If Liverpool win the league, there'll be many a complaint about a perceived media wank fest in the lead in to Liverpool winning the league and the aftermath.
What if Liverpool win the league this year?
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We're still only 11 games in, it's far too early to be talking about titles.
They won't win it this season. Mané is going to participate in the Africa Cup and he's gonna be such a big loss. The time will come when they have to deal with injuries which won't end well. I don't think they're that good on the ball, confidence is just flying high at the moment.
Top 4 is safe and sound, though.
Let's see if Mourinho can catch them, it's not over yet, IMO.
Top 4 is safe and sound, though.
Let's see if Mourinho can catch them, it's not over yet, IMO.
He's best mates with Neymar, so if they come calling, he will edge it, imo. But only Barca and it's highly questionable that they pay 100 mil for him which Pool will most likely demand.Yet more comments on him leaving at some point....zzzzzz
Don't care who is better - all I know is Coutinho is a gem who plays for LFC, along with his mates Lucas & Firmino.
Hazard would be okay for our bench like.
There's a WC year coming up next season. I doubt he's willing to sit on the bench prior to that now he's just cemented his place in Brazil's starting XI. He loves playing for Klopp and is very happy in Liverpool. If he leaves, it'll be after next season imo.
Happy days though if oppo fans need the thought of him leaving after this season to reassure themselves we won't win anything anytime soon.
Happy days though if oppo fans need the thought of him leaving after this season to reassure themselves we won't win anything anytime soon.
I don't think he'll leave nor do i think he's less important than Firmino. Klopp would do so much better with 100 mil. than his predecessor. But it's irrelevant and actually a good thing that Pool have Coutinho, strengthens the level of competition.£100m you say? Where have I heard that before?
Mane will be a loss, but having a negative net spend in the summer will mean Klopp might be in a position to add to the squad in January, not that it's an easy time to get players in.
But he will definitely have the funds.
I disagree with your comment about us not being good on the ball - some of the football we have played has been a joy to watch, the passing, movement, closing down, interplay and more , you can't do that if you are not good in possession of the ball.
Yall realize that you guys do this with every top foreign player at a rival club?
*Falls off chair laughing*
It's a very difficult task to find a guy who can make things work the way Mané's been doing so far. But of course, Klopp can give it a try. I stand by what i said, it's going to end up being a massive loss of quality for Scouse!
Liverpool have been better with the ball at their feet, sure. They're reaping the benefits of Klopp's work and the change of personnel (Moreno & Skaho out, Milner & Matip) has been an absolute success.
Maybe i should have it put better into words, what i meant with my (not that good expression) is it's not league winnning good. I said they make top 4 easily. The likes of Chelsea and especially City look better to me. I'm unsold on the connection between central midfield and defence, i think if properly gegenpressed there, they could fold.
Of course neither of the aformentioned teams is perfect: you could build a case and say that Chelsea's 3 at the back is still under the microscope and City had problems in the past, Stones sometimes overestimates his ability. But with the way they're playing, it looks better to me over the course of 38 games. In the end it's a bit of a guessing game.
Every (foreign) player has a different career plan. Coutinho was already in Italy, he's seems to be loving life so i speculate(d) that he'd only leave for Barcelona.
But i do see nothing wrong with speculating about player's futures, it encourages discussion and vitalize clicks.
They took the piss out of us for 26 years. That came back to bite them by not winning it for 27. That made me happy. But I do not want to see them win anything. Feck 'em.
I'd say Liverpool can afford to lose Mane more than City could lose Aguero or Chelsea lose Hazard. Furthermore, if Liverpool suffer an injury crisis it won't be great but the exact can be said for City, Arsenal and Chelsea. None of those three sides have the depth up front compared to Liverpool.
Success comes and goes, we had our time, then we had to endure years of failure while you succeeded. Now we're on the up and you're struggling.
(Obviously too early to tell but that's what the initial signs are...)
Wonder when in the future we'll have a decade or so of Liverpool AND United competing at the top?
Of course Mané isn't as important as Aguero or Hazard is for their respective clubs. But Firmino or Coutinho is and then we're having a different debate, imo.
Chelsea remain a difficut case: is Kanté, Costa or Hazard their most important player atm? I'd go with Kanté.
- Chelsea's current player of the season Willian is making the bench, Fabregas too, Oscar's still around, highly rated goal scoring French international Batshuayi also. Kenedy seems to be back after an unsuccessful loan spell, but looked good to me last season. He's quick!
- City have Ihenacho, Sané, Nolito and Jesus soon to be arriving. Doesn't look bad to me. Especially Nolito has hit the ground running, Ihenacho is City's answer to Rashers and Sané killed it in Germany, could do a Firmino of last season and show in the second half of the season what he's all about.
