What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

Wow, new Top Red has entered the building. Enjoy Spain when you don’t go and come back on here to explain another shite performance. What a guy!

Top red? Nope. Never claimed to be. Far bigger and more dedicated fans I know than me. No doubt there will be plenty on here that are too. But I’ll be there son. As I was in Istanbul earlier on in the season.
Bit weird it’s soo much of a shock to you that fans actually go to games, that you can’t even believe I am going.
Don’t judge other fans by your standards because you can’t be bothered chap.

Nice avoidance of my other points to.
 
I don’t think you understand that managers can come in and change tactics and can be successful. When Pep joined everyone was smugly claiming he couldn’t play his style… he did. He’s dominated after a dodgy start. He spent £150million on defenders and signed a new keeper in his first transfer window. Ruben hasn’t been able to do anything like that.

This formation you claim will never work… Is this not the same formation that’s beaten Arsenal, Spurs and City in Europe? When he had better players? Yes. Yes it is.

I’m willing to meet you in San Sebastián on Thursday for a couple of pints to discuss this further? Or are you not going??

:lol:

Embarrassing.
 
It is concerning that there's no clear consent on what is needed going forward. Here's my two cents:

GK- Onana* (Bayindir*, Heaton*)
RB- Mazraoui (Dalot)
CB- De Ligt (Yoro, Lindelof*)
CB- Martinez (Maguire, Evans*)
LB- Dorgu (Shaw*)
DM- Ugarte (Casemiro*)
MM- Mainoo (Eriksen*)
AM- Bruno (Mount*)
RW- Amad
CF- Hojlund* (Zirkzee*)
LW- Garnacho

This is United's current first squad. The players with an asterisk are either on their last year of contract, not good enough, constantly injured or too old. Players from the youth team (Heaven, Collyer, Obi) aren't included. Priority should be the positions with either no players unmarked, or not two players in the same position. So, GK and every forward spot. If we switch to Amorim's 3-4-3 the situation should change sligthly.
 
The idea of Xavi, another manager who the squad is completely unsuited to, as the solution to our problems is just crazy. We need a lot of new players with a completely different profile and it is going to take multiple summer windows to accomplish. How quickly/if it ever happens is going to be hugely dependent on how well we recruit.

Amorim most likely isn’t going to be here in 12 months time but having gone down this path of a reset it is going to take time and patience.
Yeah exactly. This exact poster is angry and throws bits around hoping that something sticks. It is fine to distrust Amorim, but lets not act as if theres a borderline scientific reason for it that could be rectified with this name or that name. Ole wars all over again and apparently I am now on the other side - even though I only state that the guy is probably only a fraction of the issue that we have in front of our eyes now. This makes me his supporter apparently... Nuts. Tribalism at full flow
 
Top red? Nope. Never claimed to be. Far bigger and more dedicated fans I know than me. No doubt there will be plenty on here that are too. But I’ll be there son. As I was in Istanbul earlier on in the season.
Bit weird it’s soo much of a shock to you that fans actually go to games, that you can’t even believe I am going.
Don’t judge other fans by your standards because you can’t be bothered chap.

Nice avoidance of my other points to.
You need to apply for top away supporters badge, son/chap. Maybe you can list all your away day travels and you might get promoted early on the Caf?
 
It is concerning that there's no clear consent on what is needed going forward. Here's my two cents:

GK- Onana* (Bayindir*, Heaton*)
RB- Mazraoui (Dalot)
CB- De Ligt (Yoro, Lindelof*)
CB- Martinez (Maguire, Evans*)
LB- Dorgu (Shaw*)
DM- Ugarte (Casemiro*)
MM- Mainoo (Eriksen*)
AM- Bruno (Mount*)
RW- Amad
CF- Hojlund* (Zirkzee*)
LW- Garnacho

This is United's current first squad. The players with an asterisk are either on their last year of contract, not good enough, constantly injured or too old. Players from the youth team (Heaven, Collyer, Obi) aren't included. Priority should be the positions with either no players unmarked, or not two players in the same position. So, GK and every forward spot. If we switch to Amorim's 3-4-3 the situation should change sligthly.

If we're going to play with a 3-4-3 next season, the situation is more dire than you're suggesting. I like Mazraoui but he's not a proper wingback; Martinez is too injury-prone and can't be counted on to be first choice anymore; Mainoo is showing some signs of being too injury-prone as well and a kid that young should never have been called on to be first choice to begin with; Garnacho is a winger at heart and not suited to playing as one of the 10s in Amorim's system.

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...............Bruno..............................Amad...................
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Dorgu..................................................................NEW
......................Ugarte.............NEW..............................
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..........NEW..................de Ligt...............Maz...............
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Five new players in the first eleven, plus a slew of new backups, is what's needed.
 
It is concerning that there's no clear consent on what is needed going forward. Here's my two cents:

GK- Onana* (Bayindir*, Heaton*)
RB- Mazraoui (Dalot)
CB- De Ligt (Yoro, Lindelof*)
CB- Martinez (Maguire, Evans*)
LB- Dorgu (Shaw*)
DM- Ugarte (Casemiro*)
MM- Mainoo (Eriksen*)
AM- Bruno (Mount*)
RW- Amad
CF- Hojlund* (Zirkzee*)
LW- Garnacho

This is United's current first squad. The players with an asterisk are either on their last year of contract, not good enough, constantly injured or too old. Players from the youth team (Heaven, Collyer, Obi) aren't included. Priority should be the positions with either no players unmarked, or not two players in the same position. So, GK and every forward spot. If we switch to Amorim's 3-4-3 the situation should change sligthly.
No asterisk for Martinez, Maguire and Dalot is absurd.
I’m not sure what your ambition is when you say ‘not good enough’… like for what? At first I assumed you meant not good enough to win the league but then I saw you left our entire back 4 and now I have no idea what you meant ...
 
If the budget allows Cunha, Mbuemo, Osimhen .
Realistically Cherki, Dibling , David
 
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I'm not sure Amorim is gonna be manager next season

Assuming Amad can give you 10-15 non-penalty goals, you need in order a world class forward, a world class wingback, and an elite midfielder, either an organizer type or a two-way defender/ball progressor. A Rodri type would be ideal(might we interest you in Tchouameni?), but you could also do with either a Vieira/Keane type or a Kroos type

These are the priorities, you need those to compete for top 4 in the immediate. The rest(more elite forwards, another wingback, a goalkeeper, better bench options) can come later
 
No asterisk for Martinez, Maguire and Dalot is absurd.
I’m not sure what your ambition is when you say ‘not good enough’… like for what? At first I assumed you meant not good enough to win the league but then I saw you left our entire back 4 and now I have no idea what you meant ...

