I think Chicha wants to be playing week in week out, We need to be investing on a striker with more to his game. Its a nice sentiment to bring him back but i think its time for him to move on.
Which striker in the summer?
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I think Chicha wants to be playing week in week out, We need to be investing on a striker with more to his game. Its a nice sentiment to bring him back but i think its time for him to move on.
Lacazette is about the only one vaguely available with any kind of pedigree at this juncture, and the worry is that if we buy him then Rooney will play in midfield as he has to start every game if fit. I'd love to see us go for Vietto who might be happy enough to be a front 3 option while Rooney is still untouchable as he's young enough to bide his time.
If we talk about players we can get without paying insane transfer fees - it's Benteke for me.
@NL Max Was wondering if Depay ever played as a striker before or could he potentially be groomed as one if Di Maria/Mata and Januzaj all have good seasons. Normally wouldn't think it, but he's great there on FM for me always and I put him there when I have injuries (and it says he is capable of playing there)
There's a real lack of any good potential striker signing really so Van Gaal could see it as an option, using Depay as a left winger but also filling in up front and getting some games there when we need it.
Memphis has never played as a striker, he has only played as winger and mainly on the left. He is quite small (1,76m) and hasn't scored alot of headers. He certainly is strong enough, and with his freedom to roam at PSV he ended up as striker alot to finish a chance. I don't think he's really suited to it right now though, asking him to play with his back to goal isn't really his thing. He might end up as a striker in the future, but I can't see it happening next season.
I don't think van Gaal will calculate in to use him there, although when sh*t hits the fan with injuries he would be a much better option than Di Maria/Januzaj/Young because of his physical build.
Benteke or lacazette seem like the most likely candidates, I think lukaku could work well for us as well but fee would be too high.
Lukaku? We need someone to put the ball in the net
Not much talent and available options floating around this summer. Lacazette and Vietto seem our best options, i dont think we will go for one of them. I wouldnt be surprised to see us go for someone like Martinez or Bacca, some under the radar type of striker that no one has a clue about that we are even interested in them in the first place.
Nowhere near good enough as a first choice striker for me. Martinez would be a great signing IMO.
None. Do you really want Rooney playing in midfield? I don't.
No...but he's only going to decline as a forward now - not ragging on him, it is just a fact that he is getting older. We desperately need some pace and dynamism up front to compliment Rooney.
Exactly. Give Rooney another season to prove himself exclusively upfront with a better #10 and the rest of the team solidified/properly acclimatised and see if he can perform to the standard we need. If he can't, we go all in for a different striker.
Alternatively, we sign a versatile, young, dynamic forward capable of playing a lesser role or who can function on the wings as well.
Isn't that what Depay is?
I doubt it. He's not very good upfront. He could be moulded but he's better out wide with space to burst in to.
Don't really want him leading our line either...
"He is quite small (1,76m) and hasn't scored alot of headers. He certainly is strong enough, and with his freedom to roam at PSV he ended up as striker alot to finish a chance." Sounds like Aguero
Lacazette and Berahino. Wilson on loan to Bournemouth for the season
Depends what you consider insane but I think he'd cost quite a lot. Bordering £30m I reckon, don't think he's worth that really.
What are the chances of Lacazette leaving this summer?
Well he's our captain so he's going to do one or the other. Besides, we need leadership in our team and it seems he is the first man everyone turns to for inspiration in our current dressing room. Seeing as the captain starts every week, would much rather it be up front.
Seen various reports that their owner/chairman/woodward has said no chance he's going anywhere.
I really like Jese but then again he's not really proven at first team level although he rarely gets opportunities up front. He could be tempted to leave in a similar fashion of Welbeck to Arsenal.
One of Thomas M, Benzema, Lewandowski...
Kane/Müller or both
I'd like to see us for for Lacazette. Aguero for me would be the best option but let's be realistic, he won't be going anywhere, especialy not to United.
Benzema, Muller and Kane also aren't going anywhere, which pretty much leaves Lacazette, Benteke, Cavani and Berahino/Ings who imo shouldn't be considered. Ings isn't good enough while I'd let Berahino stay and prove himself 1 more year, otherwise at the moment he looks like he'll have a bright future, but we've seen too many 1 season wonders that make me take 1 good season with a pinch of salt (Kane included).
Benzema, Muller and Kane also aren't going anywhere, which pretty much leaves Lacazette, Benteke, Cavani and Berahino/Ings who imo shouldn't be considered. Ings isn't good enough while I'd let Berahino stay and prove himself 1 more year, otherwise at the moment he looks like he'll have a bright future, but we've seen too many 1 season wonders that make me take 1 good season with a pinch of salt (Kane included).
I think its a question of "Which Strikers in the Summer" - given that Falcao is off & RvP isnt up to it anymore & could be off, Chicarito will be sold also - not United quality.
That leaves us with Rooney & Wilson, but we also have Henriquez who's on loan at Zagreb & has done brilliantly - 25 goals in 30 games or something, but word on the street is that United are off-loading him, with Zagreb havin a deal in place if we agree to it.
Realistic Strikers: Jackson Martinez might be a good signing (maybe a great signing), aswell as yer man Lacazette. I also wouldnt be downbeat about gettin Benteke either - he's definitely got something about him.
Not all three of course, but we need to bring in 2 Strikers & those three are my off-the-top-of-my-head possibilities. Other than that - i'm at a loss who we should go for tbh.
As a plan B - bring Ronnie back
That leaves us with Rooney & Wilson, but we also have Henriquez who's on loan at Zagreb & has done brilliantly - 25 goals in 30 games or something, but word on the street is that United are off-loading him, with Zagreb havin a deal in place if we agree to it.