- Arsenal's go to guy Giroud is a very valuable option coming off the bench. Rarely hurt and consistently banging them in. The Ox seems to be coming back to life again (oozes pace), Ramsey knows his stuff, Welbeck will come back and Perez wasn't that cheap and has experience on his side, new to the league, but shouldn't be underestimated, imo.
- Finally, Scouse have Sturridge, Origi, Ings and Wijnaldum. Despite not getting along too well, make not mistake Studge is proven Premier-League quality, but can you rely on him for a whole season? Origi had his moments last season, he's okay, Ings is average, the imporant thing is that their style of play is different when they can't play 'false 9' Firmino. There's Wijnaldum and then the air becomes very thin. Where's the quick winger who's tearing the league a new one when coming off the bench?
On paper United is up there with the very best of the league. Front 5 of Zlatan, Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan and Pogba. The likes of Wazza, Rashford, Depay, Young, could prove themselves valuable (again)...i think we can recover, but it has to be taken with a pinch of salt, red glasses, therefore at the end.
Conclusion:
Pool have the weakest bench, imo and without Mané things are looking a bit gloomy. Who's going to replace him?! But if no one (else) gets hurt/goes missing...still don't think they'll edge it at the end of the season.
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The important thing about Ings is that his season is already over. Again
Ah okay, now i remember. Feel bad for the boy, comes across as a hard worker, no bullshit.
I'd go one further. Not only do Liverpool have the weakest bench but, barring Coutinho, they also have the weakest first team among those teams + Utd.
So would losing a weak first team player, e.g. Mane, to be replaced by another from the bench change our fortune that much?
I know that you're being sarcastic
but i never named Mané as one of your weak player, don't put words in my mouth. There's a reason why your club brought in Mané, his skillset makes im unique.
I hope Liverpool continue to be as weak week in week out. Just weak.
@Mourinhonista to suggest Liverpool's fortunes without Mane are "gloomy" is over-stating things a tad, no? He's a first team pick but operating in a system designed by a gifted management team. I would hazard a guess that the management at Liverpool can operate a football team in the absence of a single player, regardless of his individual ability and skills.
If Liverpool win the league they will have 19 league wins.
Manchester United will have 20.
Manchester United will have 20.
This. A team with that back 4 and goal keeper, with so few options can not win the league.
Let's be honest we will all be a bit gutted and annoyed for an hour or two and then carry on with our lives.
Batshuayi isn't French ffs
And Firmino doesn't play as a 'false 9' or whatever you call it. Get your facts straight.You're basically questioning all our bench options but give all the other team's bench options the benefit of the doubt. Who says we need a quick winger anyway? Lallana does perfectly fine on the wing, Origi can play there as well and even Sturridge can if Firmino is still on the field. Besides, Klopp already said he's not averse to spending next transfer window to make up for Mane's loss (Matip will be gone as well which will be the bigger problem imo).
Names aren't worth anything. Conte doesn't rate Fabregas so I doubt he'll be playing a lot this season, he might even be off in January. I much prefer Wijnaldum on our bench who suits our system to a tee (or so it seems from the times we've seen him) and is actually rated and trusted by our manager.
And re: United, are you kidding me? Rooney, Depay? I really think you play too much FIFA.
I thought Matip was staying with Liverpool during the tournament?
Wow yeah, just looked it up and you might be right. That'd be huge for us.
For me it won't be the end of the world. Getting married and having two kids has changed my outlook on life in general (football in particular).
10 or so years ago it would have been a different matter. I had to take a step back and tell myself that ‘It’s only a game’. This was bought on myself feeling heart palpitations during the 2001-02 Champions League QF 2nd leg against Deportivo. We even won that game quite comfortably! Losing to Leverkusen wasn’t as crushing at it should have been.
Liverpool winning the PL whilst being at school would have been unbearable as the majority of kids were Liverpool fans.
If they win it, I won’t like it and I hope to God they don’t, but the last time I wanted to give up football for good was in May 2005…
10 or so years ago it would have been a different matter. I had to take a step back and tell myself that ‘It’s only a game’. This was bought on myself feeling heart palpitations during the 2001-02 Champions League QF 2nd leg against Deportivo. We even won that game quite comfortably! Losing to Leverkusen wasn’t as crushing at it should have been.
Liverpool winning the PL whilst being at school would have been unbearable as the majority of kids were Liverpool fans.
If they win it, I won’t like it and I hope to God they don’t, but the last time I wanted to give up football for good was in May 2005…
I can't believe you all are still talking about it! Thought the thread would've died by now. And hi, how was the international "break" for everyone?
