Who had the better season? Arsenal or Man utd?

It's a good windup line for Arsenal fans who've been yapping their mouths in various group chats across the world

And even a better one if they fall off from 2nd without winning a league title

That's about it
 
Arsenal.

They go into the champions league and can carry greater form into next season.
 
4 years without a trophy for them. We were reminded over and over about our trophy drought. Arsenal are entering that phase, they need to win something soon.
 
Well for big clubs trophies are what matters. City are a strong team but their squad as been overrated quite a lot, Arsenal just hasn't been good enough in any competition.
 
Arsenal. They were in a title race right up to the last day and will play Champions League football next season.
 
Arsene said it best, getting CL is a trophy. Would anyone want to swap that FA Cup for no trophy like Arsenal. Don't think so.
 
It’s a good question to ask yourselves.

Which football clubs in the UK had a better season than United? Who have had a better time and memories made this year?

Liverpool, City, Villa and Arsenal definitely. Who else wouldn’t swap their seasons for United’s record?

The last minute against Liverpool, the comeback v Villa, the win in the final. In a year of lows, we still have incredible memories and a constant chance of silverware. I think some fans would do well to remember that. We also haven’t sold our souls to do it, so there’s a lot to be said for how happy our fanbase should be.
 
Nice little wind up for Arsenal fans but they had the better season by a country mile and are the better team at this point in time.
 
No debate arsenal have challenged for the title and played good football.
 
arthurka said:
Arsene said it best, getting CL is a trophy. Would anyone want to swap that FA Cup for no trophy like Arsenal. Don't think so.
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But what about swapping the FA Cup for a title challenge till the very last game off the season? 28 won games in the league, 91 goals scored in the league while only 29 conceded? Reaching the quarter final of the CL and also playing quite good football?

Winning the FA Cup is nice but Arsenal had a better season. I think Arsenal fans enjoyed their season a lot more than Manchester United fans. Or does winning the FA Cup make up for watching many horrible games this season? Does winning the FA Cup make up for an 8th place finish and a 4th place in our CL group?
 
flappyjay said:
4 years without a trophy for them. We were reminded over and over about our trophy drought. Arsenal are entering that phase, they need to win something soon.
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Yeah next season they surely have to do something in the domestic cups. They showed this season they can juggle Premier league and CL reasonably well so it shouldn't be a stretch a couple more league cup games.

As we've seen many times winning the league cup doesn't define a season but it can be a terrific stepping stone to then kick on for last three months and win something else.
 
Tis a silly question. Arsenal had a far better season. A trophy doth not a good season make. Also, who the hell wants to watch slit your wrists football for 90% of the season with the payoff of a trophy vs exciting matches weekly, a very close run title race and a decent CL run. Anyone who thinks otherwise is frankly mad.
 
mctrials23 said:
Tis a silly question. Arsenal had a far better season. A trophy doth not a good season make. Also, who the hell wants to watch slit your wrists football for 90% of the season with the payoff of a trophy vs exciting matches weekly, a very close run title race and a decent CL run. Anyone who thinks otherwise is frankly mad.
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I get the gist of your point , but the first thing that hits me about it, is the assumption that we had /have exactly the same capability as arsenal to feature in what you describe as 'a very close title race playing exciting football with a decent CL run '

It's relative . We aren't West Ham either , but if somebody asked you , who had the most successful season exactly 1 year ago . Arsenals 2nd or West hams cup , what would your answer be ?

Perspective is required , we all want United to be fighting on all fronts whilst playing exciting football every week , but anyone who thinks we were capable of that this season or any season post Saf , is frankly mad .

For what it's worth , I think Arsenal have shown progression and are cementing their status as a serious contender. I'm sure they will be good again next season .

In 10 years time , nobody is going to be harking back to arsenals glorious ' progressive ' Arteta campaigns if there is nothing to show for it .

