What exactly has Rooney done?
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This thread is absolutely ridiculous.
Keeping comparisons with Rooney aside, Zlatan is incredibly good at whatever he does...that well guaged pinged ball from nowhere that cut through our backline and magically found Stankovic, don't think any other footballer including Messi, Ronaldo or Kaka can pull out something of that calibre.
The one facet Zlatan lacks that Rooney has in adundance is the drive and desire that prevents him from being recognized on to the next level or as a big game player but in fairnes over the last three seasons or so Zlatan has delivered more consistently than Rooney in league football inspite of playing along with an inferior team compared to United.
Rooney so far has proved to be a better big match player than Zlatan.
The one facet Zlatan lacks that Rooney has in adundance is the drive and desire that prevents him from being recognized on to the next level or as a big game player but in fairnes over the last three seasons or so Zlatan has delivered more consistently than Rooney in league football inspite of playing along with an inferior team compared to United.
Rooney so far has proved to be a better big match player than Zlatan.
Don't think any of our fans would play the xenophobic card on Rooney just because he's English but usually the other way around...overrating him on old school values. Never been a great fan of his work ethic. Drive, hunger, heartbeat, workrate mean little in rating a footballer outside England which every other English footballer posses in plenty not a yardstick in rating a creative player like Rooney but more synonymous to a flat track bully like Gerrard with zero technical ability.
Rooney is definitely the most technically gifted footballer after Gazza and Scholes easily better than Beckham.
Erm. Does that matter when its in the 3rd rated league? Inter are by far the strongest team in their own domestic league.
A player can only deliver can against what's thrown in infront of him, so far along with Maicon he has made an average Inter look very good.
Swap Zlatan with Rooney... In Italian football doubt Rooney can inspire a team like Zlatan although he can individually come good.
If Zlatan plays along with Ronaldo, Berbatov, Carrick and Fletcher he still might not offer as much as Rooney but can step a level up from whereever he's right now.
he is by far our most complete player
Some of the people talking up Zlatan over Rooney are making themselves look like fools.
Rooney is 23 FFS. He can do everything Zlatan does, and more.
Rooney is 23 FFS. He can do everything Zlatan does, and more.
I don't watch Zlatan that often to be honest, he's looks talented in flashes when I have and he's the main man for the best side in Italy so he's obvioulsy not rubbish but....
We were really not playing very well at all when we played Inter and in theory were there for the taking but Inter (alogn with Zlatan) were shocking over the 2 legs considering.
Rooney can still get better and they are probably quite close ability wise but their respective trophy cabinets answers this one easily enough for me. Just a thought.
We were really not playing very well at all when we played Inter and in theory were there for the taking but Inter (alogn with Zlatan) were shocking over the 2 legs considering.
Rooney can still get better and they are probably quite close ability wise but their respective trophy cabinets answers this one easily enough for me. Just a thought.
That is absolute bollocks. He is a far superior player to Zlatan though.
Why is it bollocks then
Sensible post!
Indeed
Best post in this thread!
What an odd statement
Is it an odd statement? I objected to "Rooney can do anything Zlatan can, and more" which if you ask any neutral fan, 9/10 would disagree, and that's a conservative estimate. Zlatan has a lot of dribbles and moves that Rooney wouldn't dare attempt. See what I've said, I'm saying Rooney is the far superior player but that doesn't mean he can do everything Zlatan can.
Why is he the far superior player, if amongst other things, Zlatan is better at scoring goals than Rooney
Been a key player in one of the world's best teams for 5 seasons.
That's what Rooney has done.
That's what Rooney has done.
Wow lots of Zlatan fans here. I take it many people here watch the full telecast of most of the league matches that Inter plays in?
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Thats debatable.
Cantona was 26 when he signed for United. Keane was made captain when he was 26 (I think). Robson similarly.
Let's assume then that to be 'pulse and heart' for United you need to be approaching, or around your 26th birthday.
Rooney is 23.
The only thing bigger than Ronaldo's ego is Ibraheaintshits nose
I don`t think either Zlatan or Rooney are overrated to be fair.
They are both world class footballers who would start for 99% of the worlds football teams. I`d rather have Rooney in my side, but that has a lot to do with work ethic, loyalty and age.
Those saying Rooney can "do everything Zlatan can do and more" are a bit off though. There are many things Zlatan does better than Rooney. He is stronger, a better header, he is a better dribbler as well. Rooney has a great technique, but not as good as Zlatans. I`d reckon Zlatan has a better left peg as well.
