Nah, I think there are as many who underrated him, usually the Queiroz lot. To put it simply, some muppets seriously underrate him because they think he is overrated by others.
What exactly has Rooney done?
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Nah, I think there are as many who underrated him, usually the Queiroz lot. To put it simply, some muppets seriously underrate him because they think he is overrated by others.
He'd be injured on the regular due to the cynical nature of that league and his selflessness.
It's hardly bollocks. Rating Rooney above Ronaldo is quite clearly overrating Rooney.
Rooney had a better season last season but not by the margin people are suggesting. I'd give him a 7/10 and Ronaldo a 6/10. The reason we struggled attacking wise in many games is because our 2 best players didn't play as well as they could.
Rooney has the potential to be the best in the world. But let's be honest he's not fulfilled his potential consistently enough which is why people underrate him.
When your winger is your top scorer, he hasnt had a 6/10 season and he isnt part of the problem why your attacking game wasnt all it could be.
Its because of those strikers he outscored. Mainly Tevez and Berbatov having 6/10 seasons.
Has anyone suggested any margins? Not that I've seen, they've just said Rooney had a great season, better than Ronaldo this time. Which shows how good a season he had, because Ronaldo didn't exactly have a shocker. Dunno what your ratings are all about, you'd think we'd come 5th in the league and gone out of the Champions League group stages
And why would that be overating Ronaldo? I don't think anyone argues Ronaldo doesn't deserve to be considered the best player in the world right now (for his performances the season before). But Rooney is the absolute pulse and heart of this United side. Sometimes it aint the flashiest player, or even the guy who scores the most goals, who's the most important to a team
At least both of those players are proven as integral to the best team in the best league. The Zlatan debate is ridiculous, summed up with the 'when we can be arsed' comments
If Rooney was really the 'pulse and heart' of United, he wouldn't be shunted out to the wing.
Keano was the 'pulse and heart' of United. Cantona was. Robson was. The current team doesn't have a single player like that. Rooney is an important player for us in many games, of course, and a top class player. Why does this mean we have to denigrate other top class players at other clubs and make stupid statements like they are 'half the player'? If our players were as good as these statements make out, we'd have run away with the CL and not put in such a meek performance in the final, Rooney included. Not much pulse and heart about that performance, if we're being harsh about things. That isn't saying anything against Rooney, it just goes to show that football is a team game, and that if a team doesn't perform, it's hard for a player, and especially an attacking player, to do much about it.
Keano was the 'pulse and heart' of United. Cantona was. Robson was. The current team doesn't have a single player like that. Rooney is an important player for us in many games, of course, and a top class player. Why does this mean we have to denigrate other top class players at other clubs and make stupid statements like they are 'half the player'? If our players were as good as these statements make out, we'd have run away with the CL and not put in such a meek performance in the final, Rooney included. Not much pulse and heart about that performance, if we're being harsh about things. That isn't saying anything against Rooney, it just goes to show that football is a team game, and that if a team doesn't perform, it's hard for a player, and especially an attacking player, to do much about it.
It's difficult to compare such different players from such different teams and leagues. Zlatan has to do more in the CL and at international level in order to be considered one of the best.
That said, did Rooney have a really great season as many fans tend to accept?
I can't understand, why do people see Rooney's and Bebatov's seasons so differently?
Rooney scored 16 goals in the league and the CL (2 winners), Berbatov scored 13 goals in these most important competitons (3 winners). Berbatov had more starts and assists in the league, Rooney more starts and assists in the CL.
Yet people say that Rooney had a great season and Berbatov was a disappointment (or even a flop). How do these 3 goals difference between their contributions in the most important competitons imply such a big difference in the way fans appreciate their season?
I think the explanation (apart from the fact that fans love Rooney and prefer his style) is that fans and pundits expected different things form Berbatov, namely more goals. They expected to see him playing as a centre forward and scoring at least as many as he did at Spurs. They didn't expect from Rooney to score many goals and his goal tally was seen as good. (Was it good though?)
The truth is that Rooney played in a more advanced role, most of the season Berbatov played behind/deeper than him. Those 3 goals difference (in the league and the CL) between them is perfectly normal given their roles in the team. Yet for most fans and pundits it seems to be quite abnormal.