Progression without success is nothing . Success is success .
 
kouroux said:
You couldn't help it towards the end, could you ?
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Tbf if you were to browse through the Arteta vs ETH thread he's right. The pre-season predictions thread many had United as winners or top 3 compared to us, so based on everything and the aforementioned thread, he's not wrong.

For what its worth, I'd keep ETH, he finally started playing players in their proper positions and the team has been a bit better. Unsure where this was missing the entire season?
 
kouroux said:
You couldn't help it towards the end, could you ?
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Come on now, you have ruined all our seasons. Good job by ETH and in the end knowing he wasn’t winning much he managed to get you a major trophy. Why wouldn’t you want that to build on.
 
It’s close for me but I’d take a title race going to May next season over any other trophy
 
If we finished 5th and won the Fa cup people would be saying we’ve had a better season. More so for the fact 5th could have been good enough for champions league had it not been for English teams failing in Europe this season. So by coming 8th and winning the Fa cup it’s basically the equivalent to 5th place.
 
FootballHQ said:
Yeah next season they surely have to do something in the domestic cups. They showed this season they can juggle Premier league and CL reasonably well so it shouldn't be a stretch a couple more league cup games.

As we've seen many times winning the league cup doesn't define a season but it can be a terrific stepping stone to then kick on for last three months and win something else.
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On the contrary i think Arteta will lean even more on the PL and CL and not care that much about the cups. We've been absolutely blessed injury wise compared to everyone else.
There is a lot of positives and good signs to go into next season but i can't see us having the same luck or doing a 92/95 pts campaign. Something will have to give, be it sanctions or City dropping their level a little.
 
njred said:
Come on now, you have ruined all our seasons. Good job by ETH and in the end knowing he wasn’t winning much he managed to get you a major trophy. Why wouldn’t you want that to build on.
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Still bitter about this season? Stopped you from winning the FA. Played a part in stopping your title challenge. Of course our rival fans want ETH to stay… but your fans I’m questioning why? Klopp couldn’t beat him this year.
 
I’d rather be Arsenal and have a realistic hope that we could compete for major trophies next season.
 
r1z3mu said:
Is it even a question? One team almost won a league. Another barely qualified for CL.
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Winning is all. An FA Cup win and Europa trumps coming second and qualifying for the Champions League every day of the week. Nobody remembers second. I will always remember that FA Cup win for the rest of my life
 
Arsenal had the better season, we had the more successful season. 2 years from now Arsenal fans won't remember this season, but we will remember our FA Cup win and history would write this as our 13th FA Cup.
 
DJ_21 said:
Still bitter about this season? Stopped you from winning the FA. Played a part in stopping your title challenge. Of course our rival fans want ETH to stay… but your fans I’m questioning why? Klopp couldn’t beat him this year.
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Are you so shot that now you can’t even take a compliment?
 
I'd rather be in Arsenal's position in terms of progress.

It's great to win the FA Cup. It's been a great end to an awful season. But we are mules behind Arsenal currently
 
Kirk lazarus said:
I get the gist of your point , but the first thing that hits me about it, is the assumption that we had /have exactly the same capability as arsenal to feature in what you describe as 'a very close title race playing exciting football with a decent CL run '

It's relative . We aren't West Ham either , but if somebody asked you , who had the most successful season exactly 1 year ago . Arsenals 2nd or West hams cup , what would your answer be ?

Perspective is required , we all want United to be fighting on all fronts whilst playing exciting football every week , but anyone who thinks we were capable of that this season or any season post Saf , is frankly mad .

For what it's worth , I think Arsenal have shown progression and are cementing their status as a serious contender. I'm sure they will be good again next season .

In 10 years time , nobody is going to be harking back to arsenals glorious ' progressive ' Arteta campaigns if there is nothing to show for it .

Progression without success is nothing . Success is success .
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Exactly. You either win or you're Spurs.
 
It was more enjoyable to be an Arsenal can throughout the season but we've undoubtedly had a better season. No trophies for 2nd place, we won the FA Cup. We'll remember that final forever, what will they remember from this season?
 
