No, it says much about the players he had available.
Also does not help that his first CL was won thanks to the worst refereeing display in the history of the competitoon.
Where does Ancelotti rank among all time great managers?
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No, it says much about the players he had available.
Also does not help that his first CL was won thanks to the worst refereeing display in the history of the competitoon.
Let's just agree to disagree.
Has to be the elite tier, such a shame Utd were too slow in 2013 with both him and Guardiola
I think a lot of that is the fact that he took over Bayern after they won the treble and failed to win the champions league and despite having basically a blank chequebook at city has taken a relatively long time to win it. He absolutely should have more and that's only partly because of his ability and a lot to do with the places he has managed.
Give me a chain smoking truster of players over a bald control freak any day
Unbelievable that he was coaching Everton 3 years ago.
No.
He is the elite tier. He has 5 and no one else has more than 3.
Ancelotti is never setting a foot into the graveyard that MU has become. He doesn't need a car crash of a club that would ruin his legacy.
He is the manager who has won the most CLs.
For me, second after Fergie, and above Pep.
For me, second after Fergie, and above Pep.
Nothing realistically would ruin his legacy at this point.
What eye test. The eye test says he wins top honours. Also, its not like his team plays boring football. I rather his style of football than half of the boring robotic managers whi have made football a game of chess.
He didn't do much at Everton but seems to do well when he coached the best team in Italy and the best team in Spain.
I don't understand why some United fans talk like he's going to be the solution to all their problems, don't think he'd do better than Van Gaal or Mourinho.
The only certain solutions for United were Klopp or Pep.
The only certain solutions for United were Klopp or Pep.
I’m sad to say it but I think he surpassed Sir Alex at this point.
1. Don Carlo
2. SAF
3. Pep
1. Don Carlo
2. SAF
3. Pep
Still true though.oh ffs
Not this argument again
MU has been known for more than decade for its ability to destroy players and managers careers alike and INEOS has yet to prove that it can bring back the club on the right track. Their recent recruiting point to the right direction but you still have a long way to go.
No established manager of Ancelotti's caliber would take a punt on your club at the moment. You're just too much trouble and not worth the hassle.
Things might change in a year or so but right now, you just ain't it. Bet on managers who have something to prove.
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That has literally never happened and this is tik tok level posting.
Agreed
I bet there are still some absolute muppets on here who wouldn't take him over ETH.
It’s true that we have been a merry go round but a job is a job. Whenever he goes from madrid we could very well be in decent shape. A front three of Garnacho Bruno and hojland isn’t the worst thing for a manager to deal with. If we add a couple of young promising signings we wouldn’t be too far off from being a team he could manage.
the thing is about you absolute types are more than likely the types that laughed about Arsenal when I knew they were a few signings away from becoming a solid team
100% in agreement with this. Shocked if any United fan thinks we’re the next big thing for an established manager to show his worth. We’ve not had a good footballing structure in place for the better part of a decade.
Well that could be because they are convinced Ancelotti wouldn’t ever step foot here
He is my favourite manager after Sir Alex in the history of the game. But we have to acknowledge that his style and approach are tailor clearly benifits from clubs with the structure of AC Milan and Real Madrid where he had by far most of his success. You can even throw Chelsea into that mix with his double over there. The pattern between these clubs is a strong figurehead at the top who decides everything to do within the club and backed with a strong recent pedigree of success where the winning mentality comes from (even Chelsea had that on a local level when he went there in 2009). Put him at a club where he remit would be to be an active participant in building said mentality and playing a part in giving the club an identity and I am afraid that's just not what gives you. For a club like Real, there is absolutely no one better. But how many clubs are structured the way Real are and more importantly, how many clubs have that history behind them? He is like a better version of Del Bosque and Zidane who are also managers I don't think their skillset is easily transferrable outside of an already established team.
I never said he would, but keep posting garbage
Will do.