I stand corrected as Martinez should have an asterisk because of his constant injuries.

In the "not good enough" category I was thinking about the spot they occupy in this particular squad order. For example Maguire and Dalot are (IMO) not good enough to be starters but good enough to be subs, which is the spot I assigned them.
 
United can't afford finished or near finished products. They doesn't wouldn't want to stay out of CL on a regular basis as we do, we can't afford the salaries, there's too many positions we need to strengthen and we're half a decade away from winning the title which means that a 27 year old would be 32 by the time we will be competing. Hence we're going for young players who will grow with us and with one another, who will build a relationship with one another thus increase our tempo and efficiency.

We need to have a close look to the likes of Emegha, Guessand, Nypan, Dibling, Lamine Camara, Stiller etc.
 
Surely the manager has to be given at least one summer window to start building his own team. United are in no position to sack Amorim and start all over again. If he doesn't take at least 2 players from Sporting I'd be surprised.
 
Aleksandro Ribeiro looked very good again tonight. Didn't give Guirassy or Gittens a sniff.

Looks like a better player than Martinez even before his injury.
 
United can't afford finished or near finished products. They doesn't wouldn't want to stay out of CL on a regular basis as we do, we can't afford the salaries, there's too many positions we need to strengthen and we're half a decade away from winning the title which means that a 27 year old would be 32 by the time we will be competing. Hence we're going for young players who will grow with us and with one another, who will build a relationship with one another thus increase our tempo and efficiency.

We need to have a close look to the likes of Emegha, Guessand, Nypan, Dibling, Lamine Camara, Stiller etc.
On the other hand if we sign a bunch of teenagers, we'll be competing for top 15 for the next 10 years under 5 different managers. To build a proper squad going forward, we need instant success (CL qualification). The only way to achieve that is to do clever transfers of players in their primes (22-25, not almost done players like Casemiro or Mount). Think of it as signing a lot of Bruno's by the time he joined us. Players from weaker leagues who want to challenge themselves in the PL.
 
On the other hand if we sign a bunch of teenagers, we'll be competing for top 15 for the next 10 years under 5 different managers. To build a proper squad going forward, we need instant success (CL qualification). The only way to achieve that is to do clever transfers of players in their primes (22-25, not almost done players like Casemiro or Mount). Think of it as signing a lot of Bruno's by the time he joined us. Players from weaker leagues who want to challenge themselves in the PL.
Easier said than done, Bruno’s are a rarity.
 
On the other hand if we sign a bunch of teenagers, we'll be competing for top 15 for the next 10 years under 5 different managers. To build a proper squad going forward, we need instant success (CL qualification). The only way to achieve that is to do clever transfers of players in their primes (22-25, not almost done players like Casemiro or Mount). Think of it as signing a lot of Bruno's by the time he joined us. Players from weaker leagues who want to challenge themselves in the PL.

Maguire is experienced but put him in a high line and anyone could ridicule him with enough pace. Onana is experienced as well yet he can't save shit. Bruno is experienced yet he runs in the pitch like a Husky puppy on a sugar rush. Rashford on the other hand hates running while Shaw has been injured for most of his life and yet he's yet to learn the basics like for example don't make a video ridiculing single mothers on benefits when he's pretty much on benefits himself. So you see, experience is a bit overrated. Give me a 22 year old Scholes, an 18 year old Giggs, an 18 year old Buffon or an 18 year old Maldini and they'll do way better then these tripe

Regarding transfers, Brighton went from 16th (and a history at being at the bottom of the table) to 9th with transfers whose average age was 21. Then they went 6th with transfers whose average age was 20 and had stuck to that formula ever since. The difference here is that we're not Brighton. We can retain our Caicedos and our Cucurellas thus we can build on our success.

That doesn't mean that we won't sign older players yet that must become a rarity and it must be done with the correct mindset, with the right players in mind and under the right circumstances.
 
Maguire is experienced but put him in a high line and anyone could ridicule him with enough pace. Onana is experienced as well yet he can't save shit. Bruno is experienced yet he runs in the pitch like a Husky puppy on a sugar rush. Rashford on the other hand hates running while Shaw has been injured for most of his life and yet he's yet to learn the basics like for example don't make a video ridiculing single mothers on benefits when he's pretty much on benefits himself. So you see, experience is a bit overrated. Give me a 22 year old Scholes, an 18 year old Giggs, an 18 year old Buffon or an 18 year old Maldini and they'll do way better then these tripe

Regarding transfers, Brighton went from 16th (and a history at being at the bottom of the table) to 9th with transfers whose average age was 21. Then they went 6th with transfers whose average age was 20 and had stuck to that formula ever since. The difference here is that we're not Brighton. We can retain our Caicedos and our Cucurellas thus we can build on our success.

That doesn't mean that we won't sign older players yet that must become a rarity and it must be done with the correct mindset, with the right players in mind and under the right circumstances.
Playing for United requires one thing that other clubs don't need: being able to resist media interest and the huge pressure for playing at a top club (that has been underperforming for years). Players like Hojlund got mentally broken after two seasons. Teenagers are very sensitive and pressure can affect their performances. At Brighton you are expected to achieve top 10 at best. At United you are expected to do wonders. That's why we at least need some players who have already played a few seasons on top level. If we only sign players under 20, we will end up in table midfield forever. Of course it's difficult to find the next Bruno's, but the likes of Ugarte, Mazraoui, De Ligt have all been arguably good signings (compared to past ones) and are all in their mid 20s.
 
Playing for United requires one thing that other clubs don't need: being able to resist media interest and the huge pressure for playing at a top club (that has been underperforming for years). Players like Hojlund got mentally broken after two seasons. Teenagers are very sensitive and pressure can affect their performances. At Brighton you are expected to achieve top 10 at best. At United you are expected to do wonders. That's why we at least need some players who have already played a few seasons on top level. If we only sign players under 20, we will end up in table midfield forever. Of course it's difficult to find the next Bruno's, but the likes of Ugarte, Mazraoui, De Ligt have all been arguably good signings (compared to past ones) and are all in their mid 20s.
This is overrated as well. Yes united is a big club and as a big club we get scrutiny and attention. Yet we were q big club under Sir Alex as well. Real Madrid are bigger then us, yet, they don't attract half our attention

So what's the issue here? The issue is that United under the Glazers search for attention. We feed on it for clicks like fleas feed out of crap. That's not say it but Woodward. When he was CEO he used to present that data to potential sponsors..You only have to notice how many interviews Amorim makes every month. It's beyond ridiculous.

