man for the job. However, I'm firmly of the opinion that nobody will be successful at the club in it's current guise.
Someone who can do what exactly? The players are mostly lazy and overrated.
In what sense? Style of football? Management style?
Style
Who can sign good players that are actually needed and make those players play attacking football with some sort of plan.
United'd get Dejong + 1 preferably. They were both fallback options.
Would prefer we held on with ten hag for now but I do like what I've seen from xabi Alonso and his Leverkusen side although it might be too early to tell if he's bound for managerial success or not, and besides it's much more likely that he ends up in Madrid than here.
Not sure I’d entirely agree with that. Whilst he isn’t as gung-ho as Klopp or Pep, he is a tactical manager who sets his teams up according to the opposition. Playing a 3-4-3 usually they get a lot of joy staying compact whilst out of position and then really getting at the opposition on the counter. His team that included the likes of Joao Palhinha and Matheus Nunes as a pair was very solid but with a lot of quality going forward. The games against Arsenal in the europa league a couple of seasons ago for example for me is really what put Ruben on a potential shortlist of possibly future managers for us.
Wr first need a dictator with an iron fist to instill decision..feck those lazy bunch of players, 2-3 years of house cleaning
Then we'll talk about passing the baton to progressive manager
Then we'll talk about passing the baton to progressive manager
Yes as I said i have only read posts from Portuguese posters here. So I'm not 100% on what i gathered on that.
What are you smoking? Not only do they play different positions, he wanted Antony as early as June. Our scouts felt he wasn't worth the 64m Ajax wanted and declined to negotiate further.
And having the incompetent bellends we have at this club, we managed to somehow pay an even higher fee that what was first quoted.
Think we need to replace the owners first before we think about anything else.
So United wasn't super serious about Antony then? You proved my point. Thanks
The plan was always Dejong +1
There are many managers that would be able to do what Ten Hag is doing in terms of mentality and culture. In fact I'm surprised he's not got this nailed by this point already.
But i do have to question what mentality and culture he's actually building. Because he constantly picks underperformers. He tried signing a racist. We've heard rumours that players feel he shows favoritism to 'his guys'. He constantly blames players for any dropped point or poor performance, no sign of any self reflection or accountability. He humoured Ronaldo for too long when he was making a mockery of the club and the manager. He wanted Greenwood back. He fecked over David De Gea in a completely unprofessional manner. He hung Sancho out to dry in the worst possible moment.
i could go on. But I think he's made some very questionable decision that probably don't actually help the culture at the club. Taking a hard stance here and there is a sign of nothing.
5 years? So you honestly think he'll be given 5 years without winning anything major? We're not a serious club if this was the case, which thankfully it won't be.
I think what you'll find happening right now is most people defending ETH with these ridiculous excuses are the same ones that made incorrect proclamations about how good he was. In reality I think they missed some pretty key things about ETH and Ajax, which have been pointed out by Ajax supporters and others on here. Some that should have given reasonable doubt about exactly how good he actually was likely to be.
Now we hear how the Glazers need to go and he needs to be backed more. What people are actually hoping will happen is that Qatar will buy the club and buy us success with ETH in charge. They want us to build a team that is so good it will mask his shortcomings. The post below is a perfect example. These guys have seemingly learnt nothing from our previous failures and how sticking with managers for too long and spending unreal amounts of money on each managers targets caused this mess. They are so desperate for him to succeed that they will forget all that and hope we roll the dice one last time in backing this manager by throwing even more money at him.
I bet you can go back and find dozens of posts from these same guys, criticising the way we conduct our transfer business and taking about how our squad needs rebuilding because it is a mish mash of players bought under different visions. Yet they'll happily do it again now for ETH.
It would be the final hail Mary, and if it failed then we'd honestly be done for a very long time. The club needs to think long and hard about whether they continue to finance ETHs whims, because we'll have a whole load of deadwood, worse than we've ever seen previously. We'll be fecked with FFP too.
Not only that but where do you draw the line? ETH isn't completely stupid and will never say he's happy with his squad until he stumbled across something that was winning trophies. There's not much left to sign before we're replacing players he's already signed. In fact that has already started with all the midfielders he's signed.
I know I bang this drum endlessly but someone Premier League proven and on the up.
Someone who knows the Premier League and is suited to the modern PL.
Someone who knows the Premier League and is suited to the modern PL.
No, the plan was always a right winger, regardless of de jong.
I think we're on track in the Ten Hag rebuild. This season's goal is finishing in the CL slots. In the next two transfer windows, we should be shot of all of the malingering, lazy, and substandard players. It's what was said when Ten Hag was hired, no one expected instant success. I still support Ten Hag and the rebuild, so I think there's no one to replace him with.
Few coaches control recruitment anymore. They typically leave it to the club and Uniteds recruitment is sh!te and has been for 10 years.
I agree, but there will be managers outside that could do well. The problem with these upcoming PL managers is that they're at clubs surrounded by positivity. They must take one look at Potter at Chelsea and realise how coming here could completely ruin their career. Not that it matters to us.
I'm of the belief that we 100% have the talent in our squad to play for football. Its just finding the manager to inspire, which isn't ETH. I look at the way Klopp is with his players and I can see why they run through walls for the guy. One day we'll find a manager that clicks with our players and that will be it. A bit like Ange at Spurs. Their team is average on paper for the most part, but they've bought in and they've all elevated as a team. We just need to find that guy.
We had a pretty good solution in Ralf Rangnick. It was ETH who decided against it and wouldn't engage him in proper conversation. And now we know why... because he wanted to sign all his guys and he knew full well that no respectable DoF type would allow that. It flies in the face of the whole model in which the DoF works.
It was even reported after the club interviewed ETH for the job that he was insisting on being heavily involved in transfers.
Nobody can use this as an excuse, because he insisted on it and he wouldn't have been here otherwise.
It's obvious ETH does. Most of the players signed are ex players from his previous teams.
Fans want instant success that too under this regime. No wonder we lack any identity.
Antony was never a fall back for Ten Hag he wanted him in the second he took over United.
Our own scouts were the ones saying he wasn't good enough but the board caved in and have Erik what he wanted at 90 million.
We’ve tried experienced campaigners, up and coming hipsters and all have looked promising in their different ways ( well, that maybe overstating it a bit- most have looked promising). But when they get here, after the bounce such as it is has gone, they’ve all turned to shit. Personally I’m convinced that something larger is wrong. It’s not just managers who have become infected with this viral failure, either- good players come in and gradually- or often rapidly - they turn to shit, too.
There is a deep malaise at the club, and I’m not sure anyone can fix it. I’m pretty confident it’s connected to the owners,- not in any simplistic sense, but in terms of their long history of failure here and the dreadful people they’ve introduced or promoted. The club is now so thoroughly steeped in their grim culture that nothing short of an entirely new regime is likely to fix it. It may take years, and may have to get even worse than this.
I truly hope I’m wrong.
There is a deep malaise at the club, and I’m not sure anyone can fix it. I’m pretty confident it’s connected to the owners,- not in any simplistic sense, but in terms of their long history of failure here and the dreadful people they’ve introduced or promoted. The club is now so thoroughly steeped in their grim culture that nothing short of an entirely new regime is likely to fix it. It may take years, and may have to get even worse than this.
I truly hope I’m wrong.
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