Realistic Strikers: Jackson Martinez might be a good signing (maybe a great signing), aswell as yer man Lacazette. I also wouldnt be downbeat about gettin Benteke either - he's definitely got something about him.
Not all three of course, but we need to bring in 2 Strikers & those three are my off-the-top-of-my-head possibilities. Other than that - i'm at a loss who we should go for tbh.
As a plan B - bring Ronnie back
With respect, how many he has scored for Zagreb is about as meaningful as how many Adam Rooney has scored for Aberdeen.
If Beneteke is being seriously considered as an option I'd rather stick with what we have. He's nowhere near good enough.
So you're saying we should buy Adam Rooney?
I'd go for someone like Muller or Bale (who apparently wants to be played more centrally) that could play anywhere in our front 3.
With Rooney being captain and the value that LVG puts on that, Rooney will play whenever fit. If we get a proper #9 like Lewandowski or Benzema that means Rooney will get thrown into midfield and it becomes a case of strengthen the striker position but weaken midfield. If we got Muller or Bale, they can play out wide and be cover in case Rooney gets injured.
With Rooney being captain and the value that LVG puts on that, Rooney will play whenever fit. If we get a proper #9 like Lewandowski or Benzema that means Rooney will get thrown into midfield and it becomes a case of strengthen the striker position but weaken midfield. If we got Muller or Bale, they can play out wide and be cover in case Rooney gets injured.
No! One Rooney is enough.
The more I think about it the more I think its a great idea. Would confuse the shit out of opposition markers on set pieces
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Oh, i know what you're sayin Sparky - totally agree man, but i'm just alluding to the fact that he's done well & is obviously capable of finishing off moves. It is a shit-standard league of course.
I just checked out a tube vid compilation of his for this season & it didnt exactly get the heart-strings pulling. The defending is pathetic to say the least, but he scored a few nice goals & had some tidy finishes. Ronnie would probably score over a 100 goals in one season in that league though - judging by the near 6min clips.
If Rooney wasnt at United - where's the heartbeat (apart from Carrick & Dave)?
He's been played outta position for years man, because we've never got the quality players in to play those roles. F*ckin rediculous for a club of United's size & it does my head in. Play Rooney as a center-forward & fill the feckin gaps around him & we'll see what he's capable off - instead of all this covering every inch of grass bollox.
Love him or hate him - we'd be spineless without him!
I like your style Soap
Just to be clear, when I said "one Rooney is enough" I meant Wayne, not Adam!If Rooney wasnt at United - where's the heartbeat (apart from Carrick & Dave)?
That said, I think the old dog needs a young pup snapping at his heels and giving him a new lease of life!
Ronaldo will come back as soon as he's beaten Raul's record, hopefully he can do it by the end of August, otherwise it'll be January.
Wrong choice of words then eh?!
Yeah, he needs someone to shine with - much like he had during RvP's 1st season with us..
Icardi or Lacazette would be perfect......Muller or Kane would be insane but they won't come.......If we can't get any of those then I'd prefer to have Benteke in than no one else as at least he is at a good age to make an impact...I don't think he is utd quality but he might be the best we can get over the summer
If Lacazette would also be happy playing from the right he'd be my #1 choice. The big problem is Rooney being untouchable, it means if RvP is sold then in a one striker system we need an older paycheck merchant like Bacca or a younger striker who'll be happy just to get into the fold like...........well, Berahino I guess. As the likelihood is that whoever we sign they'll be mostly back ups.
Thats the ultimate muppet dream FT
Ronnie aint leaving til he breaks that record & he's only 10 behind Raul too; but Raul played 741 games to achieve 323 goals, whereas Ronnie's scored 313 in 300 games. Unbelievable shit right there.
Its just mental goal-scoring from Ronnie - more than a goal per game. Actual goal scoring ratio per games between Ronnie & Raul is - Raul: 0.44 goals per game & Ronnie: 1.04 goals per game - more than double the ratio & with Ronnie only having played 40.5% of the number of games Raul needed to achieve his record.
When you look at the goal-scoring stats between Ronnie & Raul - Ronnie's so close to beatin Rual's record in all comps (bar the Copa del Rey, where Raul doesnt hold that record).
Ronnie's only 3 behind Raul in the league (228/225), 4 behind Raul in Europe (66/62) & he's 3 ahead in the Copa del Rey (21/18), but Puskás & Santillana have both scored 49 in the Copa dl Rey.
It doesnt bode well for us Reds that Ronnie will be back at United anytime soon, if he wants to claim the goal-scoring charts in all comps for Real.
If wants to break/smash all the records at Real (not just Raul's), then the Copa del Rey is something that will take him years to achieve - if he even gets close.
He's 28 goals behind Puskás & Santillana & thats a shitload in one cup competition to make up. You could get knocked out in the 1st round & then its an opportunity lost & season-long wait to make up ground!
Lets just hope that Ronnie's only interested in being Real's all-time goal scorer, because Raul's "other" goals i.e friendlies, are included in his overall total of 323.
So with that being said FT, your muppet dream & ours also of course, could have legs man. There's plenty of friendlies that Ronnie could spunk a shitload of goals in & La Liga starts a week earlier next season (15th August) due to the Euro's next Summer, where La Liga finishes earlier so the national team have more time to prepare for it.
So he could grab a few goals there aswell & Voila - record broke & he's back home at United before the transfer deadline closes.
Caf muppetry at its finest
http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/25/crist...th-manchester-united-over-shock-move-5214642/
Basically metro quoting a journo on Spanish radio saying mended has sounded out United in case Ronaldo becomes available over the Summer.
Basically metro quoting a journo on Spanish radio saying mended has sounded out United in case Ronaldo becomes available over the Summer.
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