What next for Thomas Tuchel?

Chief123 said:
Probably back to Germany.

There’s nothing for him to do here. We’re all mourning.
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There is just one job in Germany he could do after Paris and Chelsea... - and I do not see Nagelsmann leaving in the nearer future.
There will be more open jobs in top clubs in the other top leagues much earlier - and I think that Tuchel might be a candidate for all of them.
 
Eleven-Eighteen said:
Damn. Didn't realize that. Any idea how he has fared compared to Klopp in those teams
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He took Mainz to greater heights, I think their highest ever league finish and got them into Europe. Klopp get them promoted though, so Tuchel built on the foundation Klopp left behind. At Dortmund, it was difficult to match Klopp's achievements as Dortmund won 2 titles under him. Tuchel only managed the domestic cup, though I think, could be wrong, he did manage Dortmund's highest ever points total but he was up against Pep's Bayern, so the title always seemed out of reach.
 
avgp_1 said:
Of the big teams, I see Inter haven't had the greatest of starts and look rather poor tbh. How likely is Inzaghi goes and Tuchel lands that job?
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Zero until Suning sells.
 
As a fan of Macdonald's, this setup haunts me
 
Somewhat doubt he‘d be going to Liverpool As a direct successor to Klopp - his time in Dortmund was always overshadowed by the ever looming and still fresh Klopp memories (and the brilliant times they had under him). Now he‘d be in a position to land another top job even if he‘d refuse which wasn‘t the case when he was still with Mainz.
 
Spurs is a good shout. He needs a break, and Conte will be gone in the summer I think.
 
WeePat said:
He took Mainz to greater heights, I think their highest ever league finish and got them into Europe. Klopp get them promoted though, so Tuchel built on the foundation Klopp left behind. At Dortmund, it was difficult to match Klopp's achievements as Dortmund won 2 titles under him. Tuchel only managed the domestic cup, though I think, could be wrong, he did manage Dortmund's highest ever points total but he was up against Pep's Bayern, so the title always seemed out of reach.
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Klopp got them promoted in 2004 - but went down with them again in 2007. His last season at Mainz they stayed in 2nd League and got promoted the following year (and stayed until now) in 2009 with Jorn Andersen. Tuchel overtook the team already in August 2009 when the club had problems with Andersen. Tuchel finished with Mainz 9th, 5th, 13th, 13th and 7th.
 
weetee said:
Somewhat doubt he‘d be going to Liverpool As a direct successor to Klopp - his time in Dortmund was always overshadowed by the ever looming and still fresh Klopp memories (and the brilliant times they had under him). Now he‘d be in a position to land another top job even if he‘d refuse which wasn‘t the case when he was still with Mainz.
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I still think he could have stayed longer (and won more) at Dortmund if that bomb attack on the team hadn't happened. How the board dealt with that situation caused the big rift that saw him finally gone and obviously had quite an impact on the players as well.
 
After Ancelotti’s retirement he could be an option for Real Madrid
 
stefan92 said:
I still think he could have stayed longer (and won more) at Dortmund if that bomb attack on the team hadn't happened. How the board dealt with that situation caused the big rift that saw him finally gone and obviously had quite an impact on the players as well.
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Oh, for sure! First season was amazing. Second started quite good despite all the fuss about top players leaving - then took a nose dive after the bombing, never really recovered yet still managed to squeeze out a cup win which at that time nobody seemed to care about and it took them, what 6years to finally win another one?

Despite his great upward trajectory he’s been quite unlucky at most of his clubs (bombing, Leonardo and the whole circus gettinh sacked at Christmas Eve, then the sanctions at Chelsea and all with him being the sole spokesperson of the club during that time)…guess his time at Mainz was the most enjoyable for him yet. Was by flr his longest stint too and also played some great football.
 
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Juventus needs a better coach. Not sure if their Italian only policy allows it. I might be mistaken.
 
He's a great manager but a difficult personality
 
He will enjoy his much deserved rest with his new girlfriend. He gained lots of experience from chelsea nut job though. Good luck for his future.

Deserved few more matches to turn it around but our owners felt it's time to choose another manager. Good luck for them too with Potter.