Perhaps precisely because we are the toxic dumpster fire of a football club the Glazers have carefully created that we would be the kind of challenge that Ancelotti would relish to burnish his legacy as the great football manager of all time.
Or not.
Or not.
In my opinion in the modern era, just behind SAF for me. As good as his CL league record is, he league record is actually pretty bad.
Aside from that, my favorite active manager. Shame we couldn't land him back in 2013. Might have won a couple more trophies then.
Aside from that, my favorite active manager. Shame we couldn't land him back in 2013. Might have won a couple more trophies then.
The thing about Ancelotti is that he is the most likable elite manager in the world. No one hates him the way people do with Fergie, Pep or Mourinho to name a few. Even the likes of Cruyff who is associated with an almost moral like view on how the game should be played has his enemies who don’t like how he seems to look down on other playing styles. This means Ancelotti’s record gets scrutinised significantly less than any of the other greats. His spells at Napoli and Everton barely get a mention, and the fact that he didn’t make an impact at PSG or Bayern where the players and hierarchy felt he was too casual gets overlooked.
Im not saying this to diminish his achievements as I definitely consider him one of the greats, just pointing out that when you usually have a lot of people who don’t like you, you can be sure every inadequacy or chink in the armour will be found and used to put your achievements down. Fergie didn’t win enough CLs, Pep never done it with an non top club (funnily enough Carlo never did either) or Mourinho always burns and his football is not attractive.
Im not saying this to diminish his achievements as I definitely consider him one of the greats, just pointing out that when you usually have a lot of people who don’t like you, you can be sure every inadequacy or chink in the armour will be found and used to put your achievements down. Fergie didn’t win enough CLs, Pep never done it with an non top club (funnily enough Carlo never did either) or Mourinho always burns and his football is not attractive.
Nothing is change for me.
1. SAF
2. Pep
3. Cruyff
4. Ancelotti
5. Mourinho
Ancelotti undoubtedly the most successful, but the greatest? No.
Your success as a manager heavily depends on the players on your disposal and the situation of your club. To be consider as the greatest, I think you need to show that you can overcome adversity or your coaching and tactical method give a strong influence to your peers.
Ancelotti doesn't have his Aberdeen period. His management style also very pragmatic, something that many Italian coaches are very well known for.
1. SAF
2. Pep
3. Cruyff
4. Ancelotti
5. Mourinho
Ancelotti undoubtedly the most successful, but the greatest? No.
Your success as a manager heavily depends on the players on your disposal and the situation of your club. To be consider as the greatest, I think you need to show that you can overcome adversity or your coaching and tactical method give a strong influence to your peers.
Ancelotti doesn't have his Aberdeen period. His management style also very pragmatic, something that many Italian coaches are very well known for.
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Best is always subjective since there are just too many metrics of comparison, unless its something like Ten Haag vs SAF/ Ancelot. There are in fact people believing Tuchel is better than Ancelotti. To Man United fans, even if there Pep or Ancelotti win 10 trebles in a row, the best manager would still be Alex Ferguson because he did it at Aberdeen. But if one day either Pep or Ancelotti join Man United and win just a single PL or CL title after 20 years + for them, then they might move ahead of SAF.
This is not a dig at you guys. Its perfectly normal. Just like Brazilian claiming Pele is the best ever over Messi. Ask Man City fans who the best manager of all time is and they would all say its Pep.
Personally, as a neutral fan, I would say Pep is the best ever or at least the best of this century. To me trophies only matter to an extent but I have a broader view - the influence on the sport is more important. The way teams player football nowadays or in the next 10 years is influenced by Pep. Yes, there will be asterisks around Pep’s achievements (referee bribery, 115 charges…) but even with half the trophies Pep is still the best ever due to his influence. To talk about his influence you also have to consider his students. Half of the most promising coaches are Pep’s students: Alonso, Xavi, Arteta… SAF’s students include Roy Keane, Gary Neville, Rooney,… Ancelotti doesnt even have any student or anyone influenced by him. In a hypothetical world without Ferguson or Ancelotti, football would still be the same. If its not Man United to dominate the Premier League during the 90s and 2000s then it would just be another team, probably Arsenal. Similarly with Real Madrid and AC Milan. You cant say football would be the same without Pep.
