Who had the better season? Arsenal or Man utd?

RobinLFC said:
I can again just quote this. I don't remember any season from any club apart from Liverpool. And I know that I'd rather have had Arsenal's season than United's just now, is all I'm saying. Also rather Liverpool's season than United's even if our domestic cup means less. Fine if you disagree, hope you enjoyed your seasont then because of those two wins against Liverpool and City.
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yeah we can agree to disagree, mate.

I do enjoy those two wins that lead to a title. If we lost the final then that Liverpool win would mean very little. Now it does as it was a cup run that would be remembered, at least for me.

We all have something to complain about in 38 games season. Yes, Arsenal had many good games, we had many bad ones, but that's part of the process. I'd rather have neither season - I'd want City's season.

There's absolutely no guarantee whether Arsenal will transcend that form into next season. If they do - fine, if not this season will mean even less.

We obviously see it differently and if the season was running, then yeah you'd love to be in Arsenal's shoes rather than ours, but then when all said is done and all ended it's part of history. And history doesn't remember those that came second.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
How about spending 9 months of your weekends watching good football played by the team you support? Or like us last season spending our 9 months of weekends watching miserable football.
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Here's the thing. I think it depends what people look at, there's no doubt Arsenal has a better team, played better, had better results throughout the season.

But at the end of the day in 16 years when people look back at the 22-23 and 23-24 seasons they'd see 6 domestic trophies on offer, 3 won by City, 2 by United and 1 by Liverpool. No one will remember how good Arsenal were or how easy on the eye their football was.

I think it should be worrying for Arsenal fans that despite them being far better than us or Liverpool they've somehow come out of the last 2 seasons with nothing to show for it.

Would I expect us to have more chance of winning silverware than Arsenal next season because we won something this season and Arsenal didn't ? Of course not, but for the season just gone past one team won something and one team played good football. Taking the winning team to the last gw of the season doesn't mean shit unless you win it. I don't remember any United fan ever saying we had a successful season in 11-12 despite taking it to literally the last kick of the game. 11-12 is also a good comparison because Chelsea won the FA cup but finished 6th-7th if I remember correctly, we were the better team at the time but they definitely had the more successful season.
 
Enigma_87 said:
As I said in one of the previous quotes we can't put all fans in the same bracket. There no doubt will be different opinions, I'm expressing my own and others from that circle.

I do remember finals more than season long competitions and I think it's natural most to do the same.

Out of our treble year I do remember more CL games and FA cup games more than our season form. Same in 08. I do also remember the FA cup loss when Scholes missed that peno against Arsenal, etc.
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Why are you so hung up over what you or others remember? Do you enjoy our football right now?

I don't understand why everything has to be in the future with you :lol: It's not like people go around talking about who won FA Cup 10 years ago. I'm sure if we were in Arsenal's position playing that kind of football and Arsenal were in ours, you'd most definitely agree we had the better season.

Arsenal objectively had a better season than us, and that doesn't change because some people prefer to win the FA Cup over being a top team.
 
Hypnus said:
Why are you so hung up over what you or others remember? Do you enjoy our football right now?

I don't understand why everything has to be in the future with you :lol: It's not like people go around talking about who won FA Cup 10 years ago. I'm sure if we were in Arsenal's position playing that kind of football and Arsenal were in ours, you'd most definitely agree we had the better season.

Arsenal objectively had a better season than us, and that doesn't change because some people prefer to win the FA Cup over being a top team.
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First you need to establish a criteria of what better season means, and enjoying our football isn't one, at least to me. Better season means achievements. 2nd place is not an achievement for me. Winning a cup is - it's that simple.

If you ask who is playing better football or who has better chance of winning the title next year or who you enjoy watching more - that's a subject of another thread.
 
Enigma_87 said:
We obviously see it differently and if the season was running, then yeah you'd love to be in Arsenal's shoes rather than ours, but then when all said is done and all ended it's part of history. And history doesn't remember those that came second.
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Who cares what history remembers, I remember what I remember and I'd rather remember a nice season and good feelings than a shitshow with 2 games that stand out.