I still say tuchel is one of the best among present managers tactically. I am sure tuchel felt betrayed by our owners. They didn't allow him time to overcome this slide. And he got his own personals finally in the chelsea squad and gave him four days time to get the squad to play at best. :lol: .

Whoever from Europe will get tuchel as their next manager will surely consider themselves lucky.
 
Rajiztar said:
He will enjoy his much deserved rest with his new girlfriend. He gained lots of experience from chelsea nut job though. Good luck for his future.

Deserved few more matches to turn it around but our owners felt it's time to choose another manager. Good luck for them too with Potter.

I still say tuchel is one of the best among present managers tactically. I am sure tuchel felt betrayed by our owners. They didn't allow him time to overcome this slide. And he got his own personals finally in the chelsea squad and gave him four days time to get the squad to play at best. :lol: .

Whoever from Europe will get tuchel as their next manager will surely consider themselves lucky.
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This whole situation smells, but it does seem like a pattern that he always starts out as the ultimate promise/trainer at a new club. He was the very creative coach at Dortmund, then the very precise one at PSG and now the tactical mind at Chelsea, but after about 2-3 seasons he always leaves due to disagreements with either players or the board. I don't know if there was something at Mainz to some degree, because he seemed to leave on his own terms there, but still it seems like he's not the easiest employee and/or manager to deal with after the first season or two.

I don't know if a sample size of 3 is even close to sufficient, but it's interesting to see what will happen after give or take two years at his next gig.
 
appleman said:
This whole situation smells, but it does seem like a pattern that he always starts out as the ultimate promise/trainer at a new club. He was the very creative coach at Dortmund, then the very precise one at PSG and now the tactical mind at Chelsea, but after about 2-3 seasons he always leaves due to disagreements with either players or the board. I don't know if there was something at Mainz to some degree, because he seemed to leave on his own terms there, but still it seems like he's not the easiest employee and/or manager to deal with after the first season or two.

I don't know if a sample size of 3 is even close to sufficient, but it's interesting to see what will happen after give or take two years at his next gig.
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Mainz was difficult in the sense that he treated the players more like a chess player does treat his pieces on the board. When he went to PSG he went a bit off radar in Germany and when he won the CL and people saw how good his relation to the Chelsea players seemed to be the public reaction was like "WTF happened with him?" due to those pictures. He had to learn a lot to reach that point.
 
giorno said:
He's a great manager but a difficult personality
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This.

Good to note how he almost seemed to thrive on the sanction period. Resources and staff cut back to the point Cech was maybe the only other human he had to talk to aside from the players.

Could you imagine that going over well at Madrid?

I feel like if you installed that singular person in a club, and THAT person was excellent at doing all the other things needed, maybe it could work?

If Cech doesn’t quit because Marina lost her place … does it get to the point it did at Chelsea?

You need to have a very specific setup for him to thrive. But if a team with a quality roster knows that going in, and wants a trophy?

I’ll be curious to watch.
 
Can’t imagine him at Madrid. Boring football and boring personality. Won’t work out.
Don’t get me wrong, his interviews etc. are mostly worth listening and insightful as he tells the truth / tells stuff how it is and explains tactics, but still dull and boring for Madrid.
Mourinho was at least box office off the pitch and a big personality so it more or less worked out with Madrid.
 
Bluelion7 said:
Good to note how he almost seemed to thrive on the sanction period. Resources and staff cut back to the point Cech was maybe the only other human he had to talk to aside from the players.
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Again, don't you think you take this narrative way too far? :lol:

For a start, he worked with a team of assistants, analysts, physios on a daily basis, with the club's director of communications, he did pretty well in 1-2 pressers per week. Probably more outside of the public's view. Safe to say he had contact with other "humans" throughout.
 
Rajiztar said:
Again, don't you think you take this narrative way too far? :lol:

For a start, he worked with a team of assistants, analysts, physios on a daily basis, with the club's director of communications, he did pretty well in 1-2 pressers per week. Probably more outside of the public's view. Safe to say he had contact with other "humans" throughout.
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I wasnt the one who came up with that opinion. Matt Law specifically stated Tuchels preference for the relative “isolation” he had under the previous regime in his panel discussions online. And he’s not the only one. I’m just reiterating an observation made by some of the people closest to the club.

