Boring as feck cup manager, no thanks.
What next for Thomas Tuchel?
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One thing a link to United does, is it wakes up Liverpool
I dare say it’s a message to them and he’ll end up there
I dare say it’s a message to them and he’ll end up there
Given the realistic options out there right now who would be on the list before Tuchel?
It seems like an open goal of an appointment if we are going to make a change.
It seems like an open goal of an appointment if we are going to make a change.
The next shiny new toy, the most promising up and coming manager, or proven successful manager. So only Xabi Alonso, Amorim, Zidane and Ancelotti are qualified to be Utd manager. The rest of the candidates are either pass it or not good enough.
Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool are all looking for managers. There are quite a few big jobs open this summer.
Ye they could go down the German route. I’m surprised they haven’t tried for Nagelsmann.
So only Amorim then, as none of the others are going to join this summer.
Amorim v Tuchel, then I reckon Tuchel would be the smart choice.
I highly doubt Utd fans will welcome the appointment of Tuchel given his "failure" in PSG and Bayern (the "not good enough" category). Amorim given his unknown quality coaching in a big club more than often it equals "potential" to be a great manager, would be the preferred option for the fans, just like ETH back then(the "next shiny new toy" category).
Doesn't appeal, the fact West Ham think they can get him says quite alot given all the top clubs looking for managers this summer.
Oozing pretentiousness with this one. After all, we all know it's impossible for an experienced manager to fail in the United job. Louis van Gaal and Jose Mourinho's Premier League title wins for United were particularly impressive.
We all know by now these 2 are in the "pass it" category, and Tuchel, Potter and De Zebri are definitely in the "Not good enough" category. ETH is a tough one as he got into FA cup final 2 times in a row.
Hopefully one day our fanbase will be as smart as you.
There were reports lately that he wants to stay close to his children who he has with his ex-wife. That essentially means he has to live in Bavaria, so if that's a big part of his reasoning, he simply only had to options: Germany or München. Every other job would have been turned down by him just because he wants to be a good dad.
Sacked by Dortmund, PSG, Chelsea and now Bayern. Something is rotten in Denmark with this guy. Hard pass.
Ancelotti was sacked by Madrid, Bayern, Napoli, and Everton.
Everton didn't sack him.
I was a Tuchel fan. At times I think he is the smartest coach. Bayern wasn't even that bad result wise, they just played really bad football at times, bit like Chelsea in his second season. I think he hasn't really self reflected why he collapsed so hard at Chelsea and i think he learned the wrong lessons at PSG. His appeasement policy to big players is hurting him. It took the national coach to demote Kimmich to right defender, and then Tuchel followed suit and it worked. Should have done it a year earlier, he said right away he is not a six, yet, let him play there all the time. I hope he can turn it around.
We all know he's winning the Champions League, right? We've came to that conclusion. Its how football works. You're hated in March, told to leave, then you win the CL and like every club wants you. Its the way it has to be.
Everton to steer us to Championship glory.
It is funny that given the candidates available in the pool right now, Bayern best option may be to stick with Tuchel, let alone if he does the unimaginable to win the CL for them.
Is it still possible for him to stay there? As you say given candidates available, keeping Tuchel might be best option for them.
Not sure how bad the relationship is between him and the board now, but Tuchel won't be short of offer this summer. So many big clubs are looking for manager.
This is always one of the worst arguments against a manager
99% of managers get sacked.I'm confused, is he still rated as a manager or is it a case of there being feck all alternatives?
What you said about Kimmich isnt true.
He first played as RB again for Bayern (due to injuries) before playing there for the national team.
But you are right, that Tuchel could have done it earlier.
I think Bayern is a really hard job for a coach. On the one hand you have very experienced players with very big egos, on the other hand you still have the old guard in Hoeneß and Rummenigge still pulling the strings and making stupid comments in the media.
Then you have these stupid as hell "pundits" like Didi Hamann and Matthäus who always like to shit on Bayern. Even if we win they mostly critizice and make up problems because we didnt play beautiful enough or because Müller started on the bench or some bullshit.
Finally add the huge expectations (everything below the national double and the CL semis isnt a good season) to the mix and you have a very hard working environment imo.
Return to Chelsea is what most of their fanbase seem to be hoping,perhaps then many Utd fans will realise he should be nowhere near the same bracket as either Potter or Southgate.
Manage Al Hilal
if he does well, return back to PL
if he does bad, manage Shanghai Shenhua
if he does well, return back to PL
if he does bad, manage Shanghai Shenhua
He has a decent record in cup competitions generally but his record in his domestic league is pretty unremarkable in my opinion. The same is kind of true of this season, albeit Bayern were beaten by a third division side in the German cup this season (and lost badly to Leipzig in the German Super cup at the start of the season).
I think the perceived lack of alternatives has led to his stock being placed higher than it should be.
If he knocks out Madrid (which is a very real possibility), his stock is going to go sky high. People in high places might (maybe falsely) say to themselves that Leverkusen had a freakish, miraculous even season and that while Bayern didn't perform to their usual dominant standards, did ok.
His record against Real Madrid: 3W-4D-1L (that spans Dortmund, PSG and Chelsea so far). Absolutely a real possibility.
I think he's a similar manager to ETH. More focussed on coaching, systems and strategy than man-management, motivation and team spirit. And with our 'vibez' squad, I just don't see that profile working.
He should goto Liverpool. Would be great fun
Who do you think out there available has that blend of coaching and man management required here
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A great coach needs to have both excellent tactics and great man management
Tuchels man management is bottom tier. Likely to get into fights with players management probably fans too at some point.
You forgot pundits. His little infight with Hamann and Matthäus was quite entertaining during this season.
I'd accept Tuchel if he embraces full bald. Can't have the United manager sporting some god awful combover, even as a tribute to the late and great Sir Bobby.
He doesn't have to be a long term solution,however feel he's a good fit for INEOS whilst they find that manager to play how they want
Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd, Bayern
Which big club will be interested in his service this summer?
Which big club will be interested in his service this summer?
think we can rule out Bayern...
Only realised now that Xavi is staying at Barca. That rules them out. Bayern, Liverpool, perhaps Chelsea our contenders for Tuchel as I don't think it's ruled out for Tuchel to stay in Munich.