So to return to success we need to act like a proper football club again. That means less attention, less players who live on attention and we put the media on line. Gaz would never dare acting like a football manager on telly if Sir Alex was still our manager
 
This is overrated as well. Yes united is a big club and as a big club we get scrutiny and attention. Yet we were q big club under Sir Alex as well. Real Madrid are bigger then us, yet, they don't attract half our attention

So what's the issue here? The issue is that United under the Glazers search for attention. We feed on it for clicks like fleas feed out of crap. That's not say it but Woodward. When he was CEO he used to present that data to potential sponsors..You only have to notice how many interviews Amorim makes every month. It's beyond ridiculous.

So to return to success we need to act like a proper football club again. That means less attention, less players who live on attention and we put the media on line. Gaz would never dare acting like a football manager on telly if Sir Alex was still our manager
You didn't get my point. I just said that young players couldn't handle the pressure, regardless of what the media say. It's just huge to play for this club and just based on this caf, the expectations from the fans are immense. Not to speak of the stupid social media comments. Zirkzee got booed for playing badly. Imagine that happened to a 17 year old.
 
You didn't get my point. I just said that young players couldn't handle the pressure, regardless of what the media say. It's just huge to play for this club and just based on this caf, the expectations from the fans are immense. Not to speak of the stupid social media comments. Zirkzee got booed for playing badly. Imagine that happened to a 17 year old.

As I told you, most of the circus surrounding United is club driven. We use it to prove our sponsors that United is still a popular brand that attract people. Therefore if we decide to act as a proper club by kicking leakers out and by making it obvious that unfair criticism will have consequences than criticism will go down. Just ask Gaz who seem to have an opinion on everything apart from INEOS. You wonder why.

Taking that away then all you're left with is the most patient match going fans in the world (for a top club), a squad that everyone knows that is shit and is in need to an open heart surgery and a fanbase whose got a fetish for young players to the point that would often give them way more chances then they deserve. I mean some even think that there's still life in Shaw's career. I'd say this year is the best year to invest in kids. We'll probably won't qualify for European competition which means that the manager will have more time to drill his philosophy into this team.

PS: I am not suggesting that we only buy 17 year olds. However a squad like this

--------------------Vanja Milinkovic Savic-----------------

Quenda------Yoro----De Ligt--------Martinez-------Dorgu

---------------------Ugarte---------Stiller--------------------

---------------Bruno/Diallo----Guessand/Dybling

-------------------------Retegui/Emegha---------

would hardly get us relegated.
 
As of March, we only need new: owners, head coach, stadium, training ground & facilities, wingbacks, athletic CM, GK, two strikers, pacey CB.
 
Said every summer for years need a mass cull, long before the open surgery comment from Ragnick. ALways promised, never happens...maybe this summer. In terms of who and how many, budget....pointless until we see the outgoings.

But the only players I really want us to keep for differing reasons in the summer maybe not all long term are Mazraoui, DeLigt, Dorgu,Yoro, Heaven, Ugarte, Mainoo, Amad, Obi Martin, Diego Leon too obviously. I really like Martinez but worry about the injuries.

I also hope squad depth wise maybe a couple can step up for regular squad places next summer from the likes of Kukonki, Kamason, Kone,Collyer Fletcher, Lacey, Gore even.

We cant sell everyone else obviously but there are several beyond the obvious I would cash in on or offload to save on wages.

As for incomings:

Quenda - Been so impressed whenever seen him. Really think him and Dorgu on the flanks improves us immensely and both are also really versatile

CB - Think one signing will suffice, not seen much of him in Germany but always liked Lukeba

CM - Backup for Mainoo and free Angel Gomes must be a good option. Both expensive I expect tbut I also really like Wharton and Baleba

As for the three attacking options, really not sure Desire Doue was my dream signing.I like Dibling, Cherki is a huge gamble but very talented...but not fully convinced either are transformative and Ommishen is about the only striker possibly ready.....so Ithink the sounts andall these football menwe have hired need to unearth a gem or two as we definately need 2 new signings in the positions which is crazy with all the youth talent hascome through and money spent.

Ideally we need about 12 signings, reallistically dependant on outgoings 6/7 good signings could be very transformative....Im sick of 5year plans though.Buying well which we havent done fora long time, two summers a team can be transformed
 
As I told you, most of the circus surrounding United is club driven. We use it to prove our sponsors that United is still a popular brand that attract people. Therefore if we decide to act as a proper club by kicking leakers out and by making it obvious that unfair criticism will have consequences than criticism will go down. Just ask Gaz who seem to have an opinion on everything apart from INEOS. You wonder why.

Taking that away then all you're left with is the most patient match going fans in the world (for a top club), a squad that everyone knows that is shit and is in need to an open heart surgery and a fanbase whose got a fetish for young players to the point that would often give them way more chances then they deserve. I mean some even think that there's still life in Shaw's career. I'd say this year is the best year to invest in kids. We'll probably won't qualify for European competition which means that the manager will have more time to drill his philosophy into this team.

PS: I am not suggesting that we only buy 17 year olds. However a squad like this

--------------------Vanja Milinkovic Savic-----------------

Quenda------Yoro----De Ligt--------Martinez-------Dorgu

---------------------Ugarte---------Stiller--------------------

---------------Bruno/Diallo----Guessand/Dybling

-------------------------Retegui/Emegha---------

would hardly get us relegated.
No but wouldn't make us a top 10 either.

Also, Stiller won't move for cheap in the summer as Stuttgart might want to cash in before they lose him for only €35m on 2026 (has a release clause). Bayern seems to be sniffing at him, too so low chance he comes to us. Retegui is great but he really smells like a player who would struggle in the EPL. He is not really pacey and our last two Serie A strikers have struggled hard here. Emegha sounds a bit better but he for me is a number two. We at least need one of Gyokeres/Osimhen/Sesko imo. Guessand I don't know much about him. Dibling would make sense if se sell Garnacho.
 