Rooney is probably faster, works a lot more, a better passer of the ball, less selfish and perhaps has a better footballing brain and can definitely play in more positions.
Their finishing I would put on par. They could probably still improve that.
They are both world class footballers who would start for 99% of the worlds football teams. I`d rather have Rooney in my side, but that has a lot to do with work ethic, loyalty and age.
Those saying Rooney can "do everything Zlatan can do and more" are a bit off though. There are many things Zlatan does better than Rooney. He is stronger, a better header, he is a better dribbler as well. Rooney has a great technique, but not as good as Zlatans. I`d reckon Zlatan has a better left peg as well.
Rooney is probably faster, works a lot more, a better passer of the ball, less selfish and perhaps has a better footballing brain and can definitely play in more positions.
Their finishing I would put on par. They could probably still improve that.
This thread is full of so much nonsense.
Both are great players in their own right but I would have Wayne Rooney every time. He has natural footballing ability and intelligence that simply cannot be taught. He drives a team to victory with his sheer willpower and works just as hard as anyone else. He is simply irreplaceable in our squad and we should appreciate him more.
Both are great players in their own right but I would have Wayne Rooney every time. He has natural footballing ability and intelligence that simply cannot be taught. He drives a team to victory with his sheer willpower and works just as hard as anyone else. He is simply irreplaceable in our squad and we should appreciate him more.
Yup.
Although for all the talk about him being unselfish, surely it's more selfish for us as a team if the lad is not using his ability to score goals more often? That's not his fault, I don't think we're helping him as much as we could be.
I don't think that is necessarily true. Other teams have younger 'pulse and heart' type players, and United probably have had too.
Age doesn't come into my point anyway, which is to do with a) how good he is now, and b) whether or not he is the 'pulse and heart' of the team now, as Brad claims he is.
I love Rooney, and I think he's a great player, but at the risk of harping on about the whole Ibrahimovic comparison, imagine if United had both players playing for them from an early age. Would it then be absolutely clear that Rooney is 'miles better'? I doubt it, somehow. We're not talking about fecking Peter Crouch here, we're talking about Ibrahimovic - he's a damned good player!
Well, I hear what good judges say about Ibrahimovic, I've seen the Youtube and taken on board the stats. But the fact remains that EVERY time I've seen him live or in a 90-minute game on TV for Ajax, Juventus, Inter and Sweden he's been piss-poor and appears to give up the ghost if things don't go his way.
There's a reason Rooney did come here at an early age, and Ibrahimovic didn't, though.
We had the chance to sign Ibrahimovic when he was leaving Ajax, and another great chance to sign him when he was leaving Juve.
One has a great attitude and the other doesn't, which often separates the very good from the best.
We had the chance to sign Ibrahimovic when he was leaving Ajax, and another great chance to sign him when he was leaving Juve.
One has a great attitude and the other doesn't, which often separates the very good from the best.
Strange, as he's had some good games in the world cup, and I thought he played well in the 2nd leg of the CL against us, albeit with little help. He often looks like a class player surrounded by players who don't help him enough.
Wasn't it Euro 04 where he scored a late goal against Italy and then all the Italians club were interested? I thought he did well in Euro 08 too, despite him playing with injuries, he scored a wonder goal against Greece and also scored a goal against Spain (yeah the best international team in the world most say) not a bad team to score against while he was injured. Once Ibra was taken off because of his injury Spain scored.
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At least no one can question my assertion that Rooney is the most important player at the club anymore!
At least no one can question my assertion that Rooney is the most important player at the club anymore!
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At least no one can question my assertion that Rooney is the most important player at the club anymore!
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With Ronaldo gone, I think Rooney's contribution will be appreciated more
Brad i never once said i didn't rate wayne rooney. I disputed that he was twice the player or clearly a superior player to Zlatan Ibrahimovic. That is all.
For what it's worth i thought Rooney could have became the best in the world but now i dont see it, still world class but others have made progress where he hasnt. Messi and Ronaldo raised the bar.
Anyway i asked the question what has he done in response to people asking me what Zlatan had done to deserve to be rated so highly. If you think Rooney is the very best then that is your opinion, i think he is up there but i dont think he's the very best.
I dont think Ibrahimovic is either but i do think they are comparable, personally i think Ibrahimovic at this stage and after the season he had for inter is the better player. Rooney could still go on and become the best in the world but i dont think he will.
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At least no one can question my assertion that Rooney is the most important player at the club anymore!
No doubt about that.
Feel free to toddle off with Ronaldo into the sunset mate
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At least no one can question my assertion that Rooney is the most important player at the club anymore!