What has actually happened to Joe Hart?

He's been off form for longer than I can remember him being in good form.

He was a talented young keeper who showed a lot of promise but he has never been a top level goalkeeper so far in his career.
 
Why is it that people don't like him? I've probably missed something here (except that he plays for City) but he's always seemed pretty down to Earth and sound to me.

I actually rate the fella too - every goalkeeper goes through bad patches. It's almost like people use the fact that someone is English and not world class/good enough to live up to the nations inflated expectations as a stick to bash him with.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Just think if DDG has made that mistake today, it would be all over Sky Sports News and 4 page spreads in tomorrows papers, look at Sky Sports website and there is very little about it.
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Maybe a year back, not any more.
 
Waldner said:
Why is it that people don't like him? I've probably missed something here (except that he plays for City) but he's always seemed pretty down to Earth and sound to me.
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He's a cocky arsehole.

Pretty much sealed his rep when asked if Real deserved any credit for their comeback last year, he pouted and said no. cnut.
 
Waldner said:
Why is it that people don't like him? I've probably missed something here (except that he plays for City) but he's always seemed pretty down to Earth and sound to me.

I actually rate the fella too - every goalkeeper goes through bad patches. It's almost like people use the fact that someone is English and not world class/good enough to live up to the nations inflated expectations as a stick to bash him with.
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I've heard, in this very forum so not necessarily to be accurate, that his ego has really got the better of Him in the last couple of years.
 
Earthquake said:
He's a cocky arsehole.

Pretty much sealed his rep when asked if Real deserved any credit for their comeback last year, he pouted and said no. cnut.
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So essentially he's the same as any other footballer earning thousands per week? I imagine we have several players here at United who place quite highly on the cockiness scale. That's just one minor incident too. I just don't get the hate.


Genius Me! said:
I've heard, in this very forum so not necessarily to be accurate, that his ego has really got the better of Him in the last couple of years.
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United fans in possible bias against City players shock!
 
Waldner said:
So essentially he's the same as any other footballer earning thousands per week? I imagine we have several players here at United who place quite highly on the cockiness scale. That's just one minor incident too. I just don't get the hate.


United fans in possible bias against City players shock!
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You don't get many players giving interviews straight after matches having a go at their team mates when the result's poor, or pouting and saying no when asked if another team deserves credit for coming back from behind. People think he's a cocky arsehole because he is, not because they're United fans hating on a City player.
 
Waldner said:
So essentially he's the same as any other footballer earning thousands per week? I imagine we have several players here at United who place quite highly on the cockiness scale. That's just one minor incident too. I just don't get the hate.
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I can't think of any United players who come as across as cocky from their interviews. I have no problem with cockyness, if it serves you, but you deserve ridicule if you cannot back it up with performance.
 
Alex99 said:
You don't get many players giving interviews straight after matches having a go at their team mates when the result's poor, or pouting and saying no when asked if another team deserves credit for coming back from behind. People think he's a cocky arsehole because he is, not because they're United fans hating on a City player.
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And he does this regularly? I refuse to believe that not of this hate against him is because he's playing for City.


DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I can't think of any United players who come as across as cocky from their interviews. I have no problem with cockyness, if it serves you, but you deserve ridicule if you cannot back it up with performance.
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He's not been as bad as people think he has.
 
Waldner said:
And he does this regularly? I refuse to believe that not of this hate against him is because he's playing for City.

He's not been as bad as people think he has.
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Obviously there's a certain level of dislike for him because he's a City player, but he adds to that by being an insufferable cocky dickhead. He did it quite a few times last season and ended up falling out with Mancini about it. And as for he's not been as bad as people think, he's been making error after error all season and was pretty dodgy last season. Even Pelligrini has acknowledged that he's been error prone.
 
Just watching it for the first time and whatever was he thinking?? If he'd stayed inside his area he would have been fine.The defender was always going to be first to the ball and it would have been a simple nod back to his keeper but wtf! Out comes superhero and top man Hart to save the day.....oops!!
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I don't really know how bad people think he has been. He's made too many mistakes for a top four side, of late, though.
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He's a goalkeeper. They all make mistakes. Neuer was getting lambasted by many last season for making some. And I needn't remind anyone of De Gea either.


Alex99 said:
Obviously there's a certain level of dislike for him because he's a City player, but he adds to that by being an insufferable cocky dickhead. He did it quite a few times last season and ended up falling out with Mancini about it. And as for he's not been as bad as people think, he's been making error after error all season and was pretty dodgy last season. Even Pelligrini has acknowledged that he's been error prone.
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I've not said that he's not error prone - I've said that the criticisms of him on here are harsher than they should be. He's a good goalkeeper going through a bad patch - he's certainly not as bad as people make him out to be.
 
hp88 said:
We are not not only ones criticising him for his performance, City supporters have been doing it for a while as well. One too many blunders for someone at his level.
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As were United supporters with De Gea, as do all other supporters when their teams' goalkeeper makes mistakes.
 
Waldner said:
He's a goalkeeper. They all make mistakes. Neuer was getting lambasted by many last season for making some. And I needn't remind anyone of De Gea either.

