Which of our player's fit Amorim's style/tactics particularly well or poorly?

I don't know if Ruby likes to give young players opportunity but it would be great if Amass can get a go as a LWB. Despite some of his defensive frailties I was impressed with him during the preseason. I think he can shine in that LWB role, atleast during the attacking phase of play as I found his ability on the ball to be excellent. Keeping my fingers crossed for him.

Yeah that’s the only criticism I have for EtH regarding the youth. Was kind of thinking that RvN would give him a go on Wednesday.
 
I genuinely think that Amorim first meeting with the players will be to show and describe the current weaknesses of United!

The reason why they can’t score more than 1 to 1.5 league goals per game over the last 3-4 years, the reason why they concede more than 1.2-1.3 goals and this stats will always mean that they are 4th to 8th and can not enjoy their football in the PL because the team is always under pressure!

He will say I had the same problem at sporting and even in his first season he won the Portuguese league, his team was far from free scoring they won the league with 65 goals scored from 34 games, 1.91 goals per game!

However his squad bought into his methods and last year they scored 94 goals from 34 games or 2.76 goals per game and this season they have 27 from 9 games or 3 goals per game. He’s going show them how his system produces wining football, but every single player in the squad has to buy into it and work hard.

Ruben Amorim System is 3421, sometimes 343 or 3412, he can tinker with the front three but not very often, he never tinkers with the 3 in defence, the 4 in the second line and he’s happy to play a winger as a wing back on one side but not both unless he expects to batter the opposition. His biggest asset is he’s incredibly flexible with that system to try and nullify the opposition so when he attacks, it becomes more like a 1325 where the keeper comes high near the CB’s, this then develops to a 3-3-5 as a CB moves into Midfield and the keeper moves into a sweeper role.

I think he’ll want as many as 5/6 new players with 2 in January and 3/4 in the summer to implement his style of football. I’m going to list players that I think he will want and who might be sold to help facilitate these transfers.

Players Out.
Antony(£20m)
M Rashford (£60m)
J Evans (Retired)
C Eriksen (Free)
Casemiro (£20m)
T Mallacia (£5m)
J Sancho (£25m)
Ok they are not all going in winter window but I expect all of them to be gone by Summer 2025.

Players in
Victor Gyokeres (£65m)
A Fernandez (£16m)

A Gomes (Free)
J Branthwaite or M Gheui (£60m)
M Hjulmand (£50m)
C Rigg (£25m)

Net Spend of £95-100m

We can’t sell Shaw, no one will take him on his wages, V Lindelof will get a new contract as he’ll be perfect in a back 3 as back up to Lenny Yoro and I can see a lot of youth maybe featuring.

Amorim’s preferred Squad

First 11. Alternative 11
Onana A Bayinder
L Yoro. V Lindelof / N Mazraoui
M De Ligt. H Maguire
J Branthwaite. L Martinez/ L Shaw

D Dalot N Mazroui
M Hjulmand. M Ugarte /T Collyer
K Mainoo. A Gomes/D Gore
A Fernandes L Shaw/H Amass

Bruno. M Mount/C Rigg
Garnaucho J Zirkzee/ S Lacey

V Gyokeres. R Hojlund/Wheatley/COM


Maybe we sign none of these players maybe we sign 1 or 2 but players like Marcus who I love and still defend him!

I just can’t see where he or Garnaucho will feature in this formation, I hope to be proven wrong. One signing is absolutely necessary, however is our first signing on January 1 must be a left footed wing/left back.
No one is paying 60m for rashford

Given the salary he is on we would be lucky to get 30m
 
Like I said, Martinez has the ability to play there. Whether he will is up to Amorin. The only advantage of playing him at the LCB is simply because he's left footed.

He's not really a sweeper/organiser type but if anything it makes sense for him to play as the central defender because he won't get as exposed in the wider channels. Also as you say, if the passing is that important from that central area, it would be silly to play anyone else there like de Ligt, Yoro (very green and unknown quantity) or the other defenders who are levels below Martinez.

Anyways let's revisit this is 6 months as one other poster put it.
Makes sense. I do think the calculus changes significantly in terms of on-ball ability if Martinez is the central CB.

Happy to put a pin in it for the moment - genuinely enjoyed discussing with you!
 
I think the reality is a large number of the players are not going to cut it in the medium and longer term. Much like we have seen at City, Arsenal and Liverpool recently it’s about making most of what you have whilst you oversee a rebuild.

Maguire, Lindelof, Eriksen, Evans and Casemiro are all going to go either this summer or next summer because of their contracts, Shaw and Malacia can’t be relied on and Antony is a lost cause so there is going to continue to be a lot of turnover in the squad for a few years.
 
Hojlund
Bruno - Mount
Garnacho - Ugarte - Mainoo - Dalot​

Yeah, if Mount can get fit (big if I know), suddenly he becomes brilliant fit for that iniside forward position as he played best football of his career there. And can play alongside Bruno without problem. With a solid back 3, that looks pretty damn good on paper both in terms of pressing/attacking threat. There is also Amad in the mix.

Reckon Rashford is toast (Rojo type).
 
