What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

It seems like we’re getting Ugarte finally. I feel we still need another midfielder and left back though. Given up all hope on Malacia and going into the season with just 3 full backs is very risky.

Amass isn’t seen as ready it seems. Can Collyer deputise at full back if needed?
 
Rashford for Williams would be a big upgrade. Unfortunately I don't think moving Rashford out is on the agenda for this window.
 
It seems like we’re getting Ugarte finally. I feel we still need another midfielder and left back though. Given up all hope on Malacia and going into the season with just 3 full backs is very risky.

Amass isn’t seen as ready it seems. Can Collyer deputise at full back if needed?

We definitely still need another midfielder, our best hope is Rabiot on free or see if Chelsea would include Chukwemeka in deal or Chiesa in regards to Juve
 
We definitely still need another midfielder, our best hope is Rabiot on free or see if Chelsea would include Chukwemeka in deal or Chiesa in regards to Juve

I think we’ll end up disappointed on this one. No real links to another midfielder. I’d definitely take Rabiot at this point.
 
I think we’ll end up disappointed on this one. No real links to another midfielder. I’d definitely take Rabiot at this point.

Yeah there has never been any concrete links to signing another midfielder after Ugarte, we are still crying out for that DLP/8 type but doesn't feel like Erik is interested in playing with one unfortunately
 
This is also the same manager who's first midfield target was Frenkie de Jong. Baffling, to say the least :lol:

At some point during our first season Ten Hag realised he was never playing Ajax-esque football with this team, and transitional football was his best bet
 
How can someone not see the importance of possession
There is no possession in Hag-ball. It’s about getting it from back to front as quickly as possible. Nothing about this tactic includes possession, so I’m not sure why people keep expecting us to get a midfielder to suit “keep ball”.

Remember the ball is a hot coal, it’s about moving it quickly with purpose to the opposition box.

Unfortunately some of our players are incapable of playing play ground football as much as they are incapable of playing possession ball
 
This is also the same manager who's first midfield target was Frenkie de Jong. Baffling, to say the least :lol:

The problem is he can't see any other player of that midfield profile. Getting it back on topic we need to focus on midfield rebuild over next two windows after defensive one this summer. I have accepted we aren't making late moves for Toney or Rabiot
 
Luckhurt said we have one incoming signing (Ugarte) and three leaving and that's our lot for this window.

I presume the three we are trying to offload are McT, Sancho and ?
 
Luckhurt said we have one incoming signing (Ugarte) and three leaving and that's our lot for this window.

I presume the three we are trying to offload are McT, Sancho and ?
Hannibal is the third.

Still hoping for another incoming midfielder in addition to Ugarte to help with rotation.
 
Looking like Ugarte will be the last guaranteed incoming for the window. McTominay leaving means it should be a permanent deal instead of the loan with obligation.

Hannibal leaving is a nice bonus, not sure if it's enough to ensure we get another CM or whether we need Eriksen to leave too.

Sancho and/or Lindelof are probably the exits that would unlock a winger/striker on deadline day.
 
Well feeling we will see Eirksen and McTominay leave and SAncho go onloan with Ugarte in. That willbe our window, whichfor meis 7/10, good players in, lots out.....but one genuine great signing again in Yoro.

So still alot we eedto doover thenext 12months as I suspect:

Lindelof, Maguire, Malacia, Casermiro, Sancho, ANthony, Rashford.....and yes Fernandes will all be talked about trying to move on. With the contracts, ages and salaries....that doesnt actually raise a fortune.

Butnext summer we will need a left back, 2 x cm, am, lw, rw
 


We still need a proper Eriksen replacement. A lot of our success in 22/23 was down to him imo. Was my favourite midfield player to watch at United since Scholes, even more than Pogba.

Get a young Eriksen, and our team will look so much better.
 


We still need a proper Eriksen replacement. A lot of our success in 22/23 was down to him imo. Was my favourite a young Eriksen, and our team will look so much better.




We still need a proper Eriksen replacement. A lot of our success in 22/23 was down to him imo. Was my favourite midfield player to watch at United since Scholes, even more than Pogba.

Get a young Eriksen, and our team will look so much better.

completely agree. But cant think of a name of that ilk who will be available reasonably.
 
Joao Neves has racked up 4 assists in 2 games at PSG. Playing real well there, and players of his profile(ballwinner + excellent on the ball), dont pop up in the market too often. I honestly see Modric level of potential here. Think we are gonna regret this one, it seemed at one point he really preferred the United move.