I've not said that he's not error prone - I've said that the criticisms of him on here are harsher than they should be. He's a good goalkeeper going through a bad patch - he's certainly not as bad as people make him out to be.
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It's hardly a bad patch though. He's been error prone for a good year now and hasn't shown anything like a consistent run of good games. The performances of other goal-keepers are hardly relevant, especially when you've acknowledged that they also received criticism. I'd say if anything the criticism aimed at Hart is about fair, especially considering how it's only been a recent thing for the British media to actually acknowledge that he's made an error. You've also completely ignored the stuff about him being cocky, which is precisely why so many on here dislike him, and are possibly more critical of him when he does make errors.

I'm not really sure what your problem is with the reactions on here. He's made countless errors already this season and we're only in October. He's managed two this week for feck's sake. He's a cocky bastard and has been shielded from a lot of criticism by the media for a good length of time, something that hits home particularly hard here because our own keeper was subject to a bit of a witch-hunt for a while, whereas old BraveHart could do no wrong.
 
Waldner said:
He's a goalkeeper. They all make mistakes. Neuer was getting lambasted by many last season for making some. And I needn't remind anyone of De Gea either.
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He's made more than De Gea did. I don't know about Neuer.

I agree, he's not beyond redemption. As an England fan, I hope he comes good (if he doesn't, City will in all likelihood buy someone decent... I feel this is a justifiable thing for a United fan to say). Improvement is needed though. I would imagine you'd concur with that.
 
He seemed to think he had made it and had nothing left ot prove.

That being said even in his best season I dont think he was as good as Cech and VDS at their best.
 
no doubt Harts fault, no need to come out horrible decision...
They should replace him...
 
ItsEssexRob said:
He seemed to think he had made it and had nothing left ot prove.

That being said even in his best season I dont think he was as good as Cech and VDS at their best.
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An admittedly off-topic question... but are suggesting Cech and VDS, at their best, were equals?
 
Alex99 said:
It's hardly a bad patch though. He's been error prone for a good year now and hasn't shown anything like a consistent run of good games. The performances of other goal-keepers are hardly relevant, especially when you've acknowledged that they also received criticism. I'd say if anything the criticism aimed at Hart is about fair, especially considering how it's only been a recent thing for the British media to actually acknowledge that he's made an error. You've also completely ignored the stuff about him being cocky, which is precisely why so many on here dislike him, and are possibly more critical of him when he does make errors.

I'm not really sure what your problem is with the reactions on here. He's made countless errors already this season and we're only in October. He's managed two this week for feck's sake. He's a cocky bastard and has been shielded from a lot of criticism by the media for a good length of time, something that hits home particularly hard here because our own keeper was subject to a bit of a witch-hunt for a while, whereas old BraveHart could do no wrong.
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:lol: So you bring back the old victim card about De Gea when really Hart has been getting just the same level of focus for his mistakes.

I'll say again - I've not once tried to say that he's not made mistakes, or that he's not cocky (if you read back I actually said that I wasn't aware - there's a difference. Oh, and that's not ignoring it anyway, don't say things which aren't true). He's a goalkeeper going through a bad patch is all and think the exaggerated dislike and humour people take from it to be a bit cringeworthy.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
An admittedly off-topic question... but are suggesting Cech and VDS, at their best, were equals?
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Of course. VDS during 07-10 was untouchable, as was Cech 04-06. Whilst some may go partisan and rate their clubs goalie the best I think its pretty assured they were about equals at their best.
 
Waldner said:
the exaggerated dislike and humour people take from it to be a bit cringeworthy.
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You'll always get that on a forum for a specific club. I genuinely don't think this case is a great example of it though. Redcafe's view of Gerrard is one I'd highlight.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
He's made more than De Gea did. I don't know about Neuer.

I agree, he's not beyond redemption. As an England fan, I hope he comes good (if he doesn't, City will in all likelihood buy someone decent... I feel this is a justifiable thing for a United fan to say). Improvement is needed though. I would imagine you'd concur with that.
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Of course he needs to improve - he's playing like shite at the moment and doesn't deserve his spot in the City team right now. I just think he's not been *that* poor to warrant the reactions from both sets of fans. Other goalkeepers have been through worse and come through the other end a better player.

The lad is a very good goalkeeper and rightly England's number one, but he is not world class and people should remember that before making him out to be so they can rip him for his mistakes.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Of course. VDS during 07-10 was untouchable, as was Cech 04-06. Whilst some may go partisan and rate their clubs goalie the best I think its pretty assured they were about equals at their best.
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Fair enough!

I always saw VDS as mainly a good organiser of a defense, in his time with us. Cech, I thought the best I've seen, at his peak.
 
hp88 said:
I wouldn't say every week but once a month he fecks up and it's not a small mistake, it's like one of those you see on a blunders DVD.
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My main criticism of Hart isn't that he makes a mistake once a month or however frequently it is, it's that he always makes the same fecking mistake. If one mistake was dropping a cross and the next not coming for a cross, I'd be far less critical. The fact is that majority of Hart's mistakes are caused by the same thing, and that's him rushing out without thinking. One of two things happens, he either rushes out and then stops and makes himself big too early, meaning he's easily beaten by the attacker rushing towards him, or he charges out unnecessarily like today and makes himself look a right tit. He does it for crosses/set pieces too, especially if he was caught napping for an earlier one. Hart seems to have landed himself in a bit of a vicious circle now, in which he feels the need to prove he is a quality goalkeeper, but he tries to prove this by doing really stupid things like today, and he ends up making himself look more incompetent. Every time he makes an error he tries to overcompensate by doing something heroic, but when it doesn't come off he looks like a right muppet and more often than not costs City a goal.
 
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