I don't think we have the players to play with his preferred tactical setup.
Højlund can play the Gyökeres role and we have decent/good options to play a 3 CB setup but we lack the midfield depth. Ugarte and Mainoo work but if either of them gets injured, we are pretty much screwed (unless Casemiro gets his form back) and we have no great options in the wings besides Garnacho.
 
When Portugal play 4-3-3 does Fernandes play on the right of the midfield 3 or forward 3?

To make our new potential 3-4-3 work, which leaves less defensive exposure then Fernades should be forming a front 3 with Garnacho and Hojlund if we don't want to leave large gaps in midfield?
 
Hojlund
Bruno - Mount
Garnacho - Ugarte - Mainoo - Dalot​

Yeah, if Mount can get fit (big if I know), suddenly he becomes brilliant fit for that iniside forward position as he played best football of his career there. And can play alongside Bruno without problem. With a solid back 3, that looks pretty damn good on paper both in terms of pressing/attacking threat. There is also Amad in the mix.

Reckon Rashford is toast (Rojo type).

Agreed with this, seems tailor made for Mount right? He excels in that role in half spaces, whilst having Bruno, he doesn't need to create loads. Perhaps this might be a midfield for the bigger games and in games at home Bruno / Mount rotate whilst having more of an attacking player in that position? Say a Amad? Who can play inside forward.

Rashford will struggle as he can only play the 9 in this formation I feel.
 
I don't think we have the players to play with his preferred tactical setup.
Højlund can play the Gyökeres role and we have decent/good options to play a 3 CB setup but we lack the midfield depth. Ugarte and Mainoo work but if either of them gets injured, we are pretty much screwed (unless Casemiro gets his form back) and we have no great options in the wings besides Garnacho.

To the contrary, I think we have the players to play his system.

Hojlund can play the Gyokeres role like you have said, Bruno / Mount / Amad / Antony can all play the inside forward roles.

Ugarte and Mainoo can play, Casemiro has shown he can also play with Ugarte in that role. Wing backs, we can use one defensive wingback (Maz / Dalot) whilst having an attacking one the other side. Garnacho and maybe Antony can play there?

Obviously, we have to sign 2/3 players that can aid this but for this season, I think we have enough.

Also, I reckon a Toby Collyer can be moulded in the CM role in the Europa games?
 
Agreed with this, seems tailor made for Mount right? He excels in that role in half spaces, whilst having Bruno, he doesn't need to create loads. Perhaps this might be a midfield for the bigger games and in games at home Bruno / Mount rotate whilst having more of an attacking player in that position? Say a Amad? Who can play inside forward.

Rashford will struggle as he can only play the 9 in this formation I feel.

Watched Mount a lot when he played that position under Tuchel just behind Werner who was making numerous off the ball runs. And he was impressive. Great movement to get into dangerous positions opened by Werner, linked defence with the attack, fantastic engine to press, didn't dwell on the ball... For a while he looked, only behind Kante, as their best player. He is pretty much the system player and hopefully we will finally get a proper system. For the job he has done so far and all the mindless chasing we could have bought my dog (price would still be steep, mind you).

Of course, there are massive question marks over his fitness and can he get back to that level considering all the setbacks. Atm, there is an equal chance he gets sold after this season. But this is more of a reminder that there are players who could (and probably will) thrive in the new system. As you say, if not Mount then Amad could do a good job there and I think we might get surprised by few other players.

I also don't think that Amorim would take his first top job midway through the season if he thought he couldn't get a solid tune out of this team.
 
When Portugal play 4-3-3 does Fernandes play on the right of the midfield 3 or forward 3?

To make our new potential 3-4-3 work, which leaves less defensive exposure then Fernades should be forming a front 3 with Garnacho and Hojlund if we don't want to leave large gaps in midfield?
Generally Bruno has lined up as the right 8 to keep him away from Ronaldo whose tendency has always been to drop into the left channel from striker. Of course this puts him right into Bernardo Silva's zone which is just one of the many reasons why Portugal have squandered this world class generation.
 
No one is paying 60m for rashford

Given the salary he is on we would be lucky to get 30m
Given the fact he’s got 4 years left in his contract and PSG are big fans and made us pay £50m Ugarte, they’ll pay £60m for him no problem!
 
Gonna tell you one thing: he is not going to play with 3 CBs and 2 lateral defenders at Manchester United. Not going to happen.
 
Do you think Dalot and Mazraoui are good wing backs?
Mazraoui is very good technically, Dalot has good physical attributes like pace and endurance. Whether either will have the attacking output you'd hope for in that position will be the big question mark I think.
 
People still rate Mount ? Man cant stay fit for more than 3 games in a row.
Yeah, there's always a list of players at a club who due to injuries have ceased to be physically capable of being a regular at Premier League level. Ours are Shaw, Malacia and Mount. They need moving on really, irrespective of how good we think they could potentially be.
 
Given the fact he’s got 4 years left in his contract and PSG are big fans and made us pay £50m Ugarte, they’ll pay £60m for him no problem!
Sure, can't fault that logic

The four year contract on a massive salary basically just means he isn't going anywhere anytime soon
 
The hot counter offers fantastic value. It's the one reason to go there.