You sound to me like you're hung op on trophies and titles and don't really enjoy watching your team play otherwise. Fine if it is like that, but that's not how I "do" football.
 
Enigma_87 said:
As for own fans - that Aguero moment, you remember it vividly and fondly or you don't want to get back to that memory as it's a moment you eventually lost and dust has settled long time ago?
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It's a horrible memory, but based on expectations we came closer to achieving what we set out to do that season than we did this. That's what I take out of it when the dust settles if making comparisons.

Leaving expectations aside we were of course a much better team back then and I remember that. We performed better in terms of how good we actually were.

I don't think Chelsea had a better season than us by winning the FA Cup and finishing 6th that season, but they did by winning the CL. Actually had to look up who won the FA Cup!Liverpool were apparently 8th, winning the League Cup, that wasn't better to me.
 
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RobinLFC said:
Who cares what history remembers, I remember what I remember and I'd rather remember a nice season and good feelings than a shitshow with 2 games that stand out.

You sound to me like you're hung op on trophies and titles and don't really enjoy watching your team play otherwise. Fine if it is like that, but that's not how I "do" football.
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I guess it's how I raised to be. When I played football we always strived for silverware even if it was in youth teams. When we won couple of cups and youth competitions we would have zero joy in finishing the next year second. It's the same with United. We are spoiled with the success we saw for decades so I don't enjoy 2nd place finishes.

Sure I want us to play well and exciting but that has zero to do with league position or how we asses the season.
 
Hypnus said:
Why are you talking about who will remember what in 10 years? Do you care more about other people's opinion on your team than your own? I'd much rather be a great team in this moment, competing in both Premier League and Champions League that gives me joy to watch than be a shit team all season, constantly annoyed at our performances and players only to win the FA Cup at the end of the season.

That's what's mental. Genuinely can't fathom how people prefer that.
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Why 10 years? It's perspective, no one will look back in all those years and remember 'oh wasn't it great that we were the first loser of the season but didn't we knock it about the park well'. It's all about winning trophies.

You cannot fathom how people prefer trophies? It says more about the ambition of some football fans.
 
Chipper said:
It's a horrible memory, but based on expectations we came closer to achieving what we set out to do that season than we did this. That's what I take out of it when the dust settles if making comparisons.

Leaving expectations aside we were of course a much better team back then and I remember that. We performed better in terms of how good we actually were.

I don't think Chelsea had a better season than us by winning the FA Cup and finishing 6th that season, but they did by winning the CL. Actually had to look up who won the FA Cup!Liverpool were apparently 8th, winning the League Cup, that wasn't better to me.
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As I said, obviously we have different opinions. Even when you factor the expectations. When yours are winning the league, coming 2nd, 4th of 8th is same in my books. You came short. Whether is 1 point, GD of 30 points you don't get a trophy for that (although in future you never know). You build experience, learn from your mistakes now and take it to improve in the future.

I'd take a cup win compared to couple of places higher in the league.

Obviously if you are Brighton and you finish 2nd considering you never witnessed winning the league ever it might be considered great success and better than if you win the League cup and finish 4th for example but for United? Naa.
 
It's hard because we had a bad season that ended on a real high versus Arsenal who had a great season that ended with some degree of disappointment.

2nd place is irrelevant to be honest, as long as you get CL football, it really doesn't matter if you're 2nd, 3rd or 4th, you haven't won and that's the be all and end all. That said, I do think CL football is more important, not necessarily better, than the FA cup.

I'd go with Arsenal having a better season because you have to look at seasons together not in isolation i.e. Arsenal came 2nd, played well in the CL AND also secured CL football for next year whereas we were average/poor in most things, won a great cup but only got EL football for next year.
 
