Which of our player's fit Amorim's style/tactics particularly well or poorly?

Not encouraged by De Ligt’s experiences in a back three. Hopefully I’m wrong as I do like him. I think Yoro will be important. I am most likely wrong here but I wonder if Anthony will benefit from this system? Feel like the more defensive role would possibly suit him considering his limited attacking capabilities. United may also start to provide proper service to Hojlund which could see better performances in the striking department.

Even if this isn’t the case I feel we will see surprises. Someone we expect to thrive will be benched and someone we expect to struggle will do well.
 
I know this sounds crazy but I can imagine Garnacho in the left side of the midfield for example, something like this:

Onana
Mazraoui De Ligt Martínez

Dalot Ugarte Bruno Garnacho

Zirkzee Rashford

Hojlund

But it's hard to understand if it makes sense. Rúben will certainly surprise everyone with some new positions for certain players.
 
alexanderplatz said:
Not encouraged by De Ligt’s experiences in a back three. Hopefully I’m wrong as I do like him. I think Yoro will be important. I am most likely wrong here but I wonder if Anthony will benefit from this system? Feel like the more defensive role would possibly suit him considering his limited attacking capabilities. United may also start to provide proper service to Hojlund which could see better performances in the striking department.

Even if this isn’t the case I feel we will see surprises. Someone we expect to thrive will be benched and someone we expect to struggle will do well.
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There are whispers that Antony is set to have a renaissance at wingback, but I believe those whispers will turn out to be nothing but wind of the buttocks
 
It'd be funny when after all the expectations he goes with a 4231 mid-block after realizing that he doesn't have the players to play his system, but he needs to get the results as we need the Adidas money.
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People joke about Antony the LWB but I honestly think it's a possibility. It will require top class coaching to make it happen of course.
 
I think on paper it suits the majority of our players and helps with a few issues we've got. Suits our CB options, the third defender helps provide cover when you're not blessed with pace at the back or athleticism in midfield and then in the forward positions, Rashford and Bruno can focus solely on attacking without having to track back and you could also potentially fit Mount and Bruno in the same team when needed too.

The main issues to solve are the wing-back situation and there being a lot of competition for places to get those two positions behind the striker, but we've got a transfer window coming up and could potentially convert a couple of wingers to wing-backs.

Obviously that's on all on paper, I'm sure out lot will make it harder than it seems :lol: The potential is there though. As bored out of my head as I was watching the football at times, the most control we've had since Fergie was 100% when we played three at the back under LVG.
 
The players playing at the minute don’t have the technical capabilities needed in his system (Rashford, Garnacho, Case), we really need to raise the technical floor and that’s why I see Mount, Amad and Antony having big parts to play.

People might laugh but Antony holds the ball and has a better touch, link up play, aggression, pressing than garnacho and rashford and will probably be the attacking wingback out of the two. Mount will also be useful for pressing and tenacity in the two 10s if he can stay fit.
 
An attacking wingback is another term for the winger/midfielder used in the old 4-4-2 system. Antony has a better chance in that system than the likes of Rashford , Garnacho.

He's a poor transfer but there really isn't anyone else at this point. It would be pointless to hire people in the Jan window without getting the current lot playing the Amorim way.

Either we shift Antony on at a major financial loss or we transition him to a "wingback" see if it works out. A bit of individual coaching where he's told to make passes quicker etc will help too. Antony isn't a bad player in terms of talent. He's not United standard , that's for sure. But he'd do a job as a attacking wingback (even if it's a backup). Give Amorim the remainder of the season to see if it works out
 
Anyone think chido obi martin and Samuel Lusale might get a chance at first team with Amorim at the wheel?
 
sideshowbob said:
The players playing at the minute don’t have the technical capabilities needed in his system (Rashford, Garnacho, Case), we really need to raise the technical floor and that’s why I see Mount, Amad and Antony having big parts to play.