No but wouldn't make us a top 10 either.

Also, Stiller won't move for cheap in the summer as Stuttgart might want to cash in before they lose him for only €35m on 2026 (has a release clause). Bayern seems to be sniffing at him, too so low chance he comes to us. Retegui is great but he really smells like a player who would struggle in the EPL. He is not really pacey and our last two Serie A strikers have struggled hard here. Emegha sounds a bit better but he for me is a number two. We at least need one of Gyokeres/Osimhen/Sesko imo. Guessand I don't know much about him. Dibling would make sense if se sell Garnacho.

Actually the aim is a top 6 position which I think its quite achievable considering that Nottingham Forest and Newcastle are in that ball park. I believe that you're underestimating the huge benefits United will have by not being bogged down into Europe. That would give us the time to properly rest between games and get tactics drilled into them. Napoli ended 10th last season and they lost Osimhen and Zeilinski. One year later and three EPL rejects later (Lukaku, McT and Gilmour) they are at 2nd place one point away from Inter.

Now let's have a look at the signings.

Retegui is not Zirkzee. He's an old school striker whose got an excellent eye for goal. He's 6ft1, he had made his bones in Argentina which is far more aggressive then the methodical Serie A. Regarding his speed according to UEFA his top speed is 33.33km/h. He's not a speedster but he's faster then Kane (30.35km/h) and around the likes of Watkins (33km/h) and Marmoush (33.42km/h). On top of that he's got a 43m minimum clause inserted in his contract and Atalanta would probably ask less if Hojlund is involved in the deal. That means if things go South then we'll be able to recoup the money back.These are the type of signings we should engage in especially for experienced players. Vanja Milinkovic Savic for example is experienced, he's add physicality and dominance in the box, he's a great goal stopper and he knows United well. He's on a low salary and his contract ends in 2026. If we sell Oh nono then he'll be a catch.

Now on the other signings. Dibling is young, he's got great technique and versatility and Southampton are set to be relegated. He should come for a reasonable fee. Guessand is doing wonders in France (11 goals and 7 assists in 31 matches). Similarly to Dibling he can play different positions (including striker and no 10) and he plays for a certain Nice FC. We might be able to add Stiller on the cheap (40m euros) considering his clause on 2026, then there's Nypan as well and free transfers such as Mitchell and Regulon who'd give us cover assuming Malacia leaves.

PS: I'd sell Garnacho. He's not that good, he represent pure profit and his decision making/attitude is awful. I dare to say I'd sell Mainoo as well if he's really asking for a silly salary.
 
Actually the aim is a top 6 position which I think its quite achievable considering that Nottingham Forest and Newcastle are in that ball park. I believe that you're underestimating the huge benefits United will have by not being bogged down into Europe. That would give us the time to properly rest between games and get tactics drilled into them. Napoli ended 10th last season and they lost Osimhen and Zeilinski. One year later and three EPL rejects later (Lukaku, McT and Gilmour) they are at 2nd place one point away from Inter.

Now let's have a look at the signings.

Retegui is not Zirkzee. He's an old school striker whose got an excellent eye for goal. He's 6ft1, he had made his bones in Argentina which is far more aggressive then the methodical Serie A. Regarding his speed according to UEFA his top speed is 33.33km/h. He's not a speedster but he's faster then Kane (30.35km/h) and around the likes of Watkins (33km/h) and Marmoush (33.42km/h). On top of that he's got a 43m minimum clause inserted in his contract and Atalanta would probably ask less if Hojlund is involved in the deal. That means if things go South then we'll be able to recoup the money back.These are the type of signings we should engage in especially for experienced players. Vanja Milinkovic Savic for example is experienced, he's add physicality and dominance in the box, he's a great goal stopper and he knows United well. He's on a low salary and his contract ends in 2026. If we sell Oh nono then he'll be a catch.

Now on the other signings. Dibling is young, he's got great technique and versatility and Southampton are set to be relegated. He should come for a reasonable fee. Guessand is doing wonders in France (11 goals and 7 assists in 31 matches). Similarly to Dibling he can play different positions (including striker and no 10) and he plays for a certain Nice FC. We might be able to add Stiller on the cheap (40m euros) considering his clause on 2026, then there's Nypan as well and free transfers such as Mitchell and Regulon who'd give us cover assuming Malacia leaves.

PS: I'd sell Garnacho. He's not that good, he represent pure profit and his decision making/attitude is awful. I dare to say I'd sell Mainoo as well if he's really asking for a silly salary.
I agree on Garnacho and Savic but disagree on Rategui/Dibling/Guessand.

United rank 19th in the premier league for chances created from take ons, I.E a winger beating a defender and creating a chance. Now it doesn't have to be a winger plenty of teams have full backs or strikers who could do it but for almost every side this is primarily the role of wingers.

There's no point in signing Gyokeres/Rategui and expecting them to replicate the form in this United team when we don't have wingers capable of creating the type of chances they live on. Gyokeres scores an ungodly amount of 1 touch finishes in the box because he's attacking crosses from elite level 1v1 players. Amorims sporting side was #1 in Portugal for all of the chances/goals created from take on stats.

Rategui is a good player but he has lookman who ranks 93rd percentile for shot creating actions/86th percentile for assists/ 88th for progressive carries and 70th for successful take ons and De Ketelare whose superb in all these departments as well.

United desperately need some forward players capable of dribbling/playing 1v1. Otherwise it's just slow recycling the ball and ultimately losing possession because Garnacho or Dalot can't beat a defender to save their life.
Someone like Cunha/Lookman would massively benefit both Hojlund/Zirkzee, alternatively you have Cherki at Lyon who could plau right 10 with Amad at right wing back, Lyon has serious financial problems so he should be available at a decent price.

I'd also love to see us look at Kevin Lopes from Shaktar since he was the #1 player in this seasons champions league in this category. Shaktar only paid 10m for him so he'd certainly be cheaper than Cunha.

What I have no doubt about whatsoever is the skillset that any attacking signing this summer has to have and that's dribbling. We can't have a functioning attack without someone whose capable in this area. Just look at the best teams in Europe like Madrid with Vinicius (top 1% in the world) Mbappe (top 5%) and Rodyrgo. Or Barcelona with Yamal (again top 1%) Bayern with Olise/Sane/Musiala.