If we do knock OT down and convert it to a Morrisons though, will our catering staff be trusted to cook several hundred whole chickens a day to juicy perfection? I would guess not.

Asda is, therefore, the better fit.
:lol: Ok makes sense.
 
Does it really need saying that a player’s transfer fee is an awful proxy for how good they are?

Have a look at the Bayern sub on Reddit for when his move was being confirmed. Not only did many people say he was their best defender, they couldn’t believe was going for so cheap.

There are loads of things that affect a player’s price, beyond quality. Their age, contract length, desire to leave and both the financial needs and squad composition of the selling club are just as important.
Yes, the transfer fee can be affected by the player's age, the length of his contract and his performances. De Ligt is 25, the best age for a football player, so age cannot be the reason of his discounted price at all. In fact quite opposite, a 25 years old player should be at his prime, his value should be higher than before. He had 2 years left of his contract so contract length also cannot be the reason for the decline. He isn't injury prone, so that can be ruled out as a reason too. And remember what Max Eberl, the sport director of Bayern Munich said. He was actually happy to see him go as "his play isn't aggressive enough" and de Ligt went down the pecking order. So we're talking about facts. And he played even better in Munich than in Torino, where De Ligt at Juve was above average at best. Unfortunately he never could maintain focus for 90 min of defending, made silly mistakes, i saw that, i've got Juve supporter friends we watched a lot of Juve matches together in a pub. But anyway, try to think logically. If he was THAT good in Torino, why did they sell him at the age of 22 just to loose 20 million euros? If he was THAT good in Munich, why did they sell him at the age of 25 just to loose more than 20 million euros? Usually, if you have such a young player who performs well you offer a contract extension 2-3 years before his contract runs out rather than selling him a lot cheaper.
 
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Yes, the transfer fee can be affected by the player's age, the length of his contract and his performances. De Ligt is 25, the best age for a football player, so age cannot be the reason of his discounted price at all. In fact quite opposite, a 25 years old player should be at his prime, his value should be higher than before. He had 2 years left of his contract so contract length also cannot be the reason for the decline. He isn't injury prone, so that can be ruled out as a reason too. And remember what Max Eberl, the sport director of Bayern Munich said. He was actually happy to see him go as "his play isn't aggressive enough" and de Ligt went down the pecking order. So we're talking about facts. And he played even better in Munich than in Torino, where De Ligt at Juve was above average at best. Unfortunately he never could maintain focus for 90 min of defending, made silly mistakes, i saw that, i've got Juve supporter friends we watched a lot of Juve matches together in a pub. But anyway, try to think logically. If he was THAT good in Torino, why did they sell him at the age of 22 just to loose 20 million euros? If he was THAT good in Munich, why did they sell him at the age of 25 just to loose more than 20 million euros? Usually, if you have such a young player who performs well you offer a contract extension 2-3 years before his contract runs out rather than selling him a lot cheaper.
De Ligt asked to leave Juve as he wasn't happy and said he wouldn't sign a new contract. So the transfer price was affected by that. They took the first good offer they got. The fact they wanted to extend his contract, suggests his performances weren't poor.

Bayern sold him cheap because he had a big salary bill and they wanted him off the books, and they were well stocked in that position. The fact that so many fans rated him as their best defender suggests his performances weren't poor.

Not to mention the fact that the transfer fees aren't even that different. They vary from 50m to 80m Euros, which are all in the same ballpark. They're then modified by the specifics of the situation each time. Its not like he's gone from 80m to 10m.

This is why the entire premise of using transfer fees for judging a player is flawed from the start. In this case, you're taking your personal opinion, and using a flawed premise to justify it. Which is why, to make it work, you're having to ignore so many factors.

If you want to talk about his performances, look at his stats across the clubs, and show that he's a poor defender that way. Transfer fees remain a bad way of trying to prove that point.
 
Mazraoui is very good technically, Dalot has good physical attributes like pace and endurance. Whether either will have the attacking output you'd hope for in that position will be the big question mark I think.

Agree. In particular, I find it it hard to envision Mazraoui being a dynamic attacking wing back, given how attack-oriented Amorim seems to be in his definition of that position. As for our remaining FBs, I would question if Shaw can deal with the physical demands, while Malacia surely is at best a project, given how long he's been out and his limitations and level of development even before he was injured.

This looks to me the most like the position that would be in need of investment, unless one or more of our wingers prove convertible. Garnacho looks like the most promising to me. Antony perhaps, but for the general issues of simply lacking quality. I think Rashford is fundamentally unsuited, and also it's hard to see Amad being physically up to it.
 
Pretty much this. This isn't the thread for a total takedown of the prior manager, but his wingers let him down to one degree or another.

Who I don't see fitting in well at all is Rashford but I could be wrong about that. As disappointing as Zirkzee was under the previous manager, I can see him thriving under the new manager.
I think Rashford could be used either as a striker, or together with Bruno behind the striker, mining the left channel. But I guess it depends on specifically what Amorim wants from his players in those positions, and on overall team balance. The player I have a hard time fitting in anywhere is Mazraoui. And of course there's more than a few where it's a question of quality and overall suitability.