F-Red said:
Why 10 years? It's perspective, no one will look back in all those years and remember 'oh wasn't it great that we were the first loser of the season but didn't we knock it about the park well'. It's all about winning trophies.

You cannot fathom how people prefer trophies? It says more about the ambition of some football fans.
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Honestly, who really gives a shit about FA Cup? It's a trophy that Portsmouth and Wigan have won in recent times, and Arsenal have won several times recently being one of the worst of the top teams in England. It's a consolation trophy. Do you think Real Madrid go around celebrating Copa de la Liga like it means much?

The irony of you talking about ambitions of football fans, yet you're happy as long as we win a domestic cup trophy.

And why are you so obsessed with what people will say in the future? It's just weird. No one will talk about Arsenal being 2nd, no one will talk about City winning the league, and no one will sure as shit talk about United winning the FA Cup in 2024 10 years from now. We were 8th in the league, behind teams like Aston Villa and Newcastle, and we got Europa League waiting for us next season, but because we won FA Cup, there is an idea that we had a better season than Arsenal. Ridiculous.

Standards are rock bottom.
 
mctrials23 said:
I think its very hard to claim you had a good season when a single victory turned it from a complete disaster to one with silverware. You simply cannot disconnect general performance, league position, european performance from the quality of your season.
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Lucky that Liverpool bus got caught in traffic for the semi final. I had almost forgotten Amad laughing himself silly. And McT heading into an empty net.
 
Hypnus said:
Honestly, who really gives a shit about FA Cup? It's a trophy that Portsmouth and Wigan have won in recent times, and Arsenal have won several times recently being one of the worst of the top teams in England. It's a consolation trophy. Do you think Real Madrid go around celebrating Copa de la Liga like it means much?

The irony of you talking about ambitions of football fans, yet you're happy as long as we win a domestic cup trophy.

And why are you so obsessed with what people will say in the future? It's just weird. No one will talk about Arsenal being 2nd, no one will talk about City winning the league, and no one will sure as shit talk about United winning the FA Cup in 2024 10 years from now. We were 8th in the league, behind teams like Aston Villa and Newcastle, and we got Europa League waiting for us next season, but because we won FA Cup, there is an idea that we had a better season than Arsenal. Ridiculous.

Standards are rock bottom.
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Leicester have won the league in even more recent times, suppose we should just bin that off too. Your post is complete rubbish. No one is happy with just an FA cup, there's a specific comparison here, an FA cup or 2nd place and no trophies. No one is saying an FA cup is as good as an epl or ucl. Read the room.

Oh and your completely wrong about no one talking about the FA cup win, it's been nearly 10 years and people still talk about LVGs FA cup win.
 
Enigma_87 said:
As I said, obviously we have different opinions. Even when you factor the expectations. When yours are winning the league, coming 2nd, 4th of 8th is same in my books. You came short. Whether is 1 point, GD of 30 points you don't get a trophy for that (although in future you never know). You build experience, learn from your mistakes now and take it to improve in the future.

I'd take a cup win compared to couple of places higher in the league.

Obviously if you are Brighton and you finish 2nd considering you never witnessed winning the league ever it might be considered great success and better than if you win the League cup and finish 4th for example but for United? Naa.
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Yes, it's all about opinions at the end of the day.

I do like the FA Cup and am glad we won it, it's put a smile on my face. I guess I see memories of a happy moment as being different than cold hard analysis of which was actually better, even if the memories of a cup win do last longer. It also does depend on the club.

It's sad, and I'm spoiled, but at the same time I know that because of the stature of our club, and the financial advantage we have over many others that our real goals are to win the Premier League and to compete well in the Champions League in the not too distant future. Coming 8th and winning the FA Cup doesn't build towards that at all. Coming a close 2nd, playing well most weeks and winning nothing does for Arsenal who have similar aims. They can now attract better players who want to play in the CL or believe that they have a good chance of winning the league the following season. They have a bit more money through future CL prize money, can likely get higher sponsorships etc. and can improve the team more to possibly help them get over the line.