Watching United passing backwards and sidesways because we simply don't have a forward capable of beatiung a defender 1v1 is maddening then people suggest we spend big money on a #9 to do what exactly? Stand in the box like Ras or Zirkzee hoping Dalot/Shaw or Garnacho somehow turn into Vinicus or Yamal?
 
I agree on Garnacho and Savic but disagree on Rategui/Dibling/Guessand.

United rank 19th in the premier league for chances created from take ons, I.E a winger beating a defender and creating a chance. Now it doesn't have to be a winger plenty of teams have full backs or strikers who could do it but for almost every side this is primarily the role of wingers.

There's no point in signing Gyokeres/Rategui and expecting them to replicate the form in this United team when we don't have wingers capable of creating the type of chances they live on. Gyokeres scores an ungodly amount of 1 touch finishes in the box because he's attacking crosses from elite level 1v1 players. Amorims sporting side was #1 in Portugal for all of the chances/goals created from take on stats.

Rategui is a good player but he has lookman who ranks 93rd percentile for shot creating actions/86th percentile for assists/ 88th for progressive carries and 70th for successful take ons and De Ketelare whose superb in all these departments as well.

United desperately need some forward players capable of dribbling/playing 1v1. Otherwise it's just slow recycling the ball and ultimately losing possession because Garnacho or Dalot can't beat a defender to save their life.
Someone like Cunha/Lookman would massively benefit both Hojlund/Zirkzee, alternatively you have Cherki at Lyon who could plau right 10 with Amad at right wing back, Lyon has serious financial problems so he should be available at a decent price.

I'd also love to see us look at Kevin Lopes from Shaktar since he was the #1 player in this seasons champions league in this category. Shaktar only paid 10m for him so he'd certainly be cheaper than Cunha.

What I have no doubt about whatsoever is the skillset that any attacking signing this summer has to have and that's dribbling. We can't have a functioning attack without someone whose capable in this area. Just look at the best teams in Europe like Madrid with Vinicius (top 1% in the world) Mbappe (top 5%) and Rodyrgo. Or Barcelona with Yamal (again top 1%) Bayern with Olise/Sane/Musiala.

Watching United passing backwards and sidesways because we simply don't have a forward capable of beatiung a defender 1v1 is maddening then people suggest we spend big money on a #9 to do what exactly? Stand in the box like Ras or Zirkzee hoping Dalot/Shaw or Garnacho somehow turn into Vinicus or Yamal?

There are 3 problems at Manchester United

a- there's terrible unrest in the dressing room. I heard that from very good sources but you can see it on the pitch with certain players refusing to pass the ball unless it gets desperate

b- we lack the personnel to play Amorim's system. The wingbacks don't bomb forward which means that we have zero width. We lack that B2B CM who can do a bit of everything (creating, help the DM in defending etc) which means that the transition from defense to CM is weak. We lack athleticism which means that we get easily bullied on the pitch. Our AMC think that they are Cristiano Ronaldo (ie they try and dribble past players and constantly shoot) when in reality they're more of a Saint-Maximin and our strikers lack the movement and the ability to make themselves available to score.

Thus yes Ratagui or Gyokores on his own won't sort the issue. Hence why in my plan I'm going for a striker whose while being excellent in putting the ball in the net won't cost us a fortune like Gyokores would

Now let's look at my formation

GK: Onana is scaring the shit out of our defense which is the single thing a GK can't afford to do. You can have Maldini, Baresi and Stam at the back but they'll still look shit if they have to make sure that whatever happens the goalkeeper doesn't touch the ball. Vanja is not Buffon. He's a solid GK, with great reflexes, a huge frame (6.8ft), who won't let anyone mess in his box, he comes from a football family which means they had been eating, drinking and shitting football since they were born and he knows Manchester United. The guy would keep our defenders in line and defenders will trust him

WB: we need Wingbacks that can play like wingbacks ie their main priority is to attack. That's vital because that's what stretches the opponent's defenses up to allow the overload of our 2 AMC + STK. While defending is not their main priority they still have to have enough physicality to take down wingers when defending and loads of stamina. Dorgu is a decent signing on the left. I have my reservations on Quenda (mostly due to price and size) but its the guy Amorim wants and the guy he'll probably gets. There's plenty of good things about the guy as well (versatility, skill etc)

CB: I have two issues about CBs. First of all they are too damn slow to play a high line (Yoro and Heaven should improve on that but they are still kids) and secondly its Martinez whose becoming injury prone. Unfortunately I concede that Rome wasn't built in a day and while I'd still add a CB on the cheap who is still not a child, I don't have a clue on who.

DM: Casemiro is a god damn problem since he refuse to leave. Ugarte is decent as a DM and Colyer must do for the time being with help from Kone

MC: This is one of the most sensitive positions to tackle as we need someone who can play both the DM and the MC ie someone like a Caicedo could do. Unfortunately we won't be getting anyone near to that sort of player. Hence we need to think of cheaper options such as Stiller. If Mainoo does leave though then we can aim for another CM who would fit the system more

AMC: Dibling got a decent frame, his dribbling is quite good, he's versatile and he's very mature for his age. He's the 10th most fouled player in the division for a reason. Sure his assists aren't extraordinary. However we're talking of a young player here playing with the worst side in the EPL so don't expect wonders on that regard. Guessand possess great speed, athleticism and is quite technical himself. He's in the 91% for successful dribbling. Once again we're talking of a powerful forward at 6ft2 who looks like a battering ram. Both have experience both at the flanks and in CM which makes them good candidates for that winger/AM hybrid. With Diallo and Bruno taking the other role.

Which leads us to upfront. When one considering the improvements done across the team than I'd safely say that we can gamble on a striker that has a good eye for goal (he's got decent movement too though he's not a 9.5 BS). Retegui won't spend most of the game trying to bully the CB like Hojlund does and he certainly doesn't feel awkward in the box like Zirkzee does. He'll score goals if provided service which I feel we'll get in that team.

This team won't win the EPL title and its certainly not Bayern or Real. However it will improve us enough for a top 6 position (top 4 if we're lucky). On top of that its a team on the rise and were new signings will improve every season. The expense for each signing won't be too high which means that if they fail then we'll sell them for their price worth (or a slight dip)
 
There are 3 problems at Manchester United

a- there's terrible unrest in the dressing room. I heard that from very good sources but you can see it on the pitch with certain players refusing to pass the ball unless it gets desperate

b- we lack the personnel to play Amorim's system. The wingbacks don't bomb forward which means that we have zero width. We lack that B2B CM who can do a bit of everything (creating, help the DM in defending etc) which means that the transition from defense to CM is weak. We lack athleticism which means that we get easily bullied on the pitch. Our AMC think that they are Cristiano Ronaldo (ie they try and dribble past players and constantly shoot) when in reality they're more of a Saint-Maximin and our strikers lack the movement and the ability to make themselves available to score.