All in all, the fit between squad and formation actually seems a good deal better than I would have thought, at least on the fairly generic level that it's possible for fans to consider it. I'm not generally fond of 3 at the back - it always tends to be a little too much of a control-oriented approach. But in this case I must admit it seems appealing, and I'm rather excited to see how it'll work.
 
Agree. In particular, I find it it hard to envision Mazraoui being a dynamic attacking wing back, given how attack-oriented Amorim seems to be in his definition of that position. As for our remaining FBs, I would question if Shaw can deal with the physical demands, while Malacia surely is at best a project, given how long he's been out and his limitations and level of development even before he was injured.

This looks to me the most like the position that would be in need of investment, unless one or more of our wingers prove convertible. Garnacho looks like the most promising to me. Antony perhaps, but for the general issues of simply lacking quality. I think Rashford is fundamentally unsuited, and also it's hard to see Amad being physically up to it.
I think Amad and Rashford can only play as forwards imo. Amad simply doesn't have the engine to be charging up and down the flank all day. Rashford does but getting him to defend would take hypnotic therapy I suspect. He just doesn't want to do it and lacks the aggression anyway.
 
Hojlund
Bruno - Mount
Garnacho - Ugarte - Mainoo - Dalot​

Yeah, if Mount can get fit (big if I know), suddenly he becomes brilliant fit for that iniside forward position as he played best football of his career there. And can play alongside Bruno without problem. With a solid back 3, that looks pretty damn good on paper both in terms of pressing/attacking threat. There is also Amad in the mix.

Reckon Rashford is toast (Rojo type).
Agreed. For once, i can see how Mount could fit in United best XI. Amad and, imho, Mainoo could easily fill in also.
 
Gyokeres/ST
Hojlund
Zirkzee

Bruno Garnacho
Mount Rashford

Mazraoui Ugarte Mainoo Dalot
Shaw Casemiro Eriksen Mazraoui

Martinez De Ligt Yoro
Evans Maguire Lindelof

Onana
Altay

I now think our summer signings were signed for Amorim and that he was going to join us in the summer. Mazraoui, Ugarte, De Ligt and Yoro are all players that can suit a 343. We also were looking for a another striker and Toney and Calvert Lewin were linked even after we signed Zirkzee.

I believe the bolded players will be the first priorities to be moved on. I think this is also why we're were so linked with Branthwaite, as the move to 343 has been in the planning but our poor start to this season means it's happening now and not in the summer when United and Amorim wanted it to happen.

In January or the summer we could be going for 3 starting calibre players for LWB, RW and ST.

We will also then look to replace Casemiro, Eriksen, Evans and Lindelof with squad players for CDM, CM, LCB and RCB.

It makes the clear out in the summer make even more sense now. They were clearing out the space for new Amorim future signings.

It feels like we're on the verge of becoming a serious team with the starting CBs now being here with Ugarte and Mainoo to settle in front of them.

A new wingback and attacker will be needed but that's what the next transfer windows will be there for. Amorim doesn't seem the type to accept a player that doesn't make sense for his system, so the next signings should complete the squad for two players in each position of the 3421 system.

Exciting times.
 
There isn't a single player other than maybe Garnacho & Mainoo that I'd create a play style around. If a coach is successful with a certain style, fit the players that work in it and bench the rest.

In my opinion, you're overrating Garnacho. Guy is not that special, relatively speaking. He's a promising young player with potential, but with holes in his game like most young players, and without any single attribute that is already elite level. Not someone you build a Manchester United team around.
 
Goalkeeper -> Onana will be the number 1, certainly. I would expect Altay as a backup as well.

Right Center-Back -> I think Lindelof will enjoy a second life with Amorim and that will surprise a lot of fans. Dalot can play here as well.
Middle Center-Back -> I think De Ligt and Yoro will be options for this position. People keep mentioning Yoro to play RCB, I believe he has no chance of playing there, he's too simple/practical on the ball, not creative enough in the buildup possession.
Left Center-Back -> Martinez is in theory a good option, but he's not exactly a classy playmaker like the coach appreciates. Maybe we'll see some signing here... like Inacio or something

Right-wing -> Diallo is probably gonna thrive here. Dalot and Mazraoui are not pure dribblers or great 1x1 offensive devils, so it might be hard for them to escape the back three. Unless...
Left-wing -> It might sound weird, but I'm 99% sure Garnacho will end up here. So there's a chance Ruben ends up playing with a more deffensive RW (Dalot or Mazraoui), someone who can join the back three when the team loses the ball and has to defend a counter-attack, making a 4-back line and allowing Garnacho to stay more upfront. He has used this strategy sometimes at Sporting, this would mean that while the team would attack in a expected way, it would defend with a back four line (back three + right wingback), 4 guys in an intermediary line (Garnacho left, the right forward on the right and 2 midlefields in the center) leaving left forward (Bruno) and the striker upfront. Shaw or Malacia as backup I would say.