We were celebrating after our final game, they were all gutted.
 
How do we get to this stage? Won a FA Cup suddenly we could have better season than Arsenal? SAF used to play the kids for FA Cup. The league and CL are always the priority.

There is no question at all which team is more successful. Arsenal was in CL quarter. Go toe to toe in the league with the *best team in the world right now (built upon 115 charges). They play brilliant football too and far better than our style of play.
 
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I don't think either set of fans would swap their seasons.

With Arsenal, they look set for the long term regardless of winning nowt. Their football is brilliant and gives them a great platform to build from.

With us, we beat our rivals - the best team in the country - in an FA Cup final. You can't trade that away even though we look far off from challenging and playing top football in the long term like Arsenal.
 
Kirk lazarus said:
It's relative . We aren't West Ham either , but if somebody asked you , who had the most successful season exactly 1 year ago . Arsenals 2nd or West hams cup , what would your answer be ?
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This is a strong point to make. If we were able to see that this Arsenal season was going to lead to something then you would say that they had a better season. If the next one turns out to be another near miss, or worse, then what was the point to it?

Arsenal's last two seasons will always be defined by disappointment. They had lofty targets, sure, but those targets were all missed. Meanwhile United had two days that will live long in the memory, and lifted two trophies.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Personally, I'd always choose winning a proper trophy above the 'top 4 trophy' that Wenger used to be mocked for but has now become a much more commonplace view. So, at the start of the season, if offered the two options, I'd personally have chosen finishing outside the top 4 but winning a major cup.
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So would you be happy if our next season goes the same way as this one? Being in the title race until the last game and playing in the CL would be a hugely bigger deal for us at this point in time. If we were an actual top side then cups would come, based on form and luck as is the case in cup competitions. It's far more important for our future to work on becoming that top side than being a cup underdog with epic wins here and there. These cup wins are sadly not an indicator of progress of getting there.
 
Kirk lazarus said:
I get the gist of your point , but the first thing that hits me about it, is the assumption that we had /have exactly the same capability as arsenal to feature in what you describe as 'a very close title race playing exciting football with a decent CL run '

It's relative . We aren't West Ham either , but if somebody asked you , who had the most successful season exactly 1 year ago . Arsenals 2nd or West hams cup , what would your answer be ?

Perspective is required , we all want United to be fighting on all fronts whilst playing exciting football every week , but anyone who thinks we were capable of that this season or any season post Saf , is frankly mad .

For what it's worth , I think Arsenal have shown progression and are cementing their status as a serious contender. I'm sure they will be good again next season .

In 10 years time , nobody is going to be harking back to arsenals glorious ' progressive ' Arteta campaigns if there is nothing to show for it .

Progression without success is nothing . Success is success .
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If you go too far that way and you end up sounding a bit like Mourinho after Sevilla, painting us a small club.

It's a bit of a mind feck to be fair. I like the FA Cup, and grew up when it was considered more important than it is by many now. I'm also mindful that you need to grateful, or retain some sort of humbleness and to a hell of a lot clubs an FA Cup win would be completely amazing.

There's many clubs out there who could only dream of winning the cup, and those teams could also only dream of finishing 2nd in the Premier League. If I'm a fan of one of those of course I'd rather win something.

At the same time I'm aware of the reality of modern football finances. We are wealthy, we have Old Trafford that is full every week and have a huge fanbase worldwide. We aspire to win the league, or at least be right up near the top of it and if we do things correctly we can be there based on that. The fact that we're not up there is disappointing.

I'm not even that interested in the Champions League as a competition when I don't think we have any chance of winning it, but am aware of the additional finances that qualifying for it by finishing 2nd would bring. Many transfer targets will want to play in that competition too, plus a 2nd place finish would make them think we can win the league in the near future and they'd want to join because of that too. Being up there attracts better players. It's much harder to go from 8th and a FA Cup to winning the PL or CL sometime in the future than it is to do it after finishing 2nd and no trophy.
 
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