Nail firmly on the head.
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Nail firmly on the head.
I'd be surprised if we don't bring in a CM.
Even if SAF puts his faith in Cleverley and/or Anderson then we would still desperately lack a tough DM.
I'm all for giving Anderson and Cleverley another year to show what they can do whilst Scholes and Giggs are still around before deciding whether or not to splash the cash on a creative/attacking CM, but a DM is needed now.
Even if SAF puts his faith in Cleverley and/or Anderson then we would still desperately lack a tough DM.
I'm all for giving Anderson and Cleverley another year to show what they can do whilst Scholes and Giggs are still around before deciding whether or not to splash the cash on a creative/attacking CM, but a DM is needed now.
I don't get why people assume we're done shopping. Fergie just recently told he's looking to bring in two or three more. There's a difference between actively looking and actually signing though.
I was thinking of Petrucci and Powell specifically.
I'm interested to see what happens with Davide next season. Loan deal?
The only reason why someone would think that our midfield is fine I could possibly think of is to differ from the rest. By having a different opinion, even as ridiculous as this one, you attempt to become cool.
We've got by far the worst midfield of all top European sides. Real Madrid, Barcelona, Milan, Juventus, Bayern, City and even the likes of Chelsea, Dortmund, Arsenal and Inter have stronger midfields and it's hardly even debatable.
We've got by far the worst midfield of all top European sides. Real Madrid, Barcelona, Milan, Juventus, Bayern, City and even the likes of Chelsea, Dortmund, Arsenal and Inter have stronger midfields and it's hardly even debatable.
Our midfield needs improvement. Every midfielder at United has a defect (age/injuries/inconsistent form) and we are unlucky, because sometimes our players are out at the same time which make our midfield look terrible.
It's obvious it needs sorting. It's clear as fecking day.
I just want one world class midfielder. One.
For a strange reason, the past few posts remind me of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MkmonoaSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6MkmonoaSw
Nah, it is pretty shit. I've kept trying to be positive by saying that the quality is there, we just need one more player to make it great again, but I've come to accept that that's just nonsense, it's pretty fecking dire compared to most top European clubs right now and is badly in need of strengthening.
I've gone on for years about bringing players through the ranks and we have one in Cleverley. He needs an opportunity to get minutes at the top level...I'm quite happy to have patience with him as an option.
I'd like to see him given an opportunity.
Carrick is a good player, I've had my problems with him but ultimately I rate him and think on form is integral to our midfield.
Anderson I'm losing time for. Those who have seen his 'world class' potential I think are watching a different player. He has great games, followed by mediocre ones...then gets injured and needs a succession of games to get back to fitness...then rinse repeat. He has this season to prove fitness and potential...otherwise it gets chalked down to a failure.
Scholes was a world class performer and last season was our best midfielder after coming back from retirement. That should say it all really...
Giggs has never convinced me as a central midfielder I'm afraid. He has good games in there but ultimately it has never been his position.
Powell really isn't a central midfielder and hasn't kicked a ball above League 2 level...he'll need time, nurturing and patience.
Kagawa...he seems to have more influence further up the pitch and wouldn't want to see him pulled back.
We have world class talent everywhere else on the pitch. Vidic/Rio at the back, Nani on the wing, Rooney up front....who is our world class player in the centre we can rely on week in week out?
That's his best position according to Dario Gradi.
Nani - Carrick - Anderson - Valencia
is much worse than Chelsea's and Arsenal's midfield?
So according to Fergie probably one more player possibly two but didnt seem convincing.
From Fergie. Definitely sounds like we'll sign someone. The idiots will still get a feeling that we won't sign or try to sign anyone else from these words. IMO that's the clearest indication from Fergie in the last couple of seasons that we'll sign more players.
See you're just cheating by bringing wingers into it. We're on about the central midfield here, and that's what you named in your previous list.
Anderson - Carrick - Cleverley.
Song - Wilshire - Arteta
I'd prefer the latter, personally.
You've also just named the two teams out of the list Sarni mentioned that have the weakest midfields after ours.The rest have blatantly stronger midfields and naming their best 3 alongside ours would be a bit of an embarrassment.
Basically, talking nonsense, as always.
You're basically emphasizing my point that it's shit even though you're trying to come across saying it's not shit. Cleverley had ample opportunities last season, he was just injured for all of them, and he hasn't done nearly enough to suggest he's 'special'. Scholes and Keane were special, Cleverley ... he can be a good player.
How is it cheating? We keep talking about our midfield. Well let's use all our midfield is we're going to make it fair. The midfield is more than our CM let's compare fairly.
Also our CM options if fit is fine. That's the nightmare Fergie faces, we've got enough quality there IMO, but not the reliability.
Nah bullshit, we are talking about central midfield here, you named a list of central midfielders previously, no wingers were mentioned at all.
Our central midfield does not have enough quality, depth or reliability. It's a joke considering how strong the rest of our team is and how big a club we are.
Our central midfield does not have enough quality, depth or reliability. It's a joke considering how strong the rest of our team is and how big a club we are.