Defensive midlefield -> Ugarte will thrive. I'm curious if Casemiro is staying another year as a backup or if Amorim will sign some younger DM.
Central midlefield -> Kobbie Maino will probably be a starter and will fit well. I would expect a signing here to add another player to KM.

Right forward -> Here, no one fits very well. Antony I'm pretty sure will be released. Maybe we see Mason Mount having a second life as a backup? At least one signing for sure, maybe even 2.
Left forward -> Bruno will play that 10 position, leaving the left flank for Garnacho and playing in a more inside central offensive midlefield position. Maybe Rashford will stay? I I think Sancho would have a word to say if he had stayed.

Striker -> I wouldn't expect great changes here. I think Hojlund will be the bet for main striker and Zirkzee as his backup.

So basically I would expect these signings for sure, between january and the summer market:
-> LCB
-> CM
-> Left-footed offensive middlefield/interior winger (big signing; someone with Foden or Palmer's carachteristics)

And these maybe (or not):
-> Deffensive middlefield
-> Another left-footed offensive middlefield/right interior forward
-> Right-footed offensive middlefield/right interior forward

I would bet on something like this:

GK - Onana (Altay)

RCB - Lindelof (Dalot/Mazraoui)
MCB -> De Ligt (Yoro)
LCB -> Martinez (Signing)

RW -> Dalot/Mazraoui (Diallo) -> very different options for different games and oponents
LW -> Garnacho (Shaw/Malacia) -> the same from above

DM -> Ugarte (Casemiro or signing)
CM -> Maino (Signing)

ROM -> Signing (Mount)
LOM -> Bruno F. (Rashford or signing)

ST -> Hojlund (Zirkzee)

For each of the wings, one more offensive option (Diallo right, Garnacho left), one more deffensive option that allows the guy from the opposite flank to not focus so much on deffending (Dalot & Shaw/Malacia)
 
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Whilst a lot of our players may not be natural fits, I'd hope Amorim would be able to coach them into fitting his tactical system? Isn't that what a manager (head coach, whatever he's called), is supposed to do?

Though it hasn't happened so much recently, historically we've had loads of players shift around and be coached into new roles and responsibilities.
 
Goalkeeper -> Onana will be the number 1, certainly. I would expect Altay as a backup as well.

Right Center-Back -> I think Lindelof will enjoy a second life with Amorim and that will surprise a lot of fans. Dalot can play here as well.
Middle Center-Back -> I think De Ligt and Yoro will be options for this position. People keep mentioning Yoro to play RCB, I believe he has no chance of playing there, he's too simple/practical on the ball, not creative enough in the buildup possession.
Left Center-Back -> Martinez is in theory a good option, but he's not exactly a classy playmaker like the coach appreciates. Maybe we'll see some signing here... like Inacio or something

Right-wing -> Diallo is probably gonna thrive here. Dalot and Mazraoui are not pure dribblers or great 1x1 offensive devils, so it might be hard for them to escape the back three. Unless...
Left-wing -> It might sound weird, but I'm 99% sure Garnacho will end up here. So there's a chance Ruben ends up playing with a more deffensive RW (Dalot or Mazraoui), someone who can join the back three when the team loses the ball and has to defend a counter-attack, making a 4-back line and allowing Garnacho to stay more upfront. He has used this strategy sometimes at Sporting, this would mean that while the team would attack in a expected way, it would defend with a back four line (back three + right wingback), 4 guys in an intermediary line (Garnacho left, the right forward on the right and 2 midlefields in the center) leaving left forward (Bruno) and the striker upfront. Shaw or Malacia as backup I would say.

Defensive midlefield -> Ugarte will thrive. I'm curious if Casemiro is staying another year as a backup or if Amorim will sign some younger DM.
Central midlefield -> Kobbie Maino will probably be a starter and will fit well. I would expect a signing here to add another player to KM.

Right forward -> Here, no one fits very well. Antony I'm pretty sure will be released. Maybe we see Mason Mount having a second life as a backup? At least one signing for sure, maybe even 2.
Left forward -> Bruno will play that 10 position, leaving the left flank for Garnacho and playing in a more inside central offensive midlefield position. Maybe Rashford will stay? I I think Sancho would have a word to say if he had stayed.

Striker -> I wouldn't expect great changes here. I think Hojlund will be the bet for main striker and Zirkzee as his backup.