Gutting
 
Think we had an answer here, but we will just have to find another player next summer. Hopefully it will be a better player, but it will be difficult. Mobile playmakers dont come around too often.
No. And it seems like the fee for Neves wasn’t as crazy as initially rumored.
I suppose it would point to the fact that we’re not in the champions league often anymore that might have swayed him to PSG.
As you said, hopefully we can find someone as good next year.
 
from transfermarkt:

current spend this summer:
165m euro

Current income from sold players:
66m euro

New transfers:
McTominay: 30m euro
Hannibal: 5-10m euro?
Sancho (Juve): 30-40m euro

Ugarte 60m euro

All in all we’re spending around 80-120m euros net this summer while restructuring useless/big wage players and building a new squad. Pretty good business altogether for such an amount I’d say.
 
from transfermarkt:

current spend this summer:
165m euro

Current income from sold players:
66m euro

New transfers:
McTominay: 30m euro
Hannibal: 5-10m euro?
Sancho (Juve): 30-40m euro

Ugarte 60m euro

All in all we’re spending around 80-120m euros net this summer while restructuring useless/big wage players and building a new squad. Pretty good business altogether for such an amount I’d say.

What we need to improve is on spending 40/50 million + on squad players like Zirkzee and Mount etc..

We need to be going for elite talents like Yoro more like Real madrid do or buy out and out first teamers for that kind of money.
 
We need a sniper off the wing. I just cant figure out who that player is.

Nico Williams is the current flavor of the month, but I don't think he is a 25 goal a season player.
 
What we need to improve is on spending 40/50 million + on squad players like Zirkzee and Mount etc..

We need to be going for elite talents like Yoro more like Real madrid do or buy out and out first teamers for that kind of money.
Ineos didn't buy Mount, so kind of weird to evaluate on him.

Zirkzee covers two positions. You need squad players in a team and Martial just left. Not his biggest fan, but you have to be pragmatical about how to spend the money. Imagine we'd spent 150m on one player this first INEOS season. We'd be asked to do the same again next year and next year and next year. Also he's only 23 so there's still resale value with him. Big lesson learned from previous times, where we bought someone expensive and couldn't sell him when a player met the retirement age. Effectively that maybe lowers the price on a player like Zirkzee with 20m. Or if he becomes good, he's cost us nothing if he's sold at the same price. Maguire and Sanchez obviously being the worst examples in the terms of outlay.
 
De Ligt
Yoro
Mazraoui
Ugarte
Zirkzee

Bought for around 180M, and ~100M in net spend after sales.

That's a 8/10 window to me. Good profiles, good age group.

---------------Onana
Maz--De Ligt--Martinez--Shaw
---------Ugarte--Mainoo
Amad------Bruno---Garnacho
---------------Zirkzee

I wanna see this team in action. Swap in Hojlund and Yoro too when they are back.
 
Imo after Ugarte we need another Mainoo type player as cover/rotation, a top goalscoring forward and a left-back.

And I think that's just to get us playing consistently well again. If we want to be challenging for the PL again we'll need to go up a further level in terms of player quality.
 
Imo after Ugarte we need another Mainoo type player as cover/rotation, a top goalscoring forward and a left-back.

And I think that's just to get us playing consistently well again. If we want to be challenging for the PL again we'll need to go up a further level in terms of player quality.

Just don't see more signings being feasible. Or at least, not all three of those spots.
 
completely agree. But cant think of a name of that ilk who will be available reasonably.

Joao Neves was the one for me, I think he’ll be one of the best of his generation and develop into less of a box-to-box and more of a creator dictating play.

As an alternative, I really want us to look at Sverre Halseth Nypan from Rosenberg who is giving me young KDB vibes stylistically and will likely be available for very cheap (I’d expect no more than €15m).

Hes very young though (17 I think still), so if someone has a break out season in more of the 21-25 age bracket we should pounce.
 
Still short of consistent and reliable quality in so many areas. Will be a while yet until a cohesive and consistent squad is in place, hopefully the new directors have it mapped out for our next few windows.
 
Overall I think we’ve had a good window and addressed some of the big issues in the squad.

Centre-back and defensive midfield were the areas that needed the big investment, due to Varane’s departure and Casemiro’s decline and that’s what we have gone and done.

Central defence
Ins: Yoro (18) £52m, De Ligt (25) £45m, Total £97m
Outs: Varane (31) free, Kambwala (20) £5m, Total £5m
Net: £92m, average age reduced from 29 to 27.7

£92m to bring De Ligt and Yoro is not bad considering 6 years ago Maguire alone cost us £80m and didn't come with the reputation of either of these two. I see De Ligt as a Maguire refresh/upgrade: six years younger, brings height, physical presence but also experience and leadership. It's a shame we weren't able to move Maguire on last season when offered £30m for him but we needed him in the end. Yoro I see as the long-term replacement for Varane with his pace and quality and hopefully comes back from injury to impress.

Defensive midfield
Ins: Ugarte (23) £44m
Outs: Amrabat (28) (loan)
Net: £44m, average age reduced from 30 to 27.5

A significant fee but again, compared to the market not unreasonable. This has been a high value position in the market for the last couple of years: Tchouameni £70m, Rice, £100m, Caicedo £102m, Lavia £53m, Neves, £60m, Onana £50m, Palhinha £42m. Ugarte raises the physical floor of our midfield which looked leggy and overrun last season. Despite Casemiro improving at the start of this season, if we received a significant offer in the next few days I would probably take it.

