What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

Felix fails Amorims physicality and work rate tests - pretty clear he is looking to inject more power and drive into the squad at a younger age

I may be proved wrong but it looks to me like the management and Amorim are aligned around adding a new group of younger bigger stronger faster players and will augment that new core once it’s gelled

It seems to be all about project anniversary - getting it right over 3 seasons not targeting 25/26 so if that right it’s going to need patience - just what this place is famous for ……
 
If we are struggling with PSR, going to finish say 10th with each place lower in the table meaning £3m less in the pot, probably no Europe next year, £20m to replace EtH, £300m in transfers still to pay off and some huge salaries still to shift it will be an interesting summer. A lot of it will come down to who we can shift, Casemiro, Rashford and Garnacho the big questions.
With no Europe we could have a smaller squad, I think we will target young cheaper players with potential that fit the system, Striker is probably the biggest question mark given the cost of buying anyone
 
Michael T said:
What about Evan Ferguson for the striker spot? News is that Brighton are okay with selling him this window?
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Honestly think Ruben is happy to hold out for Gyokeres/Osimhen in the summer
 
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Looks like we’re assembling a squad of two, and only two for each position.

Onana
Bayindir

Yoro. De Ligt Martinez
Mazraoui Maguire Heaven

Ugarte Mainoo
Collyer. Bruno

Dalot. Dorgu
Quenda. Leon

Amad. Garnacho
Mount Tel

Hojlund
Zirkzee

I’ve only written this post out of frustration that it looks like we’re not bringing in a striker because Hojlund and Zirkzee so I’m not going to bother sorting the spacing.
 
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friendlytramp said:
Looks like we’re assembling a squad of two, and only two for each position.

Onana
Bayindir

Yoro. De Ligt Martinez
Mazraoui Maguire Heaven

Ugarte Mainoo
Collyer. Bruno

Dalot. Dorgu
Quenda. Leon

Amad. Garnacho
Mount Tel

Hojlund
Zirkzee

I’ve only written this post out of frustration that it looks like we’re not bringing in a striker because Hojlund and Zirkzee so I’m not going to bother sorting the spacing.
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Looks that way + then an extra option who can play there as a secondary position. Eg. Mazraoui for the WBs, Bruno/Mainoo for the AMs, Tel for the striker.

That squad still needs a lot of work though before we’re securely back in the top 4 / challenging.
 
friendlytramp said:
Looks like we’re assembling a squad of two, and only two for each position.

Onana
Bayindir

Yoro. De Ligt Martinez
Mazraoui Maguire Heaven

Ugarte Mainoo
Collyer. Bruno

Dalot. Dorgu
Quenda. Leon

Amad. Garnacho
Mount Tel

Hojlund
Zirkzee

I’ve only written this post out of frustration that it looks like we’re not bringing in a striker because Hojlund and Zirkzee so I’m not going to bother sorting the spacing.
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we definitely will sign a CF next summer. Can't go into another season with only those two
 
friendlytramp said:
Looks like we’re assembling a squad of two, and only two for each position.

Onana
Bayindir

Yoro. De Ligt Martinez
Mazraoui Maguire Heaven

Ugarte Mainoo
Collyer. Bruno

Dalot. Dorgu
Quenda. Leon

Amad. Garnacho
Mount Tel

Hojlund
Zirkzee

I’ve only written this post out of frustration that it looks like we’re not bringing in a striker because Hojlund and Zirkzee so I’m not going to bother sorting the spacing.
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If we bring in Quenda, Tel and Gyokeres, that will almost get us there. I would also bring in a very good DM, one that can substitute for Ugarte as well as play along side him. With Dorgu, Leon, Tel, Quenda, Gyokeres and a CM, we should have a very young, solid team that just needs to gel and get used to Amorim's system.
 
FrankWhite said:
If we bring in Quenda, Tel and Gyokeres, that will almost get us there. I would also bring in a very good DM, one that can substitute for Ugarte as well as play along side him. With Dorgu, Leon, Tel, Quenda, Gyokeres and a CM, we should have a very young, solid team that just needs to gel and get used to Amorim's system.
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Could that Ederson rotate with Ugarte or do you feel he doesn't really fit Ruben's system
 
Ideal thing here is Tel on loan with option to buy. That way we get some legs and firepower, and can make it permanent if he hits the ground running.

Otherwise go in for Cunha with his new £62.5m release clause who looks perfect fit. Plus a new striker for the 9.
 
RWB (Quenda), top class striker, and a midfielder with good physicality will be the three priority signings we need IMO. Usually we spend between £150m to £180m in summer window. We should be able to afford these three positions without waiting to sell first.
 
croadyman said:
Could that Ederson rotate with Ugarte or do you feel he doesn't really fit Ruben's system
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Possibly, I haven't watched him really. But his fbref stats suggests he might be. He can progress the game reasonably well, can carry it, gets around the pitch, can tackle and has physical presence. We've been linked with him as well.
 