If they won it in 08/09, it would've been vomit-inducing.
If they won it in 13/14, it would've been horrible as we were champions and put up no defence and that season was disaster after disaster.
If they win it this season? It'll be crap but I won't really care since we're shíte and can't do anything about it. They're just the better team now.
If they won it in 13/14, it would've been horrible as we were champions and put up no defence and that season was disaster after disaster.
If they win it this season? It'll be crap but I won't really care since we're shíte and can't do anything about it. They're just the better team now.
I love seeing Scousers get their hopes up.
If they narrowly beat us to it, it would be soul crushing.
If we miss top four or barely scrape 4th and they win, I don't think it will hurt as much.
Luckily I don't really know and liverpool fans.
If we miss top four or barely scrape 4th and they win, I don't think it will hurt as much.
Luckily I don't really know and liverpool fans.
Wouldn't be that bad. I'm at the stage in life now where I focus on Uniteds success rather than our so called rivals. Social media would be unbearable if the scousers won but again it is not the end of the world. What would be horrible would be them consistently finishing above us for the next 10 years. That could turn us into what they were for the past 20 odd years.
It's another big chance for them. Much the same as Brendan had in 14'.
Three of their main rivals on paper have new managers implementing new ideas and new players.
I still believe they're going to struggle after Christmas when the games have come thick and fast and fatigue sets in. They just don't have the quality in depth yet.
Three of their main rivals on paper have new managers implementing new ideas and new players.
I still believe they're going to struggle after Christmas when the games have come thick and fast and fatigue sets in. They just don't have the quality in depth yet.
Matip is going nowhere. He's not interested in playing in the ACN and even refused to answer the manager's phone calls (I think he did after about 20 calls, or so the manager said, but made it clear he wasn't to be considered).
If ever there was a biased view of player assessment then the above is it.
Fabregas (who's looked shite this season and is expected to leave in January), Kenedy (poor last season and an unsuccessful loan spell this), Sane who's been the antithesis of 'hitting the ground running' (despite his excellent form in Germany- and there's no guarantee it will pick up this season), Nolito (who's been not been much about average), Jesus (hasn't even arrived yet and could be so hit or miss, he's been distinctly average for Brazil this season), Giroud who's been benched due to lack of pace, Ox who's never been above a decent or average player, Perez (who's done nothing and is new to the league), Welbeck who United sold for not being up to scratch and who has under-impressed at Arsenal from day one ............. all of these get a pass in your book and strengthen their squads, even though they have yet to prove anything or have failed already this season and last.
And all are it seems in your opinion better options than the likes of Sturridge (one of the best strikers in the PL), Wijnaldum (proven in the PL and who has been excellent for Liverpool most of this season), Origi (who looked great until injured near the end of last season but is who is coming back very well and looks almost back to that form) and those other players who you dismiss out of hand but are solid or more as backup .... Mignolet, Klavan, Alexander-Arnold (has been superb for us when starting or as a sub), Stewart (very solid DM - just signed a new long term contract), Lucas (a revelation as a backup CB), this is all without the (as yet unknown target) winger Klopp has mentioned as a likely transfer for January.
I understand that you are not a Liverpool supporter and so maybe not so familiar with a few of those names but that doesn't mean they should be underestimated, especially when they have looked damn good already this season or last, as part of the team (inc. Grujic & Ejaria - Grujic could well have been a starter, or at least seen more match time, bar for his pre-season injury) and especially when you start comparing them to players that have been dropped or dismissed or have yet to show anything of note for their respective teams !
Most of Chelsea, City and Arsenal's squad are also not household names once you get past the bench, and with the addition of CL/EL games their squads are likely more susceptible to injury/tiredness than the LFC players.
Made an honest mistake with Batshuayi's origin, my bad. On the other subject i don't know why you're dimissing the idea of Firmino not being your so-called 'false 9'. My definition of a 'false 9' is a player positioned as a striker who originally considered a midfielder. By the way ESPN backs my concept on this one.Batshuayi isn't French ffs
You're basically questioning all our bench options but give all the other team's bench options the benefit of the doubt. Who says we need a quick winger anyway? Lallana does perfectly fine on the wing, Origi can play there as well and even Sturridge can if Firmino is still on the field. Besides, Klopp already said he's not averse to spending next transfer window to make up for Mane's loss (Matip will be gone as well which will be the bigger problem imo).
Names aren't worth anything. Conte doesn't rate Fabregas so I doubt he'll be playing a lot this season, he might even be off in January. I much prefer Wijnaldum on our bench who suits our system to a tee (or so it seems from the times we've seen him) and is actually rated and trusted by our manager.
And re: United, are you kidding me? Rooney, Depay? I really think you play too much FIFA.
