What next for Thomas Tuchel?

I think people probably overlook the bayern squad right now compare to about 5 years ago?

This squad is not in great shape and in need of building. Their old guards are on the wrong end of the 30s, they have problem on the MF and DF. However, due to Bundi they still be able to get most points like the last few years and probably would still get the trophy if not for the record breaking point from Leverkusen. Most of their first teamers are not on par compare to 5 years ago. So their squad has their problems and you cant blame it all in Tuchel. Hes get them to their usual places if you ask me.

I think United should go for him because he is the best possible out there. He got experience in PL, can stabilise the clubs for 1-2 years with the new structures bedding in and doing their work in building the squad. After that period, we can sit down and evaluate and if we see that there are better candidates than him, go for the next one. Right now, unfortunately for me, its not the right time to go for the unproven or young manager because United has too much on its hand to do and young managers going to find it hard for them to come in and do good.
 
Reyoji-Utd said:
I think people probably overlook the bayern squad right now compare to about 5 years ago?
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This. They weren‘t favorites against Arsenal and they weren‘t favorites (by far) against Real yet were 5mins from making the final.

There is a reason they want to overhaul the whole squad. The team chemistry and hierarchy is in the gutter as well, and for quite some time.
 
The reality is Bayern are the weaker side, their forwards all carried knocks, and they didn't have particular solutions off the bench for this. Other than the subs I don't think Tuchel did anything wrong, and honestly if Kane and Musiala really couldn't stay on the pitch anymore then you can't pin that on him either. For all the "don't take out your best scorers" if the guy can't stay on his feet he's not gonna fecking help you anyways
 
He's still clearly a good option, I do think his football is very risk adverse though which worries me.
 
jderbyshire said:
However, I do like his Werner Herzog accent.
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I have a vision of him getting the Man United job, sitting down in his office and asking for videos of all the bad signings made in recent history, to avoid making the same mistakes. He is unhappy though because one is missing.

"I would like to see the Bebé".
 
giorno said:
The reality is Bayern are the weaker side, their forwards all carried knocks, and they didn't have particular solutions off the bench for this. Other than the subs I don't think Tuchel did anything wrong, and honestly if Kane and Musiala really couldn't stay on the pitch anymore then you can't pin that on him either. For all the "don't take out your best scorers" if the guy can't stay on his feet he's not gonna fecking help you anyways
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I don't believe the Kane injury excuse given by Tuchel, I didn't see him pull up anytime during the game. But we will never know cos I don't think Kane will come out to say otherwise

Even if its true about the injuries then its still Tuchel's fault, The league was lost weeks ago, yet he played a full squad 3 days to the first leg where Deligt got injured. Last weekend vs Stuttgart played the many of the starters Guererro got injured again
Kane Sane etc got overplayed
 
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Reij said:
We're not that desperate. :nono:

I'm actually on the fence lately, because he started to be very pragmatic, precisely what's needed for Bayern transition the fastest. But I don't know how his impact in the long-term will affect Bayern if he continues.

Preferably a 1 year extension and we can part ways if it doesn't work. If he continues next year at Bayern that also means the administration is backing him up enough to clean up the squad and bring new players.
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Vincent Kompany slid into your DMs :lol:
 
whitbyviking said:
Vincent Kompany slid into your DMs :lol:
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Yea, I can't believe it! :eek:

I had to remember when was the last time my expectations were so low, but I don't remember.. never like now.

I hope for a huge surprise. Really!
 
Strange choice, he is seemingly a very intelligent man, speaks lots of languages, has a big reputation in the game and the players speak highly of him. Coaching wise; not sure and the only thing that sticks out is the relegation for obvious reasons. Burnley looked good in the championship when they came back up, but levels etc.

Definitely going to be an interesting one, maybe they’ve seen something nobody else has?
 
He can have half a season break and then take over Liverpool when Slot gets sacked
 
Go back to Dortmund and get beaten by Alonso and Kompany
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Seen a few links today.

What formation does he prefer to play?
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None. All.

Seriously, he used a lot of different formations, depending on the available squad and opposition. I've seen him using 4231, 3421, 442 (flat and diamond), 433, 4321...
 
He won the CL with an attack consisting of Mount, Werner and Havertz. Christ.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Seen a few links today.

What formation does he prefer to play?
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He tends to go with whatever suits his players.

If he took the United job in the coming weeks I'd imagine he'd use a back three for the same reason he did with us, it suits your defenders and like us at the time your (lack off) quality in attack means clean sheeting your way through the season is your best shot at doing something important.

He's for sure the best option for you guys short term, they'd be a big chance he'd win the Europa and possibly even drag you back into the top 4 race, but going forward from there? I'm not sure, his big weakness is recruitment, that's what derailed him with us, the more of his signings were playing the further removed we looked from the excellently coached side we were when he took over.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Seen a few links today.

What formation does he prefer to play?
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He’s played all sorts but mostly 352/3421 something along those lines. He has played 4231 or 433 at Dortmund and Bayern so he’s not married to that idea, which is good because our squad is better suited for a back four in its current state.

With a back three, Shaw would have to move to left centre back and we’d need two new left backs in my opinion. Baring in mind we will probably be without Maguire, Lindelof, Evans next year, it leaves a lot of work to do in the transfer market just on defence.

It should suit Ugarte more because Tuchel uses two pivots (I know, I hate that word) rather than one - so theoretically there’s less pressure on Urgate to be great on the ball, like Nagelsmann or Pep would demand.
 