With Maguire, De Ligt, Yoro, Dalot, Mazraoui, Martinez and Heaven (and maybe Shaw) - shall we assume that Amorim is happy with the defenders we have available ? At least to the point that a new defender wont be a priority in the summer.
 
We need a strong new RWB and I am unsure if Quenda is the solution with his 17 years.
 
It's still very clear that our recruitment and contract extension are the worst in the league.
Yoro should be 25-30M pound at most. He's got tiny talent but no where near best young defender who cost 52M pound at all.
Ugarte should be 25-30M pound at most. He's not progressive, not fast and not good at aerial duel so it's not the league for him.
Amad who did some good moment and we awarded 120K pound/week too much too soon. You see Chelsea only give Cole Palmer 130K/week.

If the manager are not best version of Pep or Kloop or Ferguson, it's too hard to push this team forward because we have too many tiny players, too many slow players
,too many insufficient technical players and too many players who always lost any duel with one step slower.

Amorim did wonderful things at Sporting because the recruitment and Sport director playing important factor to bring the good squad fitting his playing style.
He will never get it here at Man United.
 
lysglimt said:
With Maguire, De Ligt, Yoro, Dalot, Mazraoui, Martinez and Heaven (and maybe Shaw) - shall we assume that Amorim is happy with the defenders we have available ? At least to the point that a new defender wont be a priority in the summer.
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Hopefully not since none of them have demonstrated they're good enough.

Murillo should be a high priority especially with what looks like a fairly serious injury to Martinez.
 
Signing talents is fine but we need to be careful that we don't end up with a squad of U23s. If we look at those aged 25-29 in the squad now, most of them have serious question marks.

Malacia (25) - on his way out
De Ligt (25)
Dalot (25) - not good enough to start
Bayindir (26) - okay as back-up
Mount (26) - can't be relied on
Rashford (27) - finished here
Martinez (27) - fitness sadly becoming an issue
Mazraoui (27)
Onana (28) - needs replacing asap
Shaw (29) - can't be relied on

30+ we have Lindelof, Eriksen, Casemiro, Evans, Heaton and Maguire all likely to be gone either this summer or next. Which leaves Bruno.

I'm obviously not suggesting we return to buying older players for big fees but we are clearly in need of some experienced ones in their prime years, preferably also offering strong leadership.
 
We need an emergency CB loan asap, looks like Martinez out for the season
 
gulli_G said:
We need an emergency CB loan asap, looks like Martinez out for the season
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We've just signed a left sided centre back for the first team squad. Can't imagine there'll be another signing authorised. Next up will be Kukonki I'm afraid.
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
We've just signed a left sided centre back for the first team squad. Can't imagine there'll be another signing authorised. Next up will be Kukonki I'm afraid.
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Hmm the new lad doesn't look like he is ready straight away, but let's see.
 
gulli_G said:
Hmm the new lad doesn't look like he is ready straight away, but let's see.
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You're probably right but bit pointless spending money on a stop gap for a season that looks like at best we can achieve mid-table when funds are already so tight for the players we actually want and need.
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
You're probably right but bit pointless spending money on a stop gap for a season that looks like at best we can achieve mid-table when funds are already so tight for the players we actually want and need.
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Agree, maybe Lindelof or Shaw are back for cover. We need an attacking player.
 
I would put Chido Obi on the bench for the FA cup and try him from there. We might be worried about him playing in a game where he is out muscled by CB, but that isn't going to affect his touch or his off the ball runs. I've seen him in the box for the goals in the academy.
 


One point we shouldn't be panicking but you can't help but think they've made Amorims job even harder till the summer. No loans is ridiculous
 
Fooza said:


One point we shouldn't be panicking but you can't help but think they've made Amorims job even harder till the summer. No loans is ridiculous
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It is. They should’ve gazumped West Ham and got Evan Ferguson in for the rest of the season.
 
Fooza said:


One point we shouldn't be panicking but you can't help but think they've made Amorims job even harder till the summer. No loans is ridiculous
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How much blame can we lay on them when they’ve been left with such a mess. If they had the means I’m sure they’d have got someone in but were loaning out our cast offs and working out which cast offs to take in return.

Maybe we make a signing last minute but it’s going to be someone underwhelming and maybe eating into funds that could be spent in the summer.
 
