It means that it's sometimes hardest to see the things that are the most obvious.
What did Hillary do wrong and what's next for her?
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That is obvious, but Eboue said that Hillary doesn't get what David Foster Wallace was referring to, other than it's hardest to see things that are the most obvious.
In fact, that whole commencement speech has numerous references to water.
Still more unpopular than Trump
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...image-at-record-low?__twitter_impression=true
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...image-at-record-low?__twitter_impression=true
she got tens of millions of dollars for this
wtf
She watches more TV than Trump.
Millenials watch Homeland, right?
so close to a breakthrough
"At times, I feel like an entitled muppet who cynically mentions strong female characters from hit TV shows in hope of fooling women who naively believe that I care about them and their lives."
i did it. its over. after 800 pages (at least in the ibooks format), only about 50 actually attempted to explain what happened and even then only surface level
157th time's the charm.
that ratioDeluded.
Harvard law prof, ffs.
Her response is mind-blowing. What is she talking about here?
HRC is proud? Of the woman for speaking out...and then getting ignored by HRC. What?
Anyway, I'm increasingly sure there's a bad Bernie story somewhere, and people are just waiting for the right moment to run it.
You are freakishly obsessed with attacking her at every chance you get. Says more about you than her tbh.
Can you explain what that tweet means in the context of the report? Because I'm mystified.
I am not sure what more she could have done tbh.
She was told that someone on her staff has sexually harassed a subrdinate, and was advised that she should fire him.
She *rejected* that advice, and chose to keep him on. The female victim was re-assigned to a different job - in other words, the female victim's work suffered simply because she was the victim of the man. The man himself continued in his job (with other female subordinates), was told to go for counseling; he ddn't go and continued in his jb regardless.
I am not sure what less she could have done tbh.
Relevant quotes in case you don't want to read the article:
Hindsight is a lovely thing.
I give up. In some direct words, can you explain why what she did was correct, or how the tweet lines up with that? I have no idea how any hindsight was needed to respond to a complaint within your own staff?
It's a BS response because she doesn't even acknowledge a mistake, let alone apologise for one. "Women deserve to be heard", when was that the line? I thought it was "women deserve to be believed". Clinton's unshakeable habit of working in small cliques, and protecting those within them, is well known and a constant source of failure.
Exactly. How could a grown woman, with decades of experience in law and civil services, have known in 2008 that sexual harassment is a bad thing. It was a different time.
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So, you wanna go down that road huh. Interesting.
She did what any politician would do or has done in the past. You're just getting your knickers in a twist because it is HRC.
what
I have no idea what that means. But I'll pass.
There really is a lot of bad feeling toward HRC, and the Clintons in general over here. I have close friends that are staunch democrats but they hate Hilary. She was a really good POTUS nominee in my eyes, I really like her. Just don't get where the hate comes from TBH. They literally dislike Hilary as much as most people hate Trump now.
She was an awful candidate. Any Dem should have been able to destroy Trump. She's arrogant, condescending and she's completely untrustworthy. Worse still her hawkish foreign policy stance like her position on Iran is possibly even more dangerous than Trumps.
However, she was a better choice than Trump AND she was treated unfairly by Trump, the Republicans and a lot of the media. Also, the constant attacks on her just for being a woman were and still are completely disgraceful and unacceptable in this day and age.
Still though, the fact she ignored and insulted a large part of the country is ultimately what cost her the Presidency. I don't hate her I just think that many of her supporters are no different than Trumps in the way they choose to ignore and even defend many of her obvious flaws and failings. Truthfully she wasn't really a great POTUS pick at all, if she was she would have won.
Personally I wish she would just feck off already and enjoy retirement. I don't think her being around all the time (and stunts like reading from Wolff's book at the Grammy's, no matter how funny) are helping the Democrats.
She lost because the GOP and Super Pacs did a good job of attacking and smearing her for years. The amount of scrutiny Benghazi received was absolutely ridiculous.
She lost because she couldn't hold together the Obama coalition.
That's not why she lost at all. She actually won the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes, yet lost important key states in poor rural areas because she didn't spend time there AND her deplorables comment and her coal mining jobs comment cost her dearly. I think those two could have easily cost her the 80,000 odd votes she narrowly lost those swing states by.
Also you could say her own Democrat party and the rigged super delegates system actually gave her the nomination and cost Bernie.
Whatever, it doesn't matter now, what does is the Democrats learning from all this and fully getting behind decent candidates for 2020.
The biggest turning point was Comey's letter to Congress couple of weeks before the election. He gave the whole Benghazi/email thing legs again and caused a 3-5% swing in the polls.
Just more excuses though and still not accepting that she was an exceptionally flawed candidate who is immensey disliked and mistrusted by many voters on both sides.
Many Democrats were lost because of how she won the nomination. The Bernie bros mob could have been placated as well but were instead dismissed and even ridiculed. Her VP pick also didn't help at all. I mean Tim is a nice enough guy but what a wet lettuce. He didn't inspire any confidence and many didn't even know who he was. A pick of Bernie or Liz Warren or someone like that could easily have made the difference.
Yes things were unfair towards her but she's had to deal with that her whole career. Continuously making excuses and blaming outside interference and scandals or unfair treatment while continually ignoring her catalogue of mistakes and flaws isn't really telling the truth of what happened.
You yourself said you couldn't understand the hate. I have just given at least a dozen reasons and all you have done is blame others or make excuses in her defence. That right there is yet another reason why many dislike her. The same is applied to Trump on a daily basis.
It shouldn't have mattered what others said about Hillary all she had to do was keep the Obama voters AND against the most flawed and unsuitable candidate of all time on the back of numerous sexual assault accusations and more scandals than anyone ever had to face.
The fact she still lost should say more about her failings than anything else. I just don't get why her supporters still can't see this and constantly look to place the blame elsewhere.
Many Democrats were lost because of how she won the nomination. The Bernie bros mob could have been placated as well but were instead dismissed and even ridiculed. Her VP pick also didn't help at all. I mean Tim is a nice enough guy but what a wet lettuce. He didn't inspire any confidence and many didn't even know who he was. A pick of Bernie or Liz Warren or someone like that could easily have made the difference.
Yes things were unfair towards her but she's had to deal with that her whole career. Continuously making excuses and blaming outside interference and scandals or unfair treatment while continually ignoring her catalogue of mistakes and flaws isn't really telling the truth of what happened.
You yourself said you couldn't understand the hate. I have just given at least a dozen reasons and all you have done is blame others or make excuses in her defence. That right there is yet another reason why many dislike her. The same is applied to Trump on a daily basis.
It shouldn't have mattered what others said about Hillary all she had to do was keep the Obama voters AND against the most flawed and unsuitable candidate of all time on the back of numerous sexual assault accusations and more scandals than anyone ever had to face.
The fact she still lost should say more about her failings than anything else. I just don't get why her supporters still can't see this and constantly look to place the blame elsewhere.
Just let it go guys. It's ok.