People might laugh but Antony holds the ball and has a better touch, link up play, aggression, pressing than garnacho and rashford and will probably be the attacking wingback out of the two. Mount will also be useful for pressing and tenacity in the two 10s if he can stay fit.
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Ahh what a post.. a player who has won everything at Madrid for number of years has no technical quality :lol:
 
moodyred said:
Anyone think chido obi martin and Samuel Lusale might get a chance at first team with Amorim at the wheel?
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No way yet, just watch them against PSV which is an organised team full of tall physical players.

Our whole youth team struggled all match and were lucky to draw in the end as PSV had so many big chances.
 
Blood Mage said:
People joke about Antony the LWB but I honestly think it's a possibility. It will require top class coaching to make it happen of course.
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It’s a possibility only because he’s here and he’s 24.

Antony will probably be told by Amorim, the hierarchy won’t him sold as he’s been awful at right wing, his numbers don’t stack up in 87 appearances 12 goals and 5 assists that 17 GI in 87 is 1 GI in over 5 games in the EPL it’s worse 56 PL 5 goals 3 assists which is over 1 in 9, ironically those stats for a Wing Back would not be awful, not good either but not awful.

He needs to get to 1 in 3.5 as a wing back so if he played 20 Games he needs 6/7 goals and assists. Is that possible 100% he needs to play as left wing back and needs to knuckle down he has 6 weeks to save his united career .
 
I feel if Mount can stay fit, he will fit very well in Amorim’s no 10 role or this inside forward in 343 structure. It’s the role and formation he was used best at Chelsea.

Garnacho is a winger, so he might be the one who will struggle the most to adapt in this 343 formation. He will be forced to play the no 10 role or the wingback.
 
I think the main nuisance is Rashford, can't see him in any Amorims combination, especially because he is a lazy prima donna. Also his PR team is terrible woke PC army and if he gets benched they'll try to make mess online. I'd get rid of him asap.
 
Seen a lot of first XI predictions here and social media including most exotic ones. The true answer is: we don’t know. We don’t know the true potential of the players, their morale, ability/desire to learn, work ethics, etc. So I decided to sort our players in different categories.

First XI Nailed-on:
1.De Ligt; 2. Martinez (two best CBs); 3. Mazraoui (tactically excellent, versatile, very smart and technical player in great form), 4. Ugarte: not only because he is a former Amorim player - he have stamina and is ready to run 90 minutes; 5. Onana (obviously); 6. Bruno: many factors - captain, hard worker, creator - Amorim is not dogmatic, we will definitely find a place for a player like him.

Total: 6 out of 11

Strong candidates:
1. Mainoo - young, full of energy, carries the ball (!!!), would play higher and can thrive with additional protection (Ugarte + 3CBs)
2. Rashford - yes, I know he is in bad form. But even when he plays badly, Rashford creates something, he is transitioning from wide player to hybrid/inside role. His technique and passing are underrated because of bad form. If Amorim inspires him, we potentially have one of the best players to fulfill winger/10 role (AMCL).
3. Amad - making a huge claim for regular starter position recently. Has all qualities to become second winger/10 (AMCR).
4. Yoro - obvious.

Rest of the pack:
1. Garnacho - the problem with the Argentinian is poor decision making and average technique. He needs acres of space. Can become a valuable super-sub though against tired defenses.
2. Hojlund - very raw talent, will need to learn a lot. Very far from main striker role ala Gyokeres.
3. Zirkzee - not a 9. Has potential as playmaking attacker may be.
4. Dalot - could be in 2nd group based on the last season (still questionable), positionally and stylistically ideal for RWB; but his bad form seems to be something more than just a bad form. I don’t know, I really want him to do well under Amorim.
5. Maguire - who knows, experienced player, pretty good in defence, can pass, may become our Coates. Contract issues, too expensive.

Outsiders:
Casemiro, Eriksen, Evans (old, not long term, OK subs for this season), Lindelof: can be an OK sub this season, I personally don’t like him - is not a CB, gets humiliated by strong strikers on consistent basis.

