Joe Hart...

brophs said:
Stuart Taylor doesn't seem to give a feck if he never plays football again.
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He could probably drop down to the championship and be first choice, or else sign for the richest club in the world and provide a very good living for his family and try set them up forever. Ideally he would probably want to play, but when there's that much money waved infront of your face and you have a family to provide for, it must be hard to say no.
 
Don16 said:
He could probably drop down to the championship and be first choice, or else sign for the richest club in the world and provide a very good living for his family and try set them up forever. Ideally he would probably want to play, but when there's that much money waved infront of your face and you have a family to provide for, it must be hard to say no.
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City or not, he won't be going there on a fortune, IMO.

And City weren't in the frame when he's been sat on the bench the last five or six seasons.
 
That save was only "superb" because of the time of the game it was at and what it would have meant had it gone in.

It was at hand height for him. It's the sort of save that's good but at the same time you'd be disappointed if he let it in.
 
And he nearly gave a goal away about 30 seconds earlier dropping a cross and leaving his goal wide open...but then he's the England no. 1 so that's happily glossed over. Until he does it for England at least, and then he's absolutely slaughtered.
 
Brwned said:
And he nearly gave a goal away about 30 seconds earlier dropping a cross and leaving his goal wide open...but then he's the England no. 1 so that's happily glossed over. Until he does it for England at least, and then he's absolutely slaughtered.
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So true.

He can do no wrong in the eyes of the media at the moment.. even when he does.

He's had a very good season but is way to prone to parrying the ball straight back into the danger zone.
 
Hart is a great keeper but he can't kick like the new standard of modern keeper, he only finds a teammate 25% of the time. In my opinion, he will never be the best keeper in the World for this reason.
 
^ You don't have to be the absolute best. I'm sure City will settle for one of the best.
 
Hart's the best in the PL at the moment but he does have a weakness under crosses. For a long time I didn't rate him much - though that may be to do with the fact that every time he makes a mistake he seems to start pissing himself laughing like a goon - but it can't be denied that he's been outstanding for them the last couple of seasons.
 
He is great, but he is only one bad mistake away for England from being destroyed.

Look at Paul Robinson etc...
 
cw1984 said:
^ You don't have to be the absolute best. I'm sure City will settle for one of the best.
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My thought process more came from Garth Crooks team of the week on the BBC website. Crooks says that a lot of pundits are already proclaiming him to be the best in the world! I know it is partizan crap but Hart is going to become the English press golden boy in the near future.
 
Brwned said:
And he nearly gave a goal away about 30 seconds earlier dropping a cross and leaving his goal wide open...but then he's the England no. 1 so that's happily glossed over. Until he does it for England at least, and then he's absolutely slaughtered.
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Yep. That's twice in the last week I've heard the English media say he's the best in the world - within a month they'll all be at it.
 
To be fair I doubt the English media are the only ones to talk up prospects only to get on their back when they make a mistake. The problem for a goalkeeper is their mistakes pretty much always result in a goal.

I think he's a class keeper, he's got the pressure of suddenly going in to a title contending team and is living up to his potential. He stepped up when Kompany was out and despite the fact he had a defender with no confidence in front of him in Savis he still looked good.

He does make mistakes and isn't perfect but again he is only young. If he's making the mistakes and not being punished it's an advantage to City as you'd imagine he will learn from them, no keeper or player is ever perfect either. It is a shame press have a reputation of building them up just to shoot them down.
 
I'd not realised anyone was calling him that until Shreeves (?) asked Mancini whether he was one of the best in the world, it was entertaining to see Mancini torn between being supportive of his player and simply being truthful. 'No, no, he's young, there's still many more experienced (aka better) keepers, he'll get there if he works hard'. It's a shame this has to be done because once people start talking about him as up there with the best in the world he'll be scrutinised so much more and not long after he'll have a Bale-like fall from grace for a while. Why people can't be happy with very good players just seen as very good players I'll never know, if they're not world class they're not worth talking about it seems.
 
TBF, hes making important saves and key times. Most keepers will make a howler or two but his confidence will mean he bounces back. I rate him and its a shame hes at City tbh.

If only a couple of years ago Mancini had picked Given ahead of him for that Spurs match.
 
I find it strange how when Hart makes mistakes it's kind of glossed over, little mention of it, and even then the mentions are he's young and learning. De Gea makes the same mistake and out come the "Blunder keeper" headlines.

Hart came for a ball late on yesterday, challenging Dunne. He punched it straight down the middle to the penalty spot. Ref gave a freekick, even though Hart clattered Dunne, not the other way round. Commentator then calls him world class. "Look at that for a great show of world class goalkeeping. Superb." If De Gea makes an identical punch he's dodgy on crosses, and slated for the next few weeks, at least.
 
TBF to Hart, he cleared everybody to punch it clear which isnt a bad thing. Good command needed. It is bizarre however when a keeper punches a players head, he wins the freekick and its not a pen.
 
Quality keeper. Definitely the best in the league at the moment and up there with some of the best in the world as well.
 
Hart is doing really well, amongst best in our League , not best in Europe or The World material yet, but has the potential to be.......
 
misterredmist said:
Hart is doing really well, amongst best in our League , not best in Europe or The World material yet, but has the potential to be.......
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I'd say that he's up there at the moment. He's definitely not the very best in the world right now, but he's certainly up there. He'd probably make my top 5 for best goalies in the world.
 
The Neviller said:
I find it strange how when Hart makes mistakes it's kind of glossed over, little mention of it, and even then the mentions are he's young and learning. De Gea makes the same mistake and out come the "Blunder keeper" headlines.

