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Theres a girl here?!? What... like......a REAL one?
What represents a good summer now?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Theres a girl here?!? What... like......a REAL one?
Why? Is Oates a girl? That makes the Oates/Penna dynamic much more interesting.Ahh ok thanks, I knew I was being foolish
You better hope oates doesn't see this
Completely agree.
Because they see the sugar daddy clubs spunking cash like water and cannt get over the fact we aren't.
I'm not sure anyone said that. The worry about selling him to Chelsea is a legitimate concern. I'm past the point of caring whether Rooney stays or goes now, but I'd rather not see him at Chelsea.
Unless they give us Mata. And Luiz. And then we swap Luiz for Fabregas.
Moyes Toys? Nah, probably not.
Moyes 'R' Us?
Let Rooney rot
Get Nani on a new contract
Sign Modric
Get Nani on a new contract
Sign Modric
This has been a great summer! A long vacation, lovely weather and I haven't gained too much weight. I really can't see what else I should be expecting. There might be one thing though...
Preserving team spirit. Get rid of Rooney and bring in Fellaini and Baines and another midfielder. We'll be fine.
That's spot on, mate! Unfortunately, the sugar daddy clubs aren't just ruining football, they are ruining people and their perceptions of real life also. When Chelsea and City started their paths towards *cough* glory, too many United supporters started screaming for big name signings. Look what happened at Chelsea and what seems to happen at City, then look at what Ferguson did and where United are now. Maybe we should just admit that we are indeed very small fish in our own fish bowl that knows about f**** all when it comes to these matters.
Buy, buy, buy isn't the United way, and if some of the fans think that we should splash all that money on big name signings perhaps they are indeed supporting the wrong team?
Let's imagine that United bought Fabregas, Baines, Bale and some other plonker. All those players would demand first team action, which means that four of our current crop would have to give way. Would we want that much change in a winning team? I think there's a saying about it somewhere
I said before the transfer window opened that fellaini and possibly baines would be our summer signings. I got a load of abuse for saying it...most abuse coming from peterstorey
I would not be unhappy about the pair of them coming.
But if we bring in Baines does that not instantly raise new issues? We've discussed these issues but never resolved them. We'd have four legitimate "prem worthy" left backs -- Evra, Baines, Buttner and Fabio. That would be untenable.
As for Fellaini, let's just rip the bandage and do this.
As for Fellaini, let's just rip the bandage and do this.
It was the right move to pursue Fabregas, but the manner in which did seemed very amateur.
It was always not good to change the spine of the management wholesale. I am surprised the board sanctioned it. You never do it in any company so why should United be an exception.
Poor succession planning.
Poor succession planning.
You mean Gill, I take it? But he left at a time when Fergie's mind wasn't made up yet. At least as far as we know. Fergie could've kept on going for a couple of seasons more - or he might've called it quits last May, if it hadn't been for a single Aguero goal...Hard to plan succession in such circumstances. The Fergie factor has made United an exception to most rules, that's just the way it is - and by and large it's been an enormous blessing for us.
I am sure Gill would have been made aware of the situation vis a vis Fergie's thoughts of retiring. Maybe Gill should have staying on another year to do a proper management handover.
Sign Nani and Evra to new contracts, sell Rooney for £50M, don't buy Fellaini. Buy Luiz Gustavo and Modric.
Modric is simply not happening fellas. He's a brilliant player and madrid won't let him go. Alonso is getting on anyway. The whole idea of him being the fall back option was laughable.
Could be, certainly. We won't know until Fergie's new book - at the earliest.
Anyway, let's not forget that both Fergie and Gill remain on board, literally speaking. It's not like they just stepped down and vanished. They're around if they're needed, that's even part of the strategy - as it has been presented to the world at large, at least.
I'm not of the opinion that we need a marquee signing, nor do I think most of our fans woud have expected one if the 'no budget' 'yes we absolutely would spend £60-70m on one player this summer' comments weren't made earlier in the window.
I think that we absolutely do need a CM though and Luiz Gustavo for me is the one we need. He's definitely available, and could play instead of Carrick and next to him in a CM pairing, as well as the deepest of a midfield three. He'd give us plenty of options which we don't have right now. He's available for €20m and I really don't see why we wouldn't be in for him. He would be a very good signing at this point imo.
Marchisio is an alternative but nothing implies he's for sale and I think the worst thing we could do, given the limited time left is get caught up in another protracted saga with another player who is unlikely to move.
I think we should leave Baines and Fellaini where they are. Baines is totally unnecessary and wouldnt improve us much at all, and Fellaini isn't good enough/doesn't suit the way we play.
With Rooney I'm at the point where I don't mind as long as we don't sell him to a title rival, and I think Nani should stay and sign.
I think that we absolutely do need a CM though and Luiz Gustavo for me is the one we need. He's definitely available, and could play instead of Carrick and next to him in a CM pairing, as well as the deepest of a midfield three. He'd give us plenty of options which we don't have right now. He's available for €20m and I really don't see why we wouldn't be in for him. He would be a very good signing at this point imo.
Marchisio is an alternative but nothing implies he's for sale and I think the worst thing we could do, given the limited time left is get caught up in another protracted saga with another player who is unlikely to move.
I think we should leave Baines and Fellaini where they are. Baines is totally unnecessary and wouldnt improve us much at all, and Fellaini isn't good enough/doesn't suit the way we play.
With Rooney I'm at the point where I don't mind as long as we don't sell him to a title rival, and I think Nani should stay and sign.
Sorry for quoting an older post in this thread, but I wanted to address the part of your post which I've bolded.