Outside of those key areas we did a great job refreshing a couple of other areas:

Striker depth/auxiliary attacker
Ins: Zirkzee (23) £35m
Outs: McTominay (27) £25m
Net: £10m

A lot of the media seem to be positioning Ugarte as a McTominay replacement but given how Ten Hag has deployed the scotsman I see Zirkzee as more of a direct replacement in terms of his goals. Zirkzee I'm sure will exceed McTominay's goal tally of last season, he could/should be on 2 already. He also can play as the starting 9 which McTominay could not and is 4 years younger. McTominay did not offer a great deal in midfield either defensively or in possession so not a big loss on that front aside from being another body.

Right-back
Ins: Mazrouai (26) £13m
Outs: Wan-Bissaka (26) £17m
Net: £2m profit

Smart move to get a more technical right-back rather than extending Wan-Bissaka.

Other outgoings
Then a few more outgoings of players who weren't really in the first team picture: Greenwood, Hannibal, Van De Beek, Pellistri:
about £38m profit.

So overall net spend of just over £100m, maybe around £106m (I'm sure these fees aren't 100% accurate) to invest heavily in CB and DM and refresh RB and CF.

In terms of what we still need:
  • A ball playing midfielder (Eriksen refresh/upgrade)
  • A new winger (Antony/Sancho replacement) - Garnacho and Amad's emergence have effectively replaced Antony/Sancho but it would be good to have one more with a bit more pedigree
  • A new left-back/left centre-back cover
Realistically I don't see us fixing these issues in this window but market opportunities may lead to some movement on these.
  • Eriksen may be allowed to go but would need replacing. Rabiot on a free would be most likely but probably not the ball playing midfielder we need. One last punt for De Jong? We would need a significant player sale such as Sancho to fund it
  • Sancho will likely move on. My guess would be a loan but fingers crossed for a permanent deal with a reasonable fee. I don't think we will have any irons in the fire for a replacement. I don't see Sterling as a worthy alternative.
  • I don't see any real opportunities to address left-back unless we find a suitable loan deal. Hermoso on a free was interesting but seems like there is no real interest.
  • Maybe Casemiro will depart if a late bid comes in and we will bring Amrabat back in to cover Ugarte.
 
I kinda disagree. Mainoo is a great technical ballcarrier, but he's not one to take 90 touches of the ball in a game, controlling the pace of the game with his passing. In that sense he's more of an Iniesta than a Xavi.

Eriksen would be great, but he's not even had a look in this season, leading me to believe his fitness levels are a huge concern. We basically need a Eriksen type who is not poor off the ball.

Long term this profile of player is what we need to phase Bruno out.
Not sure about that as it's dictated by many factors, and I don't think it matters either.

The difference between Xavi and Iniesta that I recognise, broadly, is that the latter played in a more advanced role - had he been deployed in place of Xavi in the deeper 8 position the qualities and tendencies he would have provided would of course be that of a ball-playing 8. Again, this is broadly speaking. All the players you would categorise as such - Xavi, Modric or Gundogan as mentioned, as well as the likes of Kroos, Scholes, Thiago, Verratti, etc. - vary in terms of what exactly they bring to their sides; their passing range and choice, ability to turn and generally evade pressure, to drive forward with the ball, movement or runs they make off the ball, positional versatility...

It's also worth noting just how good most of these midfielders were - Mainoo can very much be good enough for where this club wants to be without ever being as good as some or all of these players. Some examples of players for whom dribbling and carrying the ball was a prominent feature are Dembele, Wilshere and Arthur Melo - again, I would certainly group them with the ball-playing midfielders. Why is there such a reluctance to do so with Mainoo?
 
Our midfield options are Mainoo, Casemiro and Ugarte ( once he signs). I assume Eriksen will leave as he has not featured in last 2 games. Thats 3 players for 2 positions. Not sure if the team management counts Mount also as one of the option for those 2 CM position.

3 options for 2 positions is not adequate cover. And no links with any other CM now.
 
Probably a stupid idea but there was a time when a lot of folks in the caf were certain that Brandon Williams was unseating Luke Shaw at left back. Still without a club.
 
The fact that Liverpool are apparently going to get Chiesa for 13 million makes me want to vomit.

We should have been snapping Juve's hand off for that. He'd immediately be the best winger in our squad.
 
The fact that Liverpool are apparently going to get Chiesa for 13 million makes me want to vomit.

We should have been snapping Juve's hand off for that. He'd immediately be the best winger in our squad.
Do we have a quota of injury-prone players we need to maintain or something, now that Jones, Martial and Varane have left the building? I saw a stat earlier, since 2021/22, Chiesa has missed 80 matches through injuries (420 days). That’s horrific.
 
The fact that Liverpool are apparently going to get Chiesa for 13 million makes me want to vomit.

We should have been snapping Juve's hand off for that. He'd immediately be the best winger in our squad.

Maybe injury record has put us off, not saying that's the right thing but we have been burnt by injured players
 
We need a 20 goal a season striker. Then we need a season of letting the existing weaknesses show themselves followed by another fruitful summer window. We’ve had a good window so far hopefully afew more outgoings to get over the line. We’ll be fighting for 4th with a better balanced squad if we can get that striker in.