Hart came for a ball late on yesterday, challenging Dunne. He punched it straight down the middle to the penalty spot. Ref gave a freekick, even though Hart clattered Dunne, not the other way round. Commentator then calls him world class. "Look at that for a great show of world class goalkeeping. Superb." If De Gea makes an identical punch he's dodgy on crosses, and slated for the next few weeks, at least.
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That is actually so true. Whatever Hart does is magnificent, whereas whenever De Gea punches a corner clear he's flapped at it. There was a moment against Chelsea I think, after his first iffy clearance, when he punched the ball to safety, and it just got ignored.

Nevertheless, his save against Bent was excellent, to keep your concentration through 90 minutes of nothingness is very good. I still think he tries to make too many unnecessary Hollywood saves, when by just knowing his angles better he could prevent the odd corner here and there.
 
Could have been ours for peanuts.

Painful story!

BBC Sport - Sir Alex Ferguson rejected the chance to sign Joe Hart

Sir Alex Ferguson rejected the chance to sign Joe Hart
Listen to the full 'Spoony meets Sir Alex Ferguson' interview at 1900 GMT on BBC Radio 5 live

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has revealed his regret at passing up the chance to sign Joe Hart for £100,000 earlier in his career.

Hart, 24, joined Manchester City from Shrewsbury in 2006 and has become England's first-choice goalkeeper.

But Ferguson told BBC Radio 5 live: "I could have bought Joe Hart for £100,000 so we all make mistakes."

The Scot also said he would like an ambassadorial role at United after another "two or three years" as boss.

In a wide-ranging interview, the United manager claims Hart will be an England regular for at least another decade and is the best goalkeeper the country has produced for the last 20 years.
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After struggling to replace Peter Schmeichel, who left Old Trafford in 1999, Ferguson eventually signed Edwin van der Sar from Fulham in 2005.

Van der Sar retired last summer and although Ferguson has defended the purchase of David de Gea , many United fans will be frustrated to hear that Hart could have been their player.

The United manager claims he could have picked the youngster up from Shrewsbury before he eventually moved to rivals City for an initial £600,000 in 2006.

Ferguson said: "I've no doubt [that Hart will be England goalkeeper for the next 10 years].

"If you look at the England goalkeeper situation for the last 20 years, I would think he's easily the best."

Under Ferguson's guidance, Manchester United have grown to become one of the most decorated club sides in the world, winning 12 domestic league titles and triumphing twice in the Champions League.
SIR ALEX FERGUSON'S HONOURS AT MAN UTD

12 Premier League titles

2 European Cups

5 FA Cups

4 League Cups

1 European Cup Winners' Cup

1 European Super Cup

1 Intercontinental Cup

1 World Club Cup

10 Charity/Community Shields

Ferguson was due to retire at the end of the 2001-02 campaign but had a change of heart.

And he seems to have been inspired to build the next great United side by the rise to prominence of Manchester City, whom he memorably described as "noisy neighbours."

"I think you always want to go out on a winning note," said Ferguson.

"Hopefully we can do that. I don't know how long I can last now but if my health stays up I don't think another two or three years would harm me."

He also says his wife is keen for him to remain active and has even suggested he becomes a milkman when he steps down as manager.

There has been constant speculation about who will succeed Ferguson, with a string of former players linked with the job at various times.

Ferguson himself is a long-time admirer of Real Madrid manager Jose Mourinho and believes the Portuguese would get more 'freedom' to do the job in England than he gets in Spain.

Mourinho was hugely successful at Chelsea and in December spoke of his desire to return to management in the Premier League.

Listen to the full 'Spoony meets Sir Alex Ferguson' interview at 1900 GMT on BBC Radio 5 live
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It's hardly the end of the world, but I do hate to hear when one of the best young talents in world football has slipped between our fingers. It's no reflection on DeGea or anyone else. It's just what it is. Another player who we thought didn't have the potential that they clearly did.
 
He probably would have gotten sick of being on the bench and behind VDS anyway.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
De Gea is more likeable at least.

I reckon SAF made the same mistake I did and put his faith in Foster over Hart.
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Thats because he looks like a kid that would get bullied wherever he goes the poor sod. Well we have de gea now, lets make him the best in the world.
 
Give me De Gea over Hart any time of day

I've no doubt Hart would have his shaky moments if he was suddenly shipped off to Barcelona and the like. I do doubt he'd make half as many decisive interventions as De Gea made since.
 
Brosstan said:
What? Of course he would have been.
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So Fergie didn't give Foster every opportunity to make the No1 shirt his? If Foster was the keeper Hart is VDS may have retired a few years ago. It's all hypothetical, but your wrong to say it's certain that he would have been on the bench the last two seasons.
 
Nani Nana said:
Give me De Gea over Hart any time of day

I've no doubt Hart would have his shaky moments if he was suddenly shipped off to Barcelona and the like. I do doubt he'd make half as many decisive interventions as De Gea made since.
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I do agree that De Gea receives a lot more unwarranted stick when compared to De Gea, but that's still a nonsensical statement.

Despite the odd little error here and there, Hart has generally been a lot more solid and consistent for Man City in goal this season. He's not made as many high profile errors as De Gea has made.

I don't really get your statement about him being more shaky if he moved to Barca either. That doesn't really make a lot of sense, because if anything it would be a lot easier for him at a team like Barca. They control games and dominate possession, so the keeper is often tested on a less regular basis. Many people say that Valdes is overrated because of this.
 
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