So basically I would expect these signings for sure, between january and the summer market:
-> LCB
-> CM
-> Left-footed offensive middlefield/interior winger (big signing; someone with Foden or Palmer's carachteristics)

And these maybe (or not):
-> Deffensive middlefield
-> Another left-footed offensive middlefield/right interior forward
-> Right-footed offensive middlefield/right interior forward

I would bet on something like this:

GK - Onana (Altay)

RCB - Lindelof (Dalot/Mazraoui)
MCB -> De Ligt (Yoro)
LCB -> Martinez (Signing)

RW -> Dalot/Mazraoui (Diallo) -> very different options for different games and oponents
LW -> Garnacho (Shaw/Malacia) -> the same from above

DM -> Ugarte (Casemiro or signing)
CM -> Maino (Signing)

ROM -> Signing (Mount)
LOM -> Bruno F. (Rashford or signing)

ST -> Hojlund (Zirkzee)

For each of the wings, one more offensive option (Diallo right, Garnacho left), one more deffensive option that allows the guy from the opposite flank to not focus so much on deffending (Dalot & Shaw/Malacia)

Martínez can outpass almost any centre back in the world, Inácio included IMO. The issue with him will be in my opinion that he's not suited to be a wide defender. His limbs are too short, and he's not quick enough to eat up big spaces quickly. We saw how big of a problem this can become in the game vs Porto, although it isn't his fault that he was put into such an exposed situation when his skillset is totally different. However, his in-possession qualities like line breaking passes, etc. won't be a problem. If anything, they will be the reason Amorim will try to find a place for him in the XI IMO. However, I can't consider him for the CCB role (despite him having the best and most passing angles in the centre) when the squad already contains two of the best CCBs around in Maguire and De Ligt. Martínez is not in this bracket, he's far from it, overall.

Yoro will have to play LCB or RCB because he's by far the most qualified for the wide defender role from all of our defenders, whereas De Ligt and Maguire can only play CCB, and I think one of them will always start, but both of them never will unless an injury crisis happens.

Lindelöf or anyone else in the squad cannot cover big areas and eat up big spaces quickly like Yoro can. Funnily enough it's probably Evans after him that's the best at this. I'm certain that Amorim won't put two slow defenders around De Ligt / Maguire in the centre of the defense. Any PL team will destroy us on transitions that way. I expect Yoro to be our starting RCB with Evans and Lindelöf being his back-ups in that position.

Yoro is also the best suited CB we have to help out De Ligt / Maguire with his recovery pace if they make an aggressive interception but don't win the ball, etc.

I agree that an LCB is going to be signed in one of the next 2 transfer windows, and it will be another space-eater like Yoro, probably Branthwaite.

However, I'm not sure what you mean by a "Palmer or Foden type" right forward. They're two completely different players and I think they thrive in different circumstances as well.

Someone like Foden next to Bruno, but behind the striker, could be useful to us in theory, because their very good ball striking could often be taken advantage of, if our right hand side and players around him generally, was set up to make space for him, so they can receive, turn, and shoot in favorable zones with enough time on the ball. Also, someone like Bruno could definitely give this player great chances on a silver platter on a regular basis. Hojlund's hold-up play and channel running capabilities could also come in handy, as well as the overlapping wing-back which is a role that Dalot and Mazraoui could both fill to a decent level IMO.

Palmer, on the other hand, is someone you want to give the ball to, because his passing range is excellent and he can also carry the ball much better and over bigger distances than someone like Foden...although we sort of already have Rashford for these things I listed, and I personally think Bruno is a better and more creative final third passer than Palmer is, but Palmer has the better passing range generally, and better diagonals.

In all honesty, I'd love Mount to become a viable option for this role, because he's our best off-ball player IMO with his excellent work-rate and disciplined pressing game. He's also a good striker of the ball, so we could create plenty of situations for him as well, where he just needs to put the ball into the net from a good chance.

(But there are surely some interesting options on the market too)
 
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Left-wing -> It might sound weird, but I'm 99% sure Garnacho will end up here.
I originally thought the same, but the issue is that Garnacho is right footed. I'm guessing that Amorim plays his wingbacks on the same side as their dominant foot? Obviously you're in a much better position to know that though, so maybe I'm wrong. I see you've put Amad Diallo on the right, where once again he's actually a leftfooter (and I suspect won't be physical enough to play that role)
 
I expect Mount will play a lot of football if and when he’s fit. The latter being unlikely given his recent history.
 
I also think Dalot would be a better right sided central defender than any of the options at the club. I think he’d be better there than he would as a wing back, too.

He’s very good on the ball and can pick a pass well. His brain often leaves him behind, but physically he’d be an asset in that space. Think Kyle Walker for England when he’s played in a 3.
 
For all of those analysis, he ain't coming here to drop Rashford, at least not in first half a season. Fully expect us to play classic 4231, maybe with a slightly different, more "modern" role of midfielders, but he'll still give it a try with Rashford in whatever position. Because of this, all analysis about how Amorims style of football make little sense imo. He will need to compromise from day one.
 
From the videos and analysis I’ve seen, I’d say players that fit are

Amad - probably our most suitable winger for the inside forward role

Hojlund - Played a similar role as Gyokeres in Atalanta

Onana - Ball playing keeper

Ugarte - Ex player

De Ligt - Think he would suit the CCB role

Yoro - Good at defending wide spaces and ball recovery which is needed for Amorim’s RCB

Garnacho - This is a prediction but I think he fits the left wing back role. Garnacho is good at 1v1 situations (though inconsistent) and can go inside or outside . These are the types of situations i often see the typical Amorim full back involved

Mount - excelled in the inside forward role at chelsea
 
For all of those analysis, he ain't coming here to drop Rashford, at least not in first half a season. Fully expect us to play classic 4231, maybe with a slightly different, more "modern" role of midfielders, but he'll still give it a try with Rashford in whatever position. Because of this, all analysis about how Amorims style of football make little sense imo. He will need to compromise from day one.
From what I’ve read, heard from Sporting fans and Amorims recent interview, that’s something he DOESN’T plan to do.