Rooney was great in some parts of the last season. I'm not sure that his whole season can be defined as great. Personally, next season I expect more goals from him. I expect more goals from all our forwards.
That said, did Rooney have a really great season as many fans tend to accept?
I can't understand, why do people see Rooney's and Bebatov's seasons so differently?
Rooney scored 16 goals in the league and the CL (2 winners), Berbatov scored 13 goals in these most important competitons (3 winners). Berbatov had more starts and assists in the league, Rooney more starts and assists in the CL.
Yet people say that Rooney had a great season and Berbatov was a disappointment (or even a flop). How do these 3 goals difference between their contributions in the most important competitons imply such a big difference in the way fans appreciate their season?
I think the explanation (apart from the fact that fans love Rooney and prefer his style) is that fans and pundits expected different things form Berbatov, namely more goals. They expected to see him playing as a centre forward and scoring at least as many as he did at Spurs. They didn't expect from Rooney to score many goals and his goal tally was seen as good. (Was it good though?)
The truth is that Rooney played in a more advanced role, most of the season Berbatov played behind/deeper than him. Those 3 goals difference (in the league and the CL) between them is perfectly normal given their roles in the team. Yet for most fans and pundits it seems to be quite abnormal.
Rooney was great in some parts of the last season. I'm not sure that his whole season can be defined as great. Personally, next season I expect more goals from him. I expect more goals from all our forwards.
Spot on Treble. As I said earlier, the Rooney love on here is over the top.
feck. Me. Silly.
Please... Rooney had a far better season than Berbatov
I'd rather watch Rooney play football than any other player because he is the complete football player he can do everything and is massivley important part of our football team. Personally I think he is underrated on here more than overrated. Some love to put him down, probably because he is English, never understod that with Utd being an English football team but there you go. Take him out of the team and you see the difference, unbelievable work rate he has, consistantly sacrificing himself for the good of the team. So rare for a world class forward player.
Spot on
And the ones who underate him tend to use that latter point you make against him. As if somehow you're a better footballer if you feck that work ethic off, and when you can be arsed add the odd extra flick to your game which shows off just how 'naturally talented' you are
Good grief not another of these threads... Both players are feckin' awesome to watch - and we have one of em'. Enjoy it.
Silly is the prevailing opinion that Rooney had a much better season than Berbatov. He had a better season IMO, but not much better.
Nothing that can be objectively measured implies that there was a significant difference between their contributions to the season. The supposed big difference is based on purely subjective impressions and preferences that cannot be backed up by any serious arguments.
I'll give you an example. Rooney started all 6 games against top 4 teams in the league and scored 1 goal: for 2:0 against Chelsea. That's his contribution to our goals vs the top teams in the Prem this season: contributed to 1 goal in 6 games.
Berbatov started 4 games and directly contributed to 4 goals: 3 against Chelsea and the away goal vs Liverpool. I'm not saying that Berbatov was better in these games. I'm saying only that there was no significant difference in their contributions: both against the small and the big clubs in the league.
This would be quite obvious if biasedness wasn't such an important factor when fans form their opinions.
Yes, obviously we're all bias against Berbatov, because he plays for...
Oh
You are the very anthithesis of all that is wrong with trying to analyse the game by looked at dry stats. Rooney WAS far fecking better than Berbatov last season, it's ludicrous there's someone even entertaining the idea that it's any different
Some cnut gunna pipe up and claim that Joe Cole had a better season that Rooney because, even though he was injured all year, he rated 96% in the highest quantification of superbness of ability analysis?
no it isn't
it just seems some of us appreciate him more than others ( you undeserving fools )
it's ludicrous that only few people entertain this idea
you seem to be totally unable to accept that your opinion of Rooney is just one opinion and there could be other opinions that could be no worse than your own opinion
it is based on nothing objective, if you think that it rests on some objective facts you are seriously deluded, don't mistake your own impressions and preferences for obejctive facts
The Rooney love-in on here? God forbid, here on a Manchester United forum we profess our appreciation and love for a player who'd run through a brick wall for the club. A player who has it all in every part of his game, a player who has made a difference to us since joining (3 league titles and 2 CL finals, one which we won). What is the world coming to?