For the bolded (Brighton), any cup win would be amazing for them. They've never seen their team win trophies of that magnitude and can't realistically hope to be one of the biggest teams around for a sustained period with a chance of picking up even bigger ones. Even if they came 2nd it would only be once as they'd have all their players picked off by richer clubs. It's sad that they can't aspire to greatness and it's sad that I feel we should be up there regularly if we get things right rather than everything being more open when it comes to competition. It is how football has gone when it comes to money and expectation though.

If I'm them I'd give everything for a day out at Wembley and a League Cup or FA Cup win, including relegation just like Wigan did. Our season can reasonably be seen as a failure, but it's almost the best a club like Brigton could hope for. I wish it wasn't like this, nor the way it is when comparing us with Arsenal but it's the reality of modern football finances and I can't escape it.

Before the existence of the Champions League and all the cash it provides I'd have said we had a better season than Arsenal. It would be UEFA Cup qualification for them, Cup winner's Cup for us and an actual trophy. Easily us, and the gap to bridge for us to hopefully win the title one day wouldn't feel as big as things were very different. I think it's awful the way things have gone.
 
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Hypnus said:
Honestly, who really gives a shit about FA Cup? It's a trophy that Portsmouth and Wigan have won in recent times, and Arsenal have won several times recently being one of the worst of the top teams in England. It's a consolation trophy. Do you think Real Madrid go around celebrating Copa de la Liga like it means much?

The irony of you talking about ambitions of football fans, yet you're happy as long as we win a domestic cup trophy.

And why are you so obsessed with what people will say in the future? It's just weird. No one will talk about Arsenal being 2nd, no one will talk about City winning the league, and no one will sure as shit talk about United winning the FA Cup in 2024 10 years from now. We were 8th in the league, behind teams like Aston Villa and Newcastle, and we got Europa League waiting for us next season, but because we won FA Cup, there is an idea that we had a better season than Arsenal. Ridiculous.

Standards are rock bottom.
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Really Madrid have literally had a trophy parade for the Spanish cup
 
the_cliff said:
Leicester have won the league in even more recent times, suppose we should just bin that off too. Your post is complete rubbish. No one is happy with just an FA cup, there's a specific comparison here, an FA cup or 2nd place and no trophies, which one is better.

Oh and your completely wrong about no one talking about the FA cup win, it's been nearly 10 years and people still talk about LVGs FA cup win.
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Leicester were an excellent team at the time and a season is 38 games. We are a mediocre team who wound up 8th in the league and won the FA Cup. How can you even compare winning the league to FA Cup?

Maybe you should add some context to the bolded part. Arsenal didn't end up number two the way we did with Mourinho and Ole. They were literally 2 points behind City, scored 91 goals and conceding 29, absolutely destroying opponents and playing unreal football. They are also qualified for Champions League, whereas we play in Europa League with teams like Roma, Lazio, Lille and Frankfurt next season.

We won one trophy more than them, we didn't have a better season. The key word is literally that - season.

Alex99 said:
Really Madrid have literally had a trophy parade for the Spanish cup
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Of course, it would be stupid for a club not to celebrate it, but do you really think the players care that much about the cup trophy itself? Let's say Real Madrid wound up 8th on the table behind teams like Real Betis and Real Sociedad and missed out on Champions League the following season, do you think the fans or the players would claim they had a better season than Girona simply because they won the domestic cup? They would be embarrassed and hang their heads in shame, but I guess standards lower when we witness mediocrity over such a long period of time.
 
marktan said:
Arsenal had the better season and have more to look forward to but we were more successful.
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This is just the answer and there’s no harm or controversy.

I’d have preferred to have Arsenals season. But winning the FA Cup in the manner we did, leaves us with a memorable season.

Arsenal fans will never speak about this season after next year (when it will be used as a reference point).

United fans have somehow managed to extract a trophy that becomes part of our history, while having a shockingly bad season.
 