Talking to trainers about a players muscle pull is MUCH different than the type of communication we are talking about with the new structure. Did he work with analysts or communications directors? We know he attended pressers, but it was my understanding he would either talk to Cech or request to simply get notification via text when/where he needed to be.

How true that is down to each and every person he ever interacted with I don’t know, but they specifically referred to that time period as “isolation” with almost a complete lack of “middle management”, and specifically cited the fact that he only really needed to communicate regularly with “one or two people” in the old regime, and he was vocal about the fact he preferred it.

By midsummer they were practically begging him to communicate on transfers, and popping into WhatsApp meetings with a thumbs up or thumbs down emoji was basically his limit.

When they did specifically ask more of him he became “frazzled” bordering on “antagonistic”. That’s what the reporters associated with the club are saying, again, not me.

You can watch most of that stuff yourself if you want. They stream on YouTube and various other platforms.

Im not married to the idea. If you have other insights or information you can share, please do so.

But these are problems that hounded him at every club he’s been at, aren’t they?
 
City (if pep goes)
City
Newcastle
Juventus
Inter(how would that work with lukaku)
And a WC team since he’s proven he can string together a cup win would be huge. But if he needs a rest like others said, let him watch the WC and CL as a viewer and I would say Newcastle is a project with the backing and also a longer term approach, they would be licking their lips at the idea of him building the squad. Did he do that at Dortmund well? Although complete different structure.
 
Bluelion7 said:
I wasnt the one who came up with that opinion. Matt Law specifically stated Tuchels preference for the relative “isolation” he had under the previous regime in his panel discussions online. And he’s not the only one. I’m just reiterating an observation made by some of the people closest to the club.

Talking to trainers about a players muscle pull is MUCH different than the type of communication we are talking about with the new structure. Did he work with analysts or communications directors? We know he attended pressers, but it was my understanding he would either talk to Cech or request to simply get notification via text when/where he needed to be.

How true that is down to each and every person he ever interacted with I don’t know, but they specifically referred to that time period as “isolation” with almost a complete lack of “middle management”, and specifically cited the fact that he only really needed to communicate regularly with “one or two people” in the old regime, and he was vocal about the fact he preferred it.

By midsummer they were practically begging him to communicate on transfers, and popping into WhatsApp meetings with a thumbs up or thumbs down emoji was basically his limit.

When they did specifically ask more of him he became “frazzled” bordering on “antagonistic”. That’s what the reporters associated with the club are saying, again, not me.

You can watch most of that stuff yourself if you want. They stream on YouTube and various other platforms.

Im not married to the idea. If you have other insights or information you can share, please do so.

But these are problems that hounded him at every club he’s been at, aren’t they?
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(Seems you accidentally misquoted my post as Rajiztar's.)

I just think it pays to be a lot more sceptical about these "revealing" inside infos handfed to journos after such a high profile dismissal. I believe there's lots of targeted PR involved at this stage, and usually there's more to the breakdown of a working relationship than one side just being irrational & dismissive and the other entirely reasonable & constructive.

What I can make out is that the expectations for a professional cooperation were wildly incompatible, which lead to personal conflicts as well. Makes sense for Boehly & Co. to get their own guy in then, as they seem to have a pretty clear-cut idea of what they're going for. As for the blame game, I don't think these info leaks should be given too much credit. This kind of stuff can be interesting and sometimes funny, but it's essentially interest-driven gossip.
 
TheRedHearted said:
I would say Newcastle is a project with the backing and also a longer term approach, they would be licking their lips at the idea of him building the squad. Did he do that at Dortmund well? Although complete different structure.
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Michael Zorc build Dortmund's squads from 2005 to 2022, not their head coaches. Tuchel's influence on the squad building was limited there (as was Klopps before. as well as the other managers they had). He retired before this summer, his successor Sebastian Kehl is now responsible for squad building, not Edin Terzic.

So yes, it is a much different setup - so different, that Tuchel's ability to build a squad wasn't really needed there.
 
Short term memories. Chelsea were right to get rid.
 
The Champions League win (granted, this was obviously significant) glossed over some pretty tumescent football under his tenure.

I don't know how much of a say he had in transfers but Lukaku + last summer's signings were very poorly thought out - especially given his subsequent relationship with Lukaku.
 
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