Exotic
Antony. Funny that Antony can do very well what Amorim wants from his “opposite foot” wing back: keep the width, cross with left foot from deeper positions, and work rate. Antony ticks all the boxes. He is shit as attacking wing player, can’t dribble, poor decision making; but if tasked to do very limited set of actions, who knows?
 
Borys said:
He didn't try that much apart from this ridiculous "double #10s" system though. I don't know what made him successful at Ajax, you can share if you've seen this.
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He was decent at Ajax, but it's not that hard in the Eredivisie where Ajax is the richest team by miles. He came on the back of a 'great' CL-campaign. And admittedly, they played some really good games, but I have always felt the big CL teams were in a bit of a period of transition. Remember the other semi-finalist that knocked Ajax out that presumed miracle season? It was Spurs. Not a team you'd expect in the semi-final, let alone the final of the CL. Furthermore, they humiliated Ajax in these last 20 minutes or so, without Son and Kane, the only two players that could lift Spurs from average to dangerous. It was Lucas Moura that ran rings around them that game. Yes, the same Lucas Moura that could not get a sniff under normal circumstances. Fernando Llorente, very much in the Autumn of his career, with hardly any games in the Spurs first 11 led the line that semi-final. But reaching the semis had people believing that Ten Hag was some kind of miracle worker. He's a decent coach and I like him as a manager and as a person. But that particular weird CL edition made it seem there was a bit more to his reputation than was warranted imo. Not taking anything away from the great games they played btw, well done to Ajax, but I've always felt it was somewhat of a gap year for the bigger teams in the CL that inflated Erik's genius a little too much.
 
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FCUUU said:
He was decent at Ajax, but it's not that hard in the Eredivisie where Ajax is the richest team by miles. He came on the back of a 'great' CL-campaign. And admittedly, they played some really good games, but I have always felt the big CL teams were in a bit of a period of transition. Remember the other semi-finalist that knocked Ajax out that presumed miracle season? It was Spurs. Not a team you'd expect in the semi-final, let alone the final of the CL. Furthermore, they humiliated Ajax in these last 20 minutes or so, without Son and Kane, the only two players that could lift Spurs from average to dangerous. It was Lucas Moura that ran rings around them that game. Yes, the same Lucas Moura that could not get a sniff under normal circumstances. Fernando Llorente, very much in the Autumn of his career, with hardly any games in the Spurs first 11 led the line that semi-final. But reaching the semis had people believing that Ten Hag was some kind of miracle worker. He's a decent coach and I like him as a manager and as a person. But that particular weird CL edition made it seem there was a bit more to his reputation than was warranted imo. Not taking anything away from the great games they played btw, well done to Ajax, but I've always felt it was somewhat of a gap year for the bigger teams in the CL that inflated Erik's genius a little too much.
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Even if it wasn't for the "gap year for the bigger teams in CL", surely it could've been a fluke/coincidence that they played a few good games? I mean, I would imagine we went after Ten Hag after seeing his league form/team shape/ideas or whatever.

Maybe ETH could've pulled off the same good record playing ANY football style with Ajax, considering the level of opposition he faced in the NL? Is that beyond the realm of possibility? Why is he even considered a good coach, compared for example to Ole? Eric's ideas seemed far more insanse to me.
 
Borys said:
Even if it wasn't for the "gap year for the bigger teams in CL", surely it could've been a fluke/coincidence that they played a few good games? I mean, I would imagine we went after Ten Hag after seeing his league form/team shape/ideas or whatever.