“After Sporting I wanted that one, Manchester, and I want that context because that context allows me to do things my way and the club believes me that way.”

Not saying he will drop Rashford (though the work rate Amorim seems to demand would suggest he could), but I don’t think he’ll have any qualms in making ‘big decisions’… it’s one of the things I’ve heard/read that makes me positive to be honest.
 
For all of those analysis, he ain't coming here to drop Rashford, at least not in first half a season. Fully expect us to play classic 4231, maybe with a slightly different, more "modern" role of midfielders, but he'll still give it a try with Rashford in whatever position. Because of this, all analysis about how Amorims style of football make little sense imo. He will need to compromise from day one.
I don't think out 4231 is even as far away from a 343 as people assume with Licha playing as a tucked in fullback. Take our last line up - ask Garnacho to do slightly more defending and have Rashford spend less time on the touchline and bingo bango it starts to look reminiscent of Sporting's setup when you squint. Bruno is already favouring the left channel and Dalot is already getting forward plenty, with the remaining 3 defenders shuffling across. It's only really against the ball that there'd be a big job to do, and there already is one anyway.
 
Goalkeeper -> Onana will be the number 1, certainly. I would expect Altay as a backup as well.

Right Center-Back -> I think Lindelof will enjoy a second life with Amorim and that will surprise a lot of fans. Dalot can play here as well.
Middle Center-Back -> I think De Ligt and Yoro will be options for this position. People keep mentioning Yoro to play RCB, I believe he has no chance of playing there, he's too simple/practical on the ball, not creative enough in the buildup possession.
Left Center-Back -> Martinez is in theory a good option, but he's not exactly a classy playmaker like the coach appreciates. Maybe we'll see some signing here... like Inacio or something

Right-wing -> Diallo is probably gonna thrive here. Dalot and Mazraoui are not pure dribblers or great 1x1 offensive devils, so it might be hard for them to escape the back three. Unless...
Left-wing -> It might sound weird, but I'm 99% sure Garnacho will end up here. So there's a chance Ruben ends up playing with a more deffensive RW (Dalot or Mazraoui), someone who can join the back three when the team loses the ball and has to defend a counter-attack, making a 4-back line and allowing Garnacho to stay more upfront. He has used this strategy sometimes at Sporting, this would mean that while the team would attack in a expected way, it would defend with a back four line (back three + right wingback), 4 guys in an intermediary line (Garnacho left, the right forward on the right and 2 midlefields in the center) leaving left forward (Bruno) and the striker upfront. Shaw or Malacia as backup I would say.

Defensive midlefield -> Ugarte will thrive. I'm curious if Casemiro is staying another year as a backup or if Amorim will sign some younger DM.
Central midlefield -> Kobbie Maino will probably be a starter and will fit well. I would expect a signing here to add another player to KM.

Right forward -> Here, no one fits very well. Antony I'm pretty sure will be released. Maybe we see Mason Mount having a second life as a backup? At least one signing for sure, maybe even 2.
Left forward -> Bruno will play that 10 position, leaving the left flank for Garnacho and playing in a more inside central offensive midlefield position. Maybe Rashford will stay? I I think Sancho would have a word to say if he had stayed.

Striker -> I wouldn't expect great changes here. I think Hojlund will be the bet for main striker and Zirkzee as his backup.

So basically I would expect these signings for sure, between january and the summer market:
-> LCB
-> CM
-> Left-footed offensive middlefield/interior winger (big signing; someone with Foden or Palmer's carachteristics)

And these maybe (or not):
-> Deffensive middlefield
-> Another left-footed offensive middlefield/right interior forward
-> Right-footed offensive middlefield/right interior forward

I would bet on something like this:

GK - Onana (Altay)

RCB - Lindelof (Dalot/Mazraoui)
MCB -> De Ligt (Yoro)
LCB -> Martinez (Signing)

RW -> Dalot/Mazraoui (Diallo) -> very different options for different games and oponents
LW -> Garnacho (Shaw/Malacia) -> the same from above

DM -> Ugarte (Casemiro or signing)
CM -> Maino (Signing)

ROM -> Signing (Mount)
LOM -> Bruno F. (Rashford or signing)

ST -> Hojlund (Zirkzee)

For each of the wings, one more offensive option (Diallo right, Garnacho left), one more deffensive option that allows the guy from the opposite flank to not focus so much on deffending (Dalot & Shaw/Malacia)
Thanks for that, always good to hear what fans who’ve watched Amorim think of him/tactics.

A lot of it I can see, but not sure on some bits. I’ve seen Lindelof make some very good passes, but can’t see him as a first XI choice… whereas Yoro was clearly bought with a look forward and eats the space. Also only 19 and from videos I watched (appreciate not always enough) when we bought him, he did look like he could pass so I’d expect Amorim to coach him (if needed) and use him in the first XI. His attributes and age would suggest he’d play over a doubt (at 19) on his passing range.