It's far away from fine. Our central midfield is for a mid-table club, not a midfield of champion. The only very good player in our midfield is Michael carrick,and even him wasn't that good for about 18 months (from 2009-2011). It's not sure that he will play next season as good as this, or he won't be injured. And even if he plays that good and won't be injured, what do you think, could he played in Barcelona, Madrid, Juventus, Bayern?
About the others, you're talking if we don't have injuries. The problem is that we can have injuries, we always have. Both Ando and Cleverley, as much as I like, chances are very high that they will have injuries again.
Scholes was a great player, IMO the third best central midfielder I have ever seen and the best English player I have ever seen. But the problem is his age. Do not forget that Scholes didn't start UCL final in 2009 and 2011. If he wasn't that good to start in our most important match of the season 3 years ago, I doubt that he can do it now. Last year he was fantastic, but on the other side he had a rest for 6 months, and even that he showed signs of tired in last matches. I doubt that this year he will be that good again.
Giggs was never a central midfielder, he is a winger who can play in midfield. He is not the player who can dictate games, he can make some beatiful assists but not dictate the game. And again like Scholes, he didn't start in final in 2008 (4 years ago). Relying in Giggs and Scholes now, just shows how bad our situation is comparing with 2008 when we had a still not that old Scholes and Carrick, Fletcher, Hargreaves who were very good, plus emergency players in a not that old Giggs and a talented Anderson.
About Fletcher, he will never be the player he was. Much of his game was depended in his energy and chances are absolutelly slim that he will have that energy again. In fact we don't even know if he will even return.
So saying that we don't need midfielders doesn't fix our situation. Adding in the list wingers, Kagawa and a young unproven Powell doesn't fix our midfield situation too. Buying one or two midfielders can fix it.
Don't bother telling Twigg how shit our midfield is. It could be made up of 5 people with no legs and he'd still think it was the best in the world.
You've named central midfielders only in your first post in this thread and central midfield is the area that everyone's talking about, we don't need wingers because the ones we have are among Europe's best.
Carrick is our only midfielder who'd get a sniff at another big and strong club and he wouldn't be a starter at many of them really. The rest wouldn't even be considered.
If they're all fit, I'd genuinely prefer ours.
You're right in that our midfield is behind more or less all the ones you listed, however, we're ahead of a lot of those teams in other areas. No teams ever been the best in every section of the pitch and nearly every team you've listed has a weak area, we've focused on strengthening other areas in recent years that's all.
The big difference last year was that injuries made our midfield so incredibly shit at times that the rest of the team being incredible didn't matter. Still....far too much self pity on here considering how great a squad we actually have.
Cleverley last season in Caf was really overrated, he played really good but not that good as some are saying. In fact in those games when both him and Ando started, Ando was clearly the better player. And talking about the injury record in last 3-4 years, both of them spent much time injuring so I can't understand some players treating Cleverley like God but wanting to get rid of Ando.
Really? Wilshire is better than anyone we have (or potentially so) and Song is as good as Carrick, and 6 years younger. I'd have theirs, for sure.
What's your point here? I've said for years that our midfield has only coped because we're so good everywhere else. It shouldn't be an excuse not to strengthen it.
"They say... he is a legend." Cracks me up, his acting.
Or potentially so?
cider in sarcastic comment shocker
Funny how our shit midfield most of the time outplays the very good midfield of Arsenal.
How was that sarcastic?
that quote is intresting
Does Fergie want two players but can afford only one?
Or does Fergie want two players but one of them doesn't want /cannot come here?
He gave the impression it was about availability
I'd take anything Fergie says with a pinch of salt though - he's stuck to the glazer line when it's come to transfers
When did we ever hear about 'value' pre-glazer
Not really. They barely had a midfield for the drubbing last season and we beat them at the Emirates because Valencia and co. were on fire. Arsenal lose to us because their overall team is worse, not their midfield.
Sounds like we are in positive negotiations with one (Baines?) and tenuous negotiations with another (Modric?).
What sort of logic is that?
When our team loses it's because our midfield was inferior to the other team, but when our team wins it's because our midfield was inferior to the other team but their overall team was worse than us?
We beat them at Emirates because we outplayed them quite comfortably. It was only in the brief fifteen minutes in the second half they showed something.
The only match I can remember Arsenal overplaying in the recent years is the 1-0 win over us in which Ramsey scored the winning goal.
When did I say that? A lot of the times was lost last season was down to our defense more than our midfield. I haven't claimed all our losses were because of the midfield.
It's pretty simple logic really, we've a better defense, better wingers and better forwards than them, ergo a stronger team. We've won many games over the years because all those areas mask the weakness in our midfield.
Anyway, we're looking into the future here, and not the past. Wilshire didn't even play those 2 games. You give me a choice of a 20 year old Wilshire and 25 year old Song, or a 31 year old Carrick and 38/39 year old Scholes/Giggs, I know what I'd pick.
Song is the most over-rated player in the Premier League. For a supposed Defensive Midfielder, he drifts out of the position too much. Partially the reason why Arsenal concede so many goals. I won't have him over Carrick. As for Wilshere, good talent but has been injured for the past year or so time will tell whether he'll be able to go upto his potential.