Thus yes Ratagui or Gyokores on his own won't sort the issue. Hence why in my plan I'm going for a striker whose while being excellent in putting the ball in the net won't cost us a fortune like Gyokores would

Now let's look at my formation

GK: Onana is scaring the shit out of our defense which is the single thing a GK can't afford to do. You can have Maldini, Baresi and Stam at the back but they'll still look shit if they have to make sure that whatever happens the goalkeeper doesn't touch the ball. Vanja is not Buffon. He's a solid GK, with great reflexes, a huge frame (6.8ft), who won't let anyone mess in his box, he comes from a football family which means they had been eating, drinking and shitting football since they were born and he knows Manchester United. The guy would keep our defenders in line and defenders will trust him

WB: we need Wingbacks that can play like wingbacks ie their main priority is to attack. That's vital because that's what stretches the opponent's defenses up to allow the overload of our 2 AMC + STK. While defending is not their main priority they still have to have enough physicality to take down wingers when defending and loads of stamina. Dorgu is a decent signing on the left. I have my reservations on Quenda (mostly due to price and size) but its the guy Amorim wants and the guy he'll probably gets. There's plenty of good things about the guy as well (versatility, skill etc)

CB: I have two issues about CBs. First of all they are too damn slow to play a high line (Yoro and Heaven should improve on that but they are still kids) and secondly its Martinez whose becoming injury prone. Unfortunately I concede that Rome wasn't built in a day and while I'd still add a CB on the cheap who is still not a child, I don't have a clue on who.

DM: Casemiro is a god damn problem since he refuse to leave. Ugarte is decent as a DM and Colyer must do for the time being with help from Kone

MC: This is one of the most sensitive positions to tackle as we need someone who can play both the DM and the MC ie someone like a Caicedo could do. Unfortunately we won't be getting anyone near to that sort of player. Hence we need to think of cheaper options such as Stiller. If Mainoo does leave though then we can aim for another CM who would fit the system more

AMC: Dibling got a decent frame, his dribbling is quite good, he's versatile and he's very mature for his age. He's the 10th most fouled player in the division for a reason. Sure his assists aren't extraordinary. However we're talking of a young player here playing with the worst side in the EPL so don't expect wonders on that regard. Guessand possess great speed, athleticism and is quite technical himself. He's in the 91% for successful dribbling. Once again we're talking of a powerful forward at 6ft2 who looks like a battering ram. Both have experience both at the flanks and in CM which makes them good candidates for that winger/AM hybrid. With Diallo and Bruno taking the other role.

Which leads us to upfront. When one considering the improvements done across the team than I'd safely say that we can gamble on a striker that has a good eye for goal (he's got decent movement too though he's not a 9.5 BS). Retegui won't spend most of the game trying to bully the CB like Hojlund does and he certainly doesn't feel awkward in the box like Zirkzee does. He'll score goals if provided service which I feel we'll get in that team.

This team won't win the EPL title and its certainly not Bayern or Real. However it will improve us enough for a top 6 position (top 4 if we're lucky). On top of that its a team on the rise and were new signings will improve every season. The expense for each signing won't be too high which means that if they fail then we'll sell them for their price worth (or a slight dip)
I can't really comment on #1 but I imagine the not passing involves Garnacho/Hojlund is some capacity. Both of them are largely a dead end for our attacks because ironically both of them need a team mate who can create space/chances for them.

This still doesn't change the larger point I was making in my post that United simply have to sign attacking players who can play 1v1. Madrid have 3 of them (more if you include Endrick/Arda) and it's frankly absurd that United are 19th in the premier league for this.

Gyokeres literally has the two highest performing players in Portugal for this category as team mates. Ir's the equivalent of a striker lining up in La Liga with Vinicus on one wing and Yamal on the other. To think he's going to move from a team that ranks #1 in this category to #19 and replicate the same sort of form is sheer ignorance. Ratagui has Lookman and De Ketelaere.

There has NEVER been a single team that has won the champions league without at least one forward capable of completing 2+ dribbles per game. Madrid with Vini/Benzema or Ronaldo/Bale. Barca with Messi/Neymar/Suarez, Bayern with Robben/Ribery or Sane/Coman/Gnabry. Liverpool with Salah/Mane I could go on and on. There's just no such thing as an elite attack without players capable in this area and United have gone from having fairly average players in this department like Rashford/Sancho to historically bad with Garnacho.

Yes we need wingbacks, we also need at least two centre backs and two wingers along with a new goalkeeper and a striker but since it's incredibly unlikely we can sign all of these players in one window we're going to have to prioritise.

Now if you think the priority is to sign a box to box midfielder then I think you're bonkers. Priority #1 and #2 is wingers who are actually capable of creating on their own. As soon as we have these you will no longer have midfielders passing the ball into the abyss. We have midfielders who actually put up very good numbers for their position unfortunately they're on the same team as forwards putting up borderline league 1 numbers, the solution isn't to replace the midfielders it's to go buy some better forwards.

Sign Cunha from Wolves, bring in Kevin Lopes from Shaktar or Cherki at Lyon. Sign Eze from Palace and use him as a 10 but the one characteristic they must have is the ability to dribble and create chances.

As far as right wing backs are concerned if United spend close to reported number on Quenda then we deserve everything we get. Luis Henrique plays right wing back for Marseille under De Zerbi and is a much more established player. Sign Vanderson who plays right back at Monaco but has excellent numbers. https://ibb.co/67krPq67

Amorim should be describing the profile of player he needs and the recruitment team should go and get it. Or sign a right winger and use Amad as the wing back as he was excellent there.

Over and over I hear fans saying "why can't we recruit like Liverpool/Brighton or Bournemouth" and when you point out how these teams all use a data driven approach that fan is all for it until said data disagrees with their eye test hot take. If you want a data driven signing for right wing back then you don't sign Quenda, certainly not for rumoured numbers. Nor do you spend big money on a box to box midfielder when the data clearly highlights the areas of the squad that need to be massively improved for that midfielder to perform the way you want.