I think Maz plays RWB if he plays a 3/5 defence.. can’t see Dalot unless Amorim can coach out the brain farts he occasionally has which cost us.

Agree on Mount, this could suit him but he’s surely in last chance saloon and has until end of this season.
 
Goalkeeper -> Onana will be the number 1, certainly. I would expect Altay as a backup as well.

Right Center-Back -> I think Lindelof will enjoy a second life with Amorim and that will surprise a lot of fans. Dalot can play here as well.
Middle Center-Back -> I think De Ligt and Yoro will be options for this position. People keep mentioning Yoro to play RCB, I believe he has no chance of playing there, he's too simple/practical on the ball, not creative enough in the buildup possession.
Left Center-Back -> Martinez is in theory a good option, but he's not exactly a classy playmaker like the coach appreciates. Maybe we'll see some signing here... like Inacio or something

Right-wing -> Diallo is probably gonna thrive here. Dalot and Mazraoui are not pure dribblers or great 1x1 offensive devils, so it might be hard for them to escape the back three. Unless...
Left-wing -> It might sound weird, but I'm 99% sure Garnacho will end up here. So there's a chance Ruben ends up playing with a more deffensive RW (Dalot or Mazraoui), someone who can join the back three when the team loses the ball and has to defend a counter-attack, making a 4-back line and allowing Garnacho to stay more upfront. He has used this strategy sometimes at Sporting, this would mean that while the team would attack in a expected way, it would defend with a back four line (back three + right wingback), 4 guys in an intermediary line (Garnacho left, the right forward on the right and 2 midlefields in the center) leaving left forward (Bruno) and the striker upfront. Shaw or Malacia as backup I would say.

Defensive midlefield -> Ugarte will thrive. I'm curious if Casemiro is staying another year as a backup or if Amorim will sign some younger DM.
Central midlefield -> Kobbie Maino will probably be a starter and will fit well. I would expect a signing here to add another player to KM.

Right forward -> Here, no one fits very well. Antony I'm pretty sure will be released. Maybe we see Mason Mount having a second life as a backup? At least one signing for sure, maybe even 2.
Left forward -> Bruno will play that 10 position, leaving the left flank for Garnacho and playing in a more inside central offensive midlefield position. Maybe Rashford will stay? I I think Sancho would have a word to say if he had stayed.

Striker -> I wouldn't expect great changes here. I think Hojlund will be the bet for main striker and Zirkzee as his backup.

So basically I would expect these signings for sure, between january and the summer market:
-> LCB
-> CM
-> Left-footed offensive middlefield/interior winger (big signing; someone with Foden or Palmer's carachteristics)

And these maybe (or not):
-> Deffensive middlefield
-> Another left-footed offensive middlefield/right interior forward
-> Right-footed offensive middlefield/right interior forward

I would bet on something like this:

GK - Onana (Altay)

RCB - Lindelof (Dalot/Mazraoui)
MCB -> De Ligt (Yoro)
LCB -> Martinez (Signing)

RW -> Dalot/Mazraoui (Diallo) -> very different options for different games and oponents
LW -> Garnacho (Shaw/Malacia) -> the same from above

DM -> Ugarte (Casemiro or signing)
CM -> Maino (Signing)

ROM -> Signing (Mount)
LOM -> Bruno F. (Rashford or signing)

ST -> Hojlund (Zirkzee)

For each of the wings, one more offensive option (Diallo right, Garnacho left), one more deffensive option that allows the guy from the opposite flank to not focus so much on deffending (Dalot & Shaw/Malacia)

Isn't Yoro meant to be strong at progressing the play, due to his ability and comfort bringing the ball forward or evading pressure? Not that playing in the middle of a back three wouldn't be best for him, but maybe not best for the team overall.

Martinez is absolutely a classy playmaker, he's just an unusual profile of player overall because he's not the kind of cool, collected sweeper you would expect a defender with his ability on the ball to be. It's easy to see him being an asset either in the middle or on the left of a back three or anchoring in midfield, in a favourable overall setup.

Also, Amad Diallo fits like a glove as a right forward. He is a technical little pocket player, not the type to primarily provide width and penetrative running.
 
I think Rashford could be used either as a striker, or together with Bruno behind the striker, mining the left channel. But I guess it depends on specifically what Amorim wants from his players in those positions, and on overall team balance. The player I have a hard time fitting in anywhere is Mazraoui. And of course there's more than a few where it's a question of quality and overall suitability.

All in all, the fit between squad and formation actually seems a good deal better than I would have thought, at least on the fairly generic level that it's possible for fans to consider it. I'm not generally fond of 3 at the back - it always tends to be a little too much of a control-oriented approach. But in this case I must admit it seems appealing, and I'm rather excited to see how it'll work.

If Rashford is willing to embrace the new manager he could thrive. But that’s a big if as he is a bit too stubborn or at least has been.

The wingbacks make or break our play under Amorim. This is an area of our squad that may require addressing in the next transfer, if at all possible.