Hypnus said:
Leicester were an excellent team at the time and a season is 38 games. We are a mediocre team who wound up 8th in the league and won the FA Cup. How can you even compare winning the league to FA Cup?

Maybe you should add some context to the bolded part. Arsenal didn't end up number two the way we did with Mourinho and Ole. They were literally 2 points behind City, scored 91 goals and conceding 29, absolutely destroying opponents and playing unreal football. They are also qualified for Champions League, whereas we play in Europa League with teams like Roma, Lazio, Lille and Frankfurt next season.

We won one trophy more than them, we didn't have a better season. The key word is literally that - season.



Of course, it would be stupid for a club not to celebrate it, but do you really think the players care that much about the cup trophy itself? Let's say Real Madrid wound up 8th on the table behind teams like Real Betis and Real Sociedad and missed out on Champions League the following season, do you think the fans or the players would claim they had a better season than Girona simply because they won the domestic cup? They would be embarrassed and hang their heads in shame, but I guess standards lower when we witness mediocrity over such a long period of time.
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Not sure if you know but Arsenal isn't the only team to ever take a title challenge to the last game week. In fact in 11-12 we took it to the last kick of the game and guess what ? I don't remember anyone saying we had a successful season or that our season was better than Chelsea's. (Who finished 6th and won the FA cup). Now if you're talking about the Carabao cup, I'd agree but the FA cup is different, it's the best domestic cup competition in world football. It has more prestige in English football than the Copa del Rey has in Spanish football, for anyone who lives in England it's a major trophy and most Arsenal fans here I know would love to have won it. In fact, it's one of the only things they brag about. We have 14, the most. etc....
 
It depends how you measure success. I'll certainly watch YouTube highlights of our FA Cup win this year in the future rather than look for clips from the years we finished second, that's for sure.
 
These would be fair objectives and targets at the beginning of last season for both Man Utd and Arsenal. In order of priority below:

1) For PL, at least finish Top 4 in the PL and qualify for next year CL
Arsenal: Check. Finish 2nd play brilliant football.
Man Utd: Fail

2) For CL, at least qualify to knock out phases of CL (clear group stage)
Arsenal: Check. Performed well and went out only narrowly at QF.
Man Utd: Fail

3) Development/Entertainment, establishing an effective style of play
Arsenal: Check. Play one of the best football in PL
Man Utd: Fail

4) Domestic cup competition, FA and League Cup.
Arsenal: Fail
Man Utd: Won FA Cup

In my opinion, Arsenal achieve more of the main targets a big football club should have. They fail only at the 4th priority whereas we failed our top 3 priorities.

IMHO, Arsenal had a much better season than us.
 
There is no simple linear line with good at one end and bad at the other, so judging good or bad can be difficult. Winning stuff is one way of measuring success, and an important one at that. In that respect, United did better. However Arsenal have established themselves as no flash in the pan. More points, more wins, more goals and a better defence than the previous season, with a squad that has plenty of years left in it. As far as a measure of overall health of the club goes, this season showed Arsenal are in a much better position than United.
 
Since we are talking about the whole season obviously Arsenal. Better Fa cup run. Man Utd. We've finished 2nd before but we were never in title race(post fergie). We used to make fun of Wenger finishing 4th and winning Fa cups galore. We had our weakest league and cl run in our history. Nobody considers one of the strongest teams in the world because we won a FA cup.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Do you remember United coming 2nd in 09/10 to Chelsea?
Do you remember United coming 2nd in 97/98 to Arsenal?

Ask some of the older fans what was our playing style in those seasons? Will people remember those details in 5-10 years of time? I seriously doubt.

It's a small club mentality. If you are Burnley and you finish 2nd surely you will remember it fondly. If you are United or Liverpool with 20 titles to your name, will you remember the 2nd places?
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I don't remember any of the 3 out of 4 FA Cups Wenger won ~10 years ago either. Don't remember who we played, where I was when we won or anything about the FA Cup competitions those years. I do remember I not feel any better about the season after the FA Cup was won in those years because the team looked miles away from competing in the league.