The ideal summer would look something like Cunha+ another forward then Huijsen/Vanderson. I doubt we'd have much money after that if those players were even an option. If not then Aleksandro Riberiro at Lille who had an excellent partnership with Yoro or Zabarnyi at Bournmouth.
 
I can't really comment on #1 but I imagine the not passing involves Garnacho/Hojlund is some capacity. Both of them are largely a dead end for our attacks because ironically both of them need a team mate who can create space/chances for them.

This still doesn't change the larger point I was making in my post that United simply have to sign attacking players who can play 1v1. Madrid have 3 of them (more if you include Endrick/Arda) and it's frankly absurd that United are 19th in the premier league for this.

Gyokeres literally has the two highest performing players in Portugal for this category as team mates. Ir's the equivalent of a striker lining up in La Liga with Vinicus on one wing and Yamal on the other. To think he's going to move from a team that ranks #1 in this category to #19 and replicate the same sort of form is sheer ignorance. Ratagui has Lookman and De Ketelaere.

There has NEVER been a single team that has won the champions league without at least one forward capable of completing 2+ dribbles per game. Madrid with Vini/Benzema or Ronaldo/Bale. Barca with Messi/Neymar/Suarez, Bayern with Robben/Ribery or Sane/Coman/Gnabry. Liverpool with Salah/Mane I could go on and on. There's just no such thing as an elite attack without players capable in this area and United have gone from having fairly average players in this department like Rashford/Sancho to historically bad with Garnacho.

Yes we need wingbacks, we also need at least two centre backs and two wingers along with a new goalkeeper and a striker but since it's incredibly unlikely we can sign all of these players in one window we're going to have to prioritise.

Now if you think the priority is to sign a box to box midfielder then I think you're bonkers. Priority #1 and #2 is wingers who are actually capable of creating on their own. As soon as we have these you will no longer have midfielders passing the ball into the abyss. We have midfielders who actually put up very good numbers for their position unfortunately they're on the same team as forwards putting up borderline league 1 numbers, the solution isn't to replace the midfielders it's to go buy some better forwards.

Sign Cunha from Wolves, bring in Kevin Lopes from Shaktar or Cherki at Lyon. Sign Eze from Palace and use him as a 10 but the one characteristic they must have is the ability to dribble and create chances.

As far as right wing backs are concerned if United spend close to reported number on Quenda then we deserve everything we get. Luis Henrique plays right wing back for Marseille under De Zerbi and is a much more established player. Sign Vanderson who plays right back at Monaco but has excellent numbers. https://ibb.co/67krPq67

Amorim should be describing the profile of player he needs and the recruitment team should go and get it. Or sign a right winger and use Amad as the wing back as he was excellent there.

Over and over I hear fans saying "why can't we recruit like Liverpool/Brighton or Bournemouth" and when you point out how these teams all use a data driven approach that fan is all for it until said data disagrees with their eye test hot take. If you want a data driven signing for right wing back then you don't sign Quenda, certainly not for rumoured numbers. Nor do you spend big money on a box to box midfielder when the data clearly highlights the areas of the squad that need to be massively improved for that midfielder to perform the way you want.

The ideal summer would look something like Cunha+ another forward then Huijsen/Vanderson. I doubt we'd have much money after that if those players were even an option. If not then Aleksandro Riberiro at Lille who had an excellent partnership with Yoro or Zabarnyi at Bournmouth.
I am referring to the countless times when forwards who are in better positions are constantly being ignored by the likes of Rashford and Garnacho, the one million and one Hollywood pass Bruno does that are rarely beneficial, the way the likes of Casemiro had forgotten the very basics of positioning and defending and would bomb forward, shoot from impossible positions and then ruthlessly tackle from positions he shouldn't be in let alone tackle in, the numerous times players were caught walking on the pitch or refuse to backtrack, the constant mistakes Onana does game in game out that are very basic and should be avoided even by Championship level Goalkeepers. This squad is nowhere near the treble side but they are still top half table EPL level players. Yet their mistakes and their passing is anything but that.

On top of that there's mountains of leaks, players on loan writing stupid comments such as Freedom, players suddenly rediscovering form immediately after leaving us when they were absolutely dog shit with us for years, the likes of Lindelof who conveniently get injured during the transfer window and get fit soon afterwards so there's no pressure for him to leave, players committing to our cause on twitter when its evident that we want them out, players who vanish in the treatment room and stay there up until their contract ends (unless England calls).

So yes we're sinking in toxicity at United which is why I am totally against the 'let's sign just 2-3 good players' mantra. We need to clear the decks here and we need to handle as many staff turnover as humanely possible with young players whose got the hunger and the ambition to do better.
 
Over the next few windows, a new spine needs to be brought into the team. To finance such a drastic overhaul of the squad, many players will need to be moved out, including some popular names such as Mainoo & Garnacho.

CB - Diomende / Schlotterbeck
WB - Quenda
M - Ederson & Bouaddi
AM - Eze / Trincao / Simons
ST - Gyökeres & Delap

Many will ask "why would some of these players join United?" which is understandable. However, never underestimate the pulling power of a great name - and Manchester United have one of the greatest in world football. Several former Amorim players from Sporting would also have the personal connection with the coach who gave them their debuts and helped them to where they are today.

An upgrade at GK is also sorely needed. I'd give a chance to the young, promising keepers Radek Vítek, Harrison & Graczyk before splashing out on somebody new. Altay is at least an upgrade on the useless Onana, so should be retained.
 
Over the next few windows, a new spine needs to be brought into the team. To finance such a drastic overhaul of the squad, many players will need to be moved out, including some popular names such as Mainoo & Garnacho.

CB - Diomende / Schlotterbeck
WB - Quenda
M - Ederson & Bouaddi
AM - Eze / Trincao / Simons
ST - Gyökeres & Delap

Many will ask "why would some of these players join United?" which is understandable. However, never underestimate the pulling power of a great name - and Manchester United have one of the greatest in world football. Several former Amorim players from Sporting would also have the personal connection with the coach who gave them their debuts and helped them to where they are today.

An upgrade at GK is also sorely needed. I'd give a chance to the young, promising keepers Radek Vítek, Harrison & Graczyk before splashing out on somebody new. Altay is at least an upgrade on the useless Onana, so should be retained.

Most of those players will have better options than us sadly.