Origi, Studge and Ings (injured, i know) are strikers. They can play as 'wingers', but in my point of view that would be quality wise a downgrade to what you're having atm and your style of play. That's all what i'm saying.
I forgot about Matip, i agree, he's at least as important as Mané to your side, another problem Klopp has to deal with.
Conte's idea is this one: 'The coach is like a tailor, who must make the best dress for the team.' In his idea this current setup edges the one with Fabregas in it, but it doesn't mean that things are set in stone forever. He's probably a bad result or an inury away to make changes, he's already shown that he can do it instantly. Personally i'm not too fond of Fabregas, but he has world class credentials, i wouldn't dismiss the possibilty of him having a comeback. But you do have a point there, the coach decides who plays, but i'm not sold on the idea that Klopp actually prefers Wijnaldum to Fabregas.
I said about the likes of Wazza or Memphis that they should be options, nothing more atm. Memphis recently scored two goals for his country, back in the day he showed his talent in Holland and in 'red' against lower oppositions that he can play its part. Not long ago Rooney scored an absolute screamer, i don't think it's that bad of an idea to have a few experienced winners behind closed doors. You could do worse, but probably better, not everyting is black and white. Nothing got to do with Fifa.
The system isn't build around Fabregas, see above. Conte: 'I'm please for Cesc (that he is nearing a return) because he’s important for us.' The rest remains to be seen. This implies that Fabregas has been 'injured'. Hazard had an injury and it didn't work out quite well last season, but when he was on song again, he put down his marker against Totrenham and Scouse last season. Maybe Fabregas had injury problems, for example knee problems take a lot of time, maybe they never fully go away...
I thought Kenedy didn't look too bad last season -taking into account that he was a 19 year old boy coming to a new country and having a poor background. Agree to disagree.
Nolito has what ~4 scorers in 5 games (Premier-League), whenever i've seen him he's most times looked dangerous. I don't think he can be classed into the average bracket. Sané could've done better, but i said because of what he did in Germany, something similar as happened to Firmino last season could happen as well this time around in the second spell of the season. Of course it could go the other way around, but was it that bad so far that it's the most likely outturn? I don't think so! Jesus has got a 7,46 on 'whoscored', 15 scorers in 23 games, looks promising when playing with Neymar. Ah and just 19 years of age, looks like the real deal. Yeah, could go wrong, but always can something go wrong. Having skill with the ball at their respective feet is very good. Giroud might have been benched because of his lack of pace, but as i mentioned before, he's reliable (injury wise) and bangs in the goal here and there. It's a personal choice, but i rate availability.
We could go all day with player to player analysis.
With all due respect, Mignolet is complety unreliable, similar to Moreno (you didn't mention him though), no rocket-science. To be fair, Klavan seems like a good deal, no problem with the likes of Stewart, Lucas and Arnold. I mentioned the likes of Sturridge, Origi and Wijnaldum because they can be above average, they're able to decide a game, that's exactly what's required, imo. I just think some other clubs have deeper squads and in my point of view more quality, you slightly seem to disagree. Add to that that i'd like to see how Klopp conserves the team's energy. Remember the game against Sevilla where they looked drawn in the second half, could be the case that's going to happen after Christmas. Maybe not this time, we'll see. Chelsea are on similar course, also no European business this season.
Final words:
Don't get me wrong, your side's style of play is good on the eye. You've improved a lot compared to last season, it really is full heavy metal footie thus far. Apart from Sturridge's antics it's 'honest' football. Have to respect that and i'm quite happy that your squad still lacks depth (quality wise), otherwise i could see you go all the way, blowing everyone out of the water.
You've definitely got the right coach, Mourinho has a lot of work to do. So, now i'm tired af and enough is enough with the praise.
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@Mourinhonista your Sturridge analysis is odd and absurdly one-eyed. You declare Memphis as potential because he's scored for Holland yet you decide to dismiss Sturridge despite a very good goal in his most recent international. Equally, you're apparently bought into the idea of a resurgent Fabregas if he was given the chance, yet Sturridge is seemingly a lost cause. You top it all off with a comment about Sturridge's antics. What antics? Genuinely, he's looked frustrated at being a sub but if his last sub appearance has anything to go by he's still very much bought into working hard and winning back his place.
You're writing an awful lot to basically pontificate as to why you're "not convinced" by Liverpool. Talking at length with the subtext being: please, please Liverpool, don't win the bloody league!!
You're writing an awful lot to basically pontificate as to why you're "not convinced" by Liverpool. Talking at length with the subtext being: please, please Liverpool, don't win the bloody league!!
I thought it was a strange comment to.
Who has said we will win it ?