If being happy about a title challenge where we finish on 89 pts, only two behind the winner and with a small chance of winning the league on the last day, is a "small club mentality" then so is celebrating an FA Cup while finishing 8th in league and miles off the pace.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I don't remember any of the 3 out of 4 FA Cups Wenger won ~10 years ago either. Don't remember who we played, where I was when we won or anything about the FA Cup competitions those years. I do remember I not feel any better about the season after the FA Cup was won in those years because the team looked miles away from competing in the league.

If being happy about a title challenge where we finish on 89 pts, only two behind the winner and with a small chance of winning the league on the last day, is a "small club mentality" then so is celebrating an FA Cup while finishing 8th in league and miles off the pace.
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Each to his own I guess. As I said I remembers cup and finals more compared to being close shave against Chavs and city 10-15 years ago.
 
History will tell we had the better season but going forward Arsenal has the better projections obviously.
 
Negating the importance of the FA cup is to negate the importance of the entire football league pyramid. The PL is not the be-all and end-all of football. United won a major trophy, Arsenal didn't. Clubs are competing for silverware, not bragging rights. Sure, Arsenal are ahead in their development, but it can all change with a few key injuries, so nothing is ever certain.
 
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Each to his own I guess. As I said I remembers cup and finals more compared to being close shave against Chavs and city 10-15 years ago.
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I remember the the first of that trio because we (eventually) beat Hull to end our trophy drought and I invited a Hull fan over to mine to watch it with me and at 2-0 down it may have been the lowest moment of my life. And I remember the last against Chelsea because we were pretty big underdogs and we patched up Mertesacker for what I think may have been his only game that season.

I had to check the middle on on Wiki. Couldn't remember it at all.

I also remember Wenger's earlier FA Cups because a couple of them were part of Double seasons. I remember Vieira winning us an FA Cup with his last ever kick in our shirt. I remember losses, like dominating Liverpool but just missing out. Or Giggs slaloming through our entire team (I still shout at the TV for somebody - anybody - to foul him) and then looking on as he whipped his shirt around his head.

My memories have far more to do with the context of the situation than whether we won or not.

Frankly, if whether or not the team you support wins a trophy is the only thing that matters... why are you here? What is there to discuss? In fact, why watch games at all? Surely it would be more efficient to just have someone tell you the results.

Who cares what strangers who you'll never meet will think in 10 years time? Football is magical because at it's best it the only thing in the world that matters for 90 minutes. Here, now, in the moment.
 
padzilla said:
It depends how you measure success. I'll certainly watch YouTube highlights of our FA Cup win this year in the future rather than look for clips from the years we finished second, that's for sure.
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It's all relative, you don't win to win to have memorable moments for life, spurs fans will watch the clip of son missing that goal against city for years as the highlight of their season.
 
Daydreamer said:
Frankly, if whether or not the team you support wins a trophy is the only thing that matters... why are you here? What is there to discuss? In fact, why watch games at all? Surely it would be more efficient to just have someone tell you the results.

Who cares what strangers who you'll never meet will think in 10 years time? Football is magical because at it's best it the only thing in the world that matters for 90 minutes. Here, now, in the moment.
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Let's not move goalposts here. Question is who had a better season. To me success is measure with what you win. If you don't win anything, then the most objective thing is position in the league. But since there is name on the trophy the choice is easy.

The moment has passed the season is gone and it's part of history. Next time there is a kick off both teams start from zero points.

If the question is who is in a better position next season - that's entirely different subject and then it's different convo.
 
When Man United finish 2º and Arsenal won the FA Cup, we had the same conversation. None of them are successful enough for both clubs.
 
If we'd challenged for the title until the final day (and reached the latter rounds of the CL) but not won a cup, there'd be no debate about whether the manager should be sacked. He'd already have a new contract.