Below Pep are SAF and Ancelotti (counting only managers of the 21st century). Mourinho is slightly behind.
This is not a dig at you guys. Its perfectly normal. Just like Brazilian claiming Pele is the best ever over Messi. Ask Man City fans who the best manager of all time is and they would all say its Pep.
Personally, as a neutral fan, I would say Pep is the best ever or at least the best of this century. To me trophies only matter to an extent but I have a broader view - the influence on the sport is more important. The way teams player football nowadays or in the next 10 years is influenced by Pep. Yes, there will be asterisks around Pep’s achievements (referee bribery, 115 charges…) but even with half the trophies Pep is still the best ever due to his influence. To talk about his influence you also have to consider his students. Half of the most promising coaches are Pep’s students: Alonso, Xavi, Arteta… SAF’s students include Roy Keane, Gary Neville, Rooney,… Ancelotti doesnt even have any student or anyone influenced by him. In a hypothetical world without Ferguson or Ancelotti, football would still be the same. If its not Man United to dominate the Premier League during the 90s and 2000s then it would just be another team, probably Arsenal. Similarly with Real Madrid and AC Milan. You cant say football would be the same without Pep.
Below Pep are SAF and Ancelotti (counting only managers of the 21st century). Mourinho is slightly behind.
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He's nowhere near Pep and SAF level.
Champions League is the single most overrated competition of all times. It's a cup competition that involves a ton of luck. It's the league format that really shows the quality of the teams, and Ancelotti has always been poor in leagues. In 2011/12 he blew the league with PSG despite coming in the club in winter when they were sitting 1st in the table and reinforcing, only to end up losing the league to Montpellier of all teams. This stuff alone puts him out of conversation.
Until we have an actual Super League where top teams of Europe face each other 38 times a year, domestic leagues should be the most important measure of how good a team/manager is.
I'm fully confident that if there was a European Super League, Pep would be winning it more times than anybody else, and Ancelotti wouldn't come close to winning it.
Champions League is the single most overrated competition of all times. It's a cup competition that involves a ton of luck. It's the league format that really shows the quality of the teams, and Ancelotti has always been poor in leagues. In 2011/12 he blew the league with PSG despite coming in the club in winter when they were sitting 1st in the table and reinforcing, only to end up losing the league to Montpellier of all teams. This stuff alone puts him out of conversation.
Until we have an actual Super League where top teams of Europe face each other 38 times a year, domestic leagues should be the most important measure of how good a team/manager is.
I'm fully confident that if there was a European Super League, Pep would be winning it more times than anybody else, and Ancelotti wouldn't come close to winning it.
I hope those putting him ahead of Pep are taking the piss
Of course they are, especially given the fact that they say he's better than Pep because he's won more CL cups but then turn around and say that SAF is still better.
He's however the greatest CL coach (so far) though.
Other managers constantly had great teams as well and still don't come close to Pep's CL results. And Guardiola hasn't coached Real Madrid either.
Take any game of football and make the players unrecognizable. You immediately recognize a Guardiola team or a Klopp team because of the level of organization and automatisms. I don't think you would recognize an Ancelotti team.
He's just now caught up to mourinho and trappatoni in terms of European trophies (5).
No manager has 6 European trophies. That will change next season when Madrid win CL again.
No manager has 6 European trophies. That will change next season when Madrid win CL again.
This is like comparing FA cup and league cup with League title.
One of the greatest, consistently challenging for the top honours.
We should have gone all out to get him after Fergie, instead we’re still living off what happened 25 years ago whilst Don Carlo adds Champions League number 5
We should have gone all out to get him after Fergie, instead we’re still living off what happened 25 years ago whilst Don Carlo adds Champions League number 5
He joined us mate. Carlo would go if the cash was right.