Fooza said:


One point we shouldn't be panicking but you can't help but think they've made Amorims job even harder till the summer. No loans is ridiculous
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Blame lies with GlazEOS, not Berrada and Wilcox, if they have been told to sell or loan out before bringing in someone, it is not their fault that Rashford left it late and done us over even when leaving, not many decent options available and Bayern getting greedy it seems.
 
gulli_G said:
Blame lies with GlazEOS, not Berrada and Wilcox, if they have been told to sell or loan out before bringing in someone, it is not their fault that Rashford left it late and done us over even when leaving, not many decent options available and Bayern getting greedy it seems.
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They should have had things in place for when Rashford left. It's been pretty clear he'd be leaving for 2 months now
 
gulli_G said:
Blame lies with GlazEOS, not Berrada and Wilcox, if they have been told to sell or loan out before bringing in someone, it is not their fault that Rashford left it late and done us over even when leaving, not many decent options available and Bayern getting greedy it seems.
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Our financials are pretty well reported - we are close to the wire. If we sign players first and cannot meet PSR constraints can you imagine how difficult it becomes when trying to sell?

Any negotiation position goes out the window - if you think we're being lowballed when selling players now it's nothing compared to that.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
They should have had things in place for when Rashford left. It's been pretty clear he'd be leaving for 2 months now
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I’m not sure how realistic it is to have a loan lined up when you don’t know if/when someone is leaving, how much of their huge wages you’ll have to cover. Unfortunately in these circumstances it’s very difficult to be anything other than reactive.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
They should have had things in place for when Rashford left. It's been pretty clear he'd be leaving for 2 months now
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To be honest, it went close to the line, I was getting nervous it would not happen, and not many players are willing to hang about in case it happened. I just hope we get someone in, we are at bare bones up front.
 
Waynne said:
Best option.

Quenda and Gyokeres in the summer would transform this team IMO
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To anyone who watches the Portuguese league - just how good is Gyokeres? I fear people are looking at stats and coming to conclusions without using their eyes much.
 
Waynne said:
Best option.

Quenda and Gyokeres in the summer would transform this team IMO
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Quenda, Gyokeres and Cunha who has his 60m clause now. Quenda would likely just rotate for the short term as he's quite young and he'd have to adapt to the prem. Gyokeres and Cunha going in at the left 10 and CF while Bruno is in CM is a good mix. Garnacho and Mainoo should be fighting to start games and not be relied upon every game due to a lack of options.

Needs another CM as Eriksen will leave and Collyer isn't good enough depth but this is a good group, on paper.

Gyokeres
Cunha Mainoo
Dorgu Bruno Ugarte Amad
Martinez de Ligt Mazraoui
Onana

Zirkzee
Garnacho Mount
Dalot Eriksen Collyer Quenda
Heaven/Shaw Maguire Yoro
Altay
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bosnian_red said:
Quenda, Gyokeres and Cunha who has his 60m clause now. Quenda would likely just rotate for the short term as he's quite young and he'd have to adapt to the prem. Gyokeres and Cunha going in at the left 10 and CF while Bruno is in CM is a good mix. Garnacho and Mainoo should be fighting to start games and not be relied upon every game due to a lack of options.

Needs another CM as Eriksen will leave and Collyer isn't good enough depth but this is a good group, on paper.

Gyokeres
Cunha Mainoo
Dorgu Bruno Ugarte Amad
Martinez de Ligt Mazraoui
Onana

Zirkzee
Garnacho Mount
Dalot Eriksen Collyer Quenda
Heaven/Shaw Maguire Yoro
Altay
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I really like that lineup. Cunha is a good shout for the #10 spot. I'd wager if we get rid of Cas and Eriksen we'd need some replacements for them as well. Unsure if Mount and Shaw can also be relied upon so I'd bin them as well. Unfortunately it will take a few windows to get this all sorted :(
 
bosnian_red said:
Quenda, Gyokeres and Cunha who has his 60m clause now. Quenda would likely just rotate for the short term as he's quite young and he'd have to adapt to the prem. Gyokeres and Cunha going in at the left 10 and CF while Bruno is in CM is a good mix. Garnacho and Mainoo should be fighting to start games and not be relied upon every game due to a lack of options.

Needs another CM as Eriksen will leave and Collyer isn't good enough depth but this is a good group, on paper.

Gyokeres
Cunha Mainoo
Dorgu Bruno Ugarte Amad
Martinez de Ligt Mazraoui
Onana

Zirkzee
Garnacho Mount
Dalot Eriksen Collyer Quenda
Heaven/Shaw Maguire Yoro
Altay
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We need a new Goalkeeper and another CB like Jared Branthwaite, this team needs 5 elite experienced players just to become relevant again as top 6/7 side, we have far too much inexperience in the squad and the coaching staff, RA assistant is 29 and he’s coaching Man United, absolute madness, they’ve gone from RVN and McClaren to man not much older than most of the squad whose done nothing in the game but win a few Portuguese trophies!
 
We need 5 players this summer.

RWB - Looks like Quenda will be sorted at some point in the future.

CM - Dynamic, ball playing box to box midfielder.

ST - Someone who knows how to score goals and can actually control the ball and create chances for themselves.

CAM - Dynamic dribbler who can score and create for others.

Tyler Dibbling - I know he would play a CAM I just seen him as a generational talent, who would be around for 10+ years.
 
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