We don't have the budget for a lot of them either anyway. It's been communicated that we want to sign young players with a view to the future so the only two on that list I think we are likely to sign are Quenda and Delap.
 
Most of those players will have better options than us sadly.

We don't have the budget for a lot of them either anyway. It's been communicated that we want to sign young players with a view to the future so the only two on that list I think we are likely to sign are Quenda and Delap.
Err...no, half that list are young = Delap, Simons, Diomende, Bouyaddi & Quenda are all 22 or younger, with the last two being teenagers, so plenty of youth there.

You talk about lack of budget...did you not notice I said "next few windows" i.e. not all in one summer window. United need time to gradually get rid of all the overpaid underperformers and crocks.

I said that other teams would likely appear ahead of Utd when it comes to attracting players but you cannot overlook the draw of Utd either. They are still in the hunt for just about anybody, regardless of the shite year they have had in the league.
 
I am referring to the countless times when forwards who are in better positions are constantly being ignored by the likes of Rashford and Garnacho, the one million and one Hollywood pass Bruno does that are rarely beneficial, the way the likes of Casemiro had forgotten the very basics of positioning and defending and would bomb forward, shoot from impossible positions and then ruthlessly tackle from positions he shouldn't be in let alone tackle in, the numerous times players were caught walking on the pitch or refuse to backtrack, the constant mistakes Onana does game in game out that are very basic and should be avoided even by Championship level Goalkeepers. This squad is nowhere near the treble side but they are still top half table EPL level players. Yet their mistakes and their passing is anything but that.

On top of that there's mountains of leaks, players on loan writing stupid comments such as Freedom, players suddenly rediscovering form immediately after leaving us when they were absolutely dog shit with us for years, the likes of Lindelof who conveniently get injured during the transfer window and get fit soon afterwards so there's no pressure for him to leave, players committing to our cause on twitter when its evident that we want them out, players who vanish in the treatment room and stay there up until their contract ends (unless England calls).

So yes we're sinking in toxicity at United which is why I am totally against the 'let's sign just 2-3 good players' mantra. We need to clear the decks here and we need to handle as many staff turnover as humanely possible with young players whose got the hunger and the ambition to do better.
I'm all for clearing the decks but much of what we'd ideally like to do seems incredibly unlikely. Casemiro has a year left on his deal and seems like he has no intention of leaving. No one is going to pay us for Mason Mount or Luke Shaw and I doubt either will be keen to move on or have many offers. Maguire is signed on for another year.

Sancho is gone and Rashford/Anthony/Malacia will almost certainly go to. Lindelof/Erikson/Evans all gone as well.

That leaves the squad with 1 left winger, Garnacho who is already not close to good enough. Amad is excellent but he can't be our only option on right wing especially after this latest injury. It's simply not possible to go into next season with 1 winger for each side.

In an ideal world we'd have no financial restrictions and could carryout a 10+ player squad transformation but like I said in the previous post with limited funds you simply have to prioritise.
I am referring to the countless times when forwards who are in better positions are constantly being ignored by the likes of Rashford and Garnacho, the one million and one Hollywood pass Bruno does that are rarely beneficial, the way the likes of Casemiro had forgotten the very basics of positioning and defending and would bomb forward, shoot from impossible positions and then ruthlessly tackle from positions he shouldn't be in let alone tackle in, the numerous times players were caught walking on the pitch or refuse to backtrack, the constant mistakes Onana does game in game out that are very basic and should be avoided even by Championship level Goalkeepers. This squad is nowhere near the treble side but they are still top half table EPL level players. Yet their mistakes and their passing is anything but that.

On top of that there's mountains of leaks, players on loan writing stupid comments such as Freedom, players suddenly rediscovering form immediately after leaving us when they were absolutely dog shit with us for years, the likes of Lindelof who conveniently get injured during the transfer window and get fit soon afterwards so there's no pressure for him to leave, players committing to our cause on twitter when its evident that we want them out, players who vanish in the treatment room and stay there up until their contract ends (unless England calls).

So yes we're sinking in toxicity at United which is why I am totally against the 'let's sign just 2-3 good players' mantra. We need to clear the decks here and we need to handle as many staff turnover as humanely possible with young players whose got the hunger and the ambition to do better.
 
———————New GK——————
——-Yoro—De Ligt—-Martinez—-
Quenda—Ugarte-New CM-Dorgu
——-New AM———-Bruno————
——————-New CF———————

We’re gonna have to do some serious selling to plug these holes. Garnacho is surely getting sold to pay for it, and we’ll probably only be able to afford 4 or 5 Dorgu level signings.

That's exactly the positions we need to address this summer, could possibly add a CB as Licha won't be back until late in the year. The only problem is how on earth do we fund 4/5 signings in our financial situation.
 
No but wouldn't make us a top 10 either.

Also, Stiller won't move for cheap in the summer as Stuttgart might want to cash in before they lose him for only €35m on 2026 (has a release clause). Bayern seems to be sniffing at him, too so low chance he comes to us. Retegui is great but he really smells like a player who would struggle in the EPL. He is not really pacey and our last two Serie A strikers have struggled hard here. Emegha sounds a bit better but he for me is a number two. We at least need one of Gyokeres/Osimhen/Sesko imo. Guessand I don't know much about him. Dibling would make sense if se sell Garnacho.

We definitely need one of those strikers, however persuading any of them without Champions League looks an enormous challenge

Ideally we could sign a midfielder who is able to play both a DM and CM hybrid role, that way we could spend on other positions as well.
 
Id still try to sway Quinten Timber.. He is just such an allround awesome player in midfield.. Combined power, technique, lungs, responsibility, workrate, scoring ability.. He is also so versatile you could quite easily fit him into any system.. He will be a valuable squad player with the potential and age to only become better, who wont be dependant on which manager would want to play which formation..
 
That's exactly the positions we need to address this summer, could possibly add a CB as Licha won't be back until late in the year. The only problem is how on earth do we fund 4/5 signings in our financial situation.
The answer is that we don’t, or possibly we do but not the type of players that people are naming here
 
That's exactly the positions we need to address this summer, could possibly add a CB as Licha won't be back until late in the year. The only problem is how on earth do we fund 4/5 signings in our financial situation.
Yeah I’d be looking at replacing Martinez as well, I’m just not sure where the cash comes from. I don’t see us being able to raise the funds through sales that many on here think.