I can't help but feel we've been dominated in midfield by inferior teams in the league far too often in the last season or two - it's a key area of the pitch and often we've not been able to have control over the game there.
Examples which jump out for me would be Spurs at home last season, where we were simply awful in midfield, as well as Norwich away and Aston Villa away too - granted, we went on to win that match after being rescued by the brilliance of Chicharito off the bench.
Going back to the previous season, City absolutely dominated us both home and away in the middle of the park and we lost another crucial midfield battle away to Newcastle when they romped us 3-0. I know we can't win every game, and we're going to have some bad performances through a season, but if we want to compete in Europe then we have to have one of the better midfield combinations domestically. At the moment, I simply don't think we do - several teams have one or two midfielders who would get into our team ahead of everyone except Carrick, and maybe Cleverley at times.
Spurs and City dominated us mainly because of the shit house midfielders they had in Dembele and Yaya Toure. At least Fellaini woukd give them a good battle. I've seen him get the better of Toure before, in all fairness.
Ay, I think one of our main weaknesses is any powerful player with some technical ability.
Buy Luiz Gustavo. That's good enough for me.
Fellaini would add the bit of bite that we have been lacking in midfield since we lost Hargreaves and Fketcher. Yes he is not technically brilliant and his passing is woeful, yet he causes problems for other teams. He can play in numerous positions and crops up with vital goals for his team.
Ideally we could have landed Fabregas, who would be ideal for us, but his heart is at for Barcelona and he is prepared to fight for his place in the team.
We won't get Modric, he will play more for Real this season than last, and Ronaldo will remain at Real too.
I don't see the point of signing Baines, even though he is a very good player we still have Evra and Buttner not forgetting Fabio as backup.
We have to keep Rooney, we won't sell him to Chelsea it just makes no sense.
We will sign Fellaini and hopefully another centre mid before the season starts, but like others have said we might have to give some of the youngsters a run out. Its worked for us before.
Ideally we could have landed Fabregas, who would be ideal for us, but his heart is at for Barcelona and he is prepared to fight for his place in the team.
We won't get Modric, he will play more for Real this season than last, and Ronaldo will remain at Real too.
I don't see the point of signing Baines, even though he is a very good player we still have Evra and Buttner not forgetting Fabio as backup.
We have to keep Rooney, we won't sell him to Chelsea it just makes no sense.
We will sign Fellaini and hopefully another centre mid before the season starts, but like others have said we might have to give some of the youngsters a run out. Its worked for us before.
That's spot on, mate! Unfortunately, the sugar daddy clubs aren't just ruining football, they are ruining people and their perceptions of real life also. When Chelsea and City started their paths towards *cough* glory, too many United supporters started screaming for big name signings. Look what happened at Chelsea and what seems to happen at City, then look at what Ferguson did and where United are now. Maybe we should just admit that we are indeed very small fish in our own fish bowl that knows about f**** all when it comes to these matters.
Buy, buy, buy isn't the United way, and if some of the fans think that we should splash all that money on big name signings perhaps they are indeed supporting the wrong team?
Let's imagine that United bought Fabregas, Baines, Bale and some other plonker. All those players would demand first team action, which means that four of our current crop would have to give way. Would we want that much change in a winning team? I think there's a saying about it somewhere
Absolutely spot on mate.
Everyone seems to unanimously agree that Fellaini isn't a good passer of the ball, which is why I find it a little bizarre that they're happy to have him in our midfield, a midfield that has mostly prided itself on having high quality passers who rarely lose possession (well, except Anderson, but he's just a big old chunky anomaly).
Its okay, we've only lost Scholes from the squad. There's no way we'll miss his passing... No way at all...
Scholes was largely meaningless last year, but even our not overly brilliant midfielders in the last few years are very good passers. Take Cleverley as an example, doesn't really excel at anything in particular but he is very reliable on the ball.
His passing isnt anything special but his attacking qualities isnt why I'd be happy to him here. He'd add much needed steel to our CM and also provide cover for Carrick. I do think that Fellaini alone wouldnt be enough for our midfield though and it'd be a luxury for most games we play but he'd still be better than nothing at all and would improve our CM.
Ideally though, I'd want a more accomplished attacking CM with a cheaper cover for Carrick. If that doesnt happen, I'd rather Fellaini than nothing at all. He's a better player than most here think though.
That's the problem though isn't it? It's like people are happy to settle for a not-overly-good midfielder who would cost us around £24m when we could probably get Cabaye and McCarthy for that price.
I havent seen much of Mccarthy but there's no way he'd be available for less than 15mil from what I've been reading in the media. Cabaye too would cost 20mil+ considering his importance to Newcastle. Given an option between Cabaye and Fellaini, I'd rather we took the later as he can also fill in for Carrick. Mccarthy I havent seen enough of.
There are better options than all 3 around though if we're willing to look outside the prem.
Did we win everything we wanted to last year? Did we create a lot through the middle?
We're going to miss Scholes passing, obviously.
To be fair, even Spurs have done good business so far.
I think concern is valid, although perhaps expressed dramatically at times. I've said a few times, with the signings Spurs have made, kee[ing Bale will put their team on a similar level with ours, especially if they get a new CB. Arsenal too, if they manage to get Suarez and a good DM, will have made similar strides. That is before looking at the improvements the two actual serious challengers have made. Yes, we were ahead last season, but I think some people would just like to see us stay ahead.
Losing Fergie and possibly Rooney in one summer would represent a weakening of our team. When a potential weakening is contrasted with a likely improvement from our rivals, it naturally creates concern.
Warm weather and as few turds on the beach as is possible in the UK.
And beer gardens.