Maybe ETH could've pulled off the same good record playing ANY football style with Ajax, considering the level of opposition he faced in the NL? Is that beyond the realm of possibility? Why is he even considered a good coach, compared for example to Ole? Eric's ideas seemed far more insanse to me.
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Well, he did do well with my team, Utrecht, Which is a LOT harder than becoming Champions with Ajax. Before that, he was praised as an assistant at Bayern Munich. So there might have been more signs to pick up on. But I fully agree with you that when you put a broken fridge in the dug-out to coach Ajax you still have a great chance of winning our very mediocre Dutch league. It would be insanity to pick a manager just because of that feat. That is why I am convinced it's been games like the good win at Real Madrid that made his reputation in Europe, even when a real good set of ideas was not behind their games per definiton. I think they got 3 points @Borussia Dortmund as well if I remember correctly, and they played some decent football doing it. That still isn't a 'plan', but I believe many people think there must have been one behind those wins. Which is why I mention the Spurs game: to me that one proved there wasn't much of a plan. Just a nice run of results, which you sometimes getin football.
 
ThinkTank@Cafe said:
Seen a lot of first XI predictions here and social media including most exotic ones. The true answer is: we don’t know. We don’t know the true potential of the players, their morale, ability/desire to learn, work ethics, etc. So I decided to sort our players in different categories.

First XI Nailed-on:
1.De Ligt; 2. Martinez (two best CBs); 3. Mazraoui (tactically excellent, versatile, very smart and technical player in great form), 4. Ugarte: not only because he is a former Amorim player - he have stamina and is ready to run 90 minutes; 5. Onana (obviously); 6. Bruno: many factors - captain, hard worker, creator - Amorim is not dogmatic, we will definitely find a place for a player like him.

Total: 6 out of 11

Strong candidates:
1. Mainoo - young, full of energy, carries the ball (!!!), would play higher and can thrive with additional protection (Ugarte + 3CBs)
2. Rashford - yes, I know he is in bad form. But even when he plays badly, Rashford creates something, he is transitioning from wide player to hybrid/inside role. His technique and passing are underrated because of bad form. If Amorim inspires him, we potentially have one of the best players to fulfill winger/10 role (AMCL).
3. Amad - making a huge claim for regular starter position recently. Has all qualities to become second winger/10 (AMCR).
4. Yoro - obvious.

Rest of the pack:
1. Garnacho - the problem with the Argentinian is poor decision making and average technique. He needs acres of space. Can become a valuable super-sub though against tired defenses.
2. Hojlund - very raw talent, will need to learn a lot. Very far from main striker role ala Gyokeres.
3. Zirkzee - not a 9. Has potential as playmaking attacker may be.
4. Dalot - could be in 2nd group based on the last season (still questionable), positionally and stylistically ideal for RWB; but his bad form seems to be something more than just a bad form. I don’t know, I really want him to do well under Amorim.
5. Maguire - who knows, experienced player, pretty good in defence, can pass, may become our Coates. Contract issues, too expensive.

Outsiders:
Casemiro, Eriksen, Evans (old, not long term, OK subs for this season), Lindelof: can be an OK sub this season, I personally don’t like him - is not a CB, gets humiliated by strong strikers on consistent basis.

Exotic
Antony. Funny that Antony can do very well what Amorim wants from his “opposite foot” wing back: keep the width, cross with left foot from deeper positions, and work rate. Antony ticks all the boxes. He is shit as attacking wing player, can’t dribble, poor decision making; but if tasked to do very limited set of actions, who knows?
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I’d agree with a majority of this however I’d think Mainoo is nailed on, even if he is rotated regularly. Think Ugarte is the best pressing midfielder so will have a big part to play while also having previous experience with the new manager.

Your comments on Rashford will probably be questioned but I agree. He has a passing game just gets caught in two minds to often and doubts creep in I believe. Confidence will bring consistency hopefully.
 
Until the market opens I think it would be something like:

Onana (Altay), Dalot (Lindelof), De Ligt (Yoro), Lisandro (Shaw), Mazraoui (Antony), Garnacho (Amass/Malacia), Ugarte (Casemiro), Mainoo (Eriksen), Diallo (Rashford), Bruno (Mount), Hojlund (Zirkzee)

Maybe Gore and/or Fletcher can get into rotation.

Maguire and Evans, I think it will be very hard for them to fit in the new model. And Rashford on the long term as well.
 
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