A domestic cup just doesn't nullify finishing 8th (and the appalling CL display) no matter how much some people waffle on about a trophy being all that matters
 
As a fan, I would like to be in Arsenal position, enjoying bloody football games for 90 mins in every weekend of my life for the last 10 months including big European nights during weekdays.

In addition, challenging the PL and reaching QF in CL are more success to me than winning a second rate FA Cup. There is really no comparison.

It's laughable even to think of the comparison especially Man Utd have been shockingly poor this season. We essentially just performed in 2 games in FA Cup beating Liverpool and Man City both playing negative football. Suddenly, we are more successful.
 
How is this even a thread or a debate? It's all about where each team sees themselves in their overall development. Both teams are playing in the Premier League and have 38 games to win it. I understand the trophy argument but after 38 games, how can you say the team that finished 8th had a better season than the team that finished 2nd, 2 points less than the eventual winner. It's like playing a game for 5 hours with 5 people but arguing with the 2nd place finisher that you collected more coins along the way. If your objective was coin collecting then fine but don't mask over the fact the person who came 2nd or 3rd had a better game than you. Not all 5 players can collect coins, there's a limited amount. The players who are 2nd and 3rd would obviously place more effort and value in trying to win the game, especially if there's an actual chance to win it. It's a silly argument in my opinion. Motivation is different for both clubs during the season.
 
In Redcafe, definitely Man Utd, and ETH is the best manager in EPL this season.
 
Comparisons don't work like that. They enjoyed the title challenge till the last game along with enjoying the way their team played.

We on the other hand had such a horrible season that we dreaded watching most games.
 
Carolina Red said:
He compared coming in 2nd in the league to winning the FA Cup.

You either need to do better at reading or get off the wind up that you’re on here.
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I'm not on a wind up and my reading is fine. I think. :lol:

The poster replied to my comment on how FA Cup really isn't all that (although it's obviously much better than nothing at all) and how teams like Portsmouth and Wigan have won it in recent times because most teams prioritise the league and Champions League so they often have weakened line-ups as well, and the comparison was that Leicester have won Premier League in more recent times too, as if they're somehow equal in terms of achievements or difficulty. The league is 38 games and you need to consistently be the best team in the league to win it. Leicester deservedly won it and they had several world class players in their team in Mahrez and Kanté with Vardy delivering phenomenal performances as well.

I get what he was saying, that Leicester isn't a regular top team and it was a one-off, but the difference in winning these competitions is massive in my opinion.

Apologies for making it look like a wind up. That was not my intention.
 
the_cliff said:
Not sure if you know but Arsenal isn't the only team to ever take a title challenge to the last game week. In fact in 11-12 we took it to the last kick of the game and guess what ? I don't remember anyone saying we had a successful season or that our season was better than Chelsea's. (Who finished 6th and won the FA cup). Now if you're talking about the Carabao cup, I'd agree but the FA cup is different, it's the best domestic cup competition in world football. It has more prestige in English football than the Copa del Rey has in Spanish football, for anyone who lives in England it's a major trophy and most Arsenal fans here I know would love to have won it. In fact, it's one of the only things they brag about. We have 14, the most. etc....
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I'm not sure if you forgot or if you conveniently left it out, but that season Chelsea won the Champions League. You're right that no one is saying we had a more successful season than Chelsea in 11/12, but that was not because they won FA Cup. It was because they won Champions League.
 
How is this a debate? In sports you are either first or it doesn't matter.

Why are we engaging with Arsenal/Tottenham mentality type of arguments? If they deem a trophyless season a good one - good on them, that's their standard. For Manchester United a season without a trophy is a failure. And lord knows we've had one too many of those in the past 10 years.

So, thank you very much, I'd rather have a trophy at the end of a bad season, rather than the "but we got past the group stages of the CL" medal.

Keep your participation trophies, give me silverware.
 
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