Is it really beyond reason that he'd join United in a 'head coach' role? (pick the team, coach, motivate)

He can hold out for more control elsewhere, but where? I can't think of many top level clubs who operate in a way that'll allow him all that power anyway.
 
Dancfc said:
He tends to go with whatever suits his players.

If he took the United job in the coming weeks I'd imagine he'd use a back three for the same reason he did with us, it suits your defenders and like us at the time your (lack off) quality in attack means clean sheeting your way through the season is your best shot at doing something important.

He's for sure the best option for you guys short term, they'd be a big chance he'd win the Europa and possibly even drag you back into the top 4 race, but going forward from there? I'm not sure, his big weakness is recruitment, that's what derailed him with us, the more of his signings were playing the further removed we looked from the excellently coached side we were when he took over.
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That’s interesting.

If he did come here I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t be involved in recruitment given the structure we now have so it could be a good match.

I thought he just wanted to be left to coaching anyway and didn’t like extra responsibility that Clearlake wanted from him when they arrived?
 
I think what appeals about Tuchel is that he's very much in the pressing and possession mould of football, which should make for continuity in player recruitment, but he's also focussed on control and being a more solid unit on the pitch, which is a continual failing in our team.

His Chelsea team weren't prolific going forward mind. His Bayern and PSG teams scored a hatful, but they always do.

Still, feels like a good pick overall.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Is it really beyond reason that he'd join United in a 'head coach' role? (pick the team, coach, motivate)

He can hold out for more control elsewhere, but where? I can't think of many top level clubs who operate in a way that'll allow him all that power anyway.
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Well apparently he fell out with Boehly because he wanted LESS control (ie. Didn't want to be involved in picking new players, but reluctantly had to be because Boehly et al running the show were obviously non-football people)

It seems Tuchel turned us down in the Summer because he wanted a sabbatical or didn't feel it was the right time. Maybe INEOS are hoping he's itching to get back in the dugout after a few months off and think he could be convinced to join now?
 
kaiser1 said:
DiMatteo won starting Bertrand Mikel and Kalou in the final
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Chelsea's Champions League final wins feel like anomalies, their best teams were under Mourinho, Ancelotti and Conte and they never got a final under them.

Avram Grant probably had the best squad on paper as it was Mourinho's that were twice Premier League champions and he lost the final on penalties.

Di Matteo and Tuchel's wins We're pure vibes. Tuchel did get PSG to a final through one legged matches the year before and I think if you play the City final ten times, Pep wins 9 of them.
 
quadrant said:
I think what appeals about Tuchel is that he's very much in the pressing and possession mould of football, which should make for continuity in player recruitment, but he's also focussed on control and being a more solid unit on the pitch, which is a continual failing in our team.

His Chelsea team weren't prolific going forward mind. His Bayern and PSG teams scored a hatful, but they always do.

Still, feels like a good pick overall.
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I really like the structure of his Chelsea team with the 343. They presented as really solid and strong in possession. He's a good in-game manager and I also like his flexibility. At the start of the 21-22, I legitimately thought they had the capacity to win the league despite having weaker players, particularly in attack and defence. Their lack of depth outside of central midfield eventually became telling, but when they were in full flow from September to December, I thought they looked relatively dominant in their games in a similar manner with how you would currently describe Arsenal. For me, that proves that Tuchel can coach good football in England, which is something we haven't had from any of the managers we've hired.
 
jderbyshire said:
Well apparently he fell out with Boehly because he wanted LESS control (ie. Didn't want to be involved in picking new players, but reluctantly had to be because Boehly et al running the show were obviously non-football people)

It seems Tuchel turned us down in the Summer because he wanted a sabbatical or didn't feel it was the right time. Maybe INEOS are hoping he's itching to get back in the dugout after a few months off and think he could be convinced to join now?
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Ah I wasn't aware. I thought the general conscious was that he wanted more control than United were willing to offer him and that's why the talks fell apart.

Hopefully it's as you said. I think he'd give us a huge lift and get us fighting at the top of the table again next season.
 
jderbyshire said:
Well apparently he fell out with Boehly because he wanted LESS control (ie. Didn't want to be involved in picking new players, but reluctantly had to be because Boehly et al running the show were obviously non-football people)

It seems Tuchel turned us down in the Summer because he wanted a sabbatical or didn't feel it was the right time. Maybe INEOS are hoping he's itching to get back in the dugout after a few months off and think he could be convinced to join now?
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This is what I thought.

He just wants to coach.
 
TheReligion said:
That’s interesting.

If he did come here I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t be involved in recruitment given the structure we now have so it could be a good match.

I thought he just wanted to be left to coaching anyway and didn’t like extra responsibility that Clearlake wanted from him when they arrived?
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This is correct. He didn't want to be bothered with being involved with recruitment. When he joined Chelsea he spoke many times about how glad he was to be part of a club with a defined hierarchy so he could focus on coaching - and he had an excellent relationship with Cech and Granovskaia.

I don't think the BILD reporting that he turned down United because he wanted more control was accurate, unless he's really done a 180 since his time at Chelsea.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
This is correct. He didn't want to be bothered with being involved with recruitment. When he joined Chelsea he spoke many times about how glad he was to be part of a club with a defined hierarchy so he could focus on coaching - and he had an excellent relationship with Cech and Granovskaia.

I don't think the BILD reporting that he turned down United because he wanted more control was accurate, unless he's really done a 180 since his time at Chelsea.
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In that case he could be a really good option at United?
 
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