It no suse bothering with Brad. In his eyes as long as you don't see it his way you are a fool.
If someone has the opinion that Berbatov has a better season than Rooney, then damn right I'm unable to accept that opinion, because it's an opinion of pure bullshit. And that's my opinion, that yours is bullshit. Am I not allowed to have my opinion?
Brad's spot on here.
We are wasting him because we still havent signed an out an out striker.
Left side - particularly in a 4-3-3 - is much better than him leading the line. I cringe when I see him playing there.
He was amazing at times left side last season. Right side, is also a complete waste though.
Left side - particularly in a 4-3-3 - is much better than him leading the line. I cringe when I see him playing there.
He was amazing at times left side last season. Right side, is also a complete waste though.
The Rooney love-in on here? God forbid, here on a Manchester United forum we profess our appreciation and love for a player who'd run through a brick wall for the club. A player who has it all in every part of his game, a player who has made a difference to us since joining (3 league titles and 2 CL finals, one which we won). What is the world coming to?
well said
i can't understand how rooney isn't universally adored for all his efforts
I'm with you Brad. I think Berba had a decent season but his report card will clearly read 'must do better'. Whereas Rooney had a brilliant season, 20 goals plus assists. Rooney was one of the players' of the season.
Of course you are, as I am allowed to think that you are wrong.
Anyway, I hope that next season Rooney will be even better and will finally be able to compete with Ronaldo, Messi and Kaka for the top awards. In last seasons, he wasn't able to do it. The potential is there.
It aint all about the stats mate. By that reasoning Darren Bent was the best striker in the premiership a few seasons ago? Rooney does so much more, alot of which can only be fully appreciated live. Rooney simply by his nature inspires those around him, I have never seen that from Berba at any level.
Rooney was stuck on the wing for the majority of the final third of the season aswell. I agree he easily has the potential to hit 20-25 goals next season Im not sure whether Berba can do the same, I hope Im wrong but I just dont see it. He lacks an aggresive selfish streak in and around the box. All top strikers ive ever witnessed had this.
To even try and say because of 3 goals their respective seasons werent that different is insane.
I hope next season Berbatov will be even better and will finally be able to compete with Gerrard, Arshavin and Jagielka for player of the month awards. The potential is there.
The impact on the team can be only indirectly measured: by seeing how the team copes without the respective player. Everything else is quite subjective and thoroughly speculative.
The usual "he does so much more" argument doesn't take into account that almost everything Rooney does on the pitch can find its expression in stats: covered distance, runs, tackles, passes, created attacks, headers, blocks, interceptions, clearances etc etc. What cannot be directly measured is the psychological impact on the team-mates. If the given player has a great impact, then the team would have worse results without him. The truth is that last season Rooney's absence had absolutely no effect on the results of the team: absolutely no effect. We won all games when he was injured (January and February).
Don't take me wrong: Rooney has the potential to be one of the very best and is a fantastic player. But he isn't amongst the very best at the moment no matter what United fans think.
Right now, he is behind the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka and arguably Iniesta. Probably he is in the same bracket as Gerrard, Torres, Xavi, Lampard etc. He has the potential to achieve more and I hope that he will prove it next season.
I'd rather not.
I can't believe people can sit and watch united and not see you are right on this. Berbatov hasn't had as bad a season as some on here think but to say almost as good as Rooney, it’s madness.
Can we all at least agree on the shape of the ball, let’s start there and work from that.
Brad, you spend too much time arguing about Rooney, just as in the thread that was supposed to be about Kaka. IMO Rooney is better than Ibra and is our second best and most important player, behind Ronaldo and ahead of Ferdinand.
"Rooney is overrated"
You kids are so cute.
You kids are so cute.
Ibrahimovic is a fine player, so is Rooney, neither is better than the other one. In fact they would work very well together, I think.
It's because so many folk on here talk so much bollocks about him, that's why!
I must stop engaging with the morons
They would. Zlatan is Berbatov on fast forward
Abit of transfer muppetry, but if Kaka is £56m, Ronaldo £70m....Messi priceless...how much would Wayne go for?
I'd say he's worth as much as Kaka.