What did Hillary do wrong and what's next for her?

Dante said:
I think the celebrity sexual assault allegations are a direct consequence of Hilary losing to Trump. The election emboldened a lot of women to take a stand in light of the nationwide endorsement of a misogynist over the first female candidate for a major political party.

Hilary might not have won, but her loss is affecting Western society more than any other Presidential runner-up I can think of. It's only a consolation, but will be a very worthwhile one once all is said and done.
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Yes, you're right. These allegations are a consequence of Clinton losing last year, especially as Clinton was mates with all of these guys: Weinstein, Spacey et al. If Clinton won and these guys were in the inner circle of Clintonworld, there's not a cat-in-hell's chance these allegations would come to light.
 
Buchan said:
Yes, you're right. These allegations are a consequence of Clinton losing last year, especially as Clinton was mates with all of these guys: Weinstein, Spacey et al. If Clinton won and these guys were in the inner circle of Clintonworld, there's not a cat-in-hell's chance these allegations would come to light.
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Is that a speculative conspiracy theory?
 
Buchan said:
Yes, you're right. These allegations are a consequence of Clinton losing last year, especially as Clinton was mates with all of these guys: Weinstein, Spacey et al. If Clinton won and these guys were in the inner circle of Clintonworld, there's not a cat-in-hell's chance these allegations would come to light.
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You're right, it's great for women that instead of a woman becoming the most powerful person in the US, an actual sex-pest did instead.
 
The #metoo movement is a continuation of the #imwithher movement. It's pretty obvious that a lot of the same people are involved and that having Trump in the Whitehouse has strengthened their resolve. Maybe it wouldn't have been as strong with Clinton in power, but the actual result turned out helpful catalyst.
 
Dante said:
I think the celebrity sexual assault allegations are a direct consequence of Hilary losing to Trump. The election emboldened a lot of women to take a stand in light of the nationwide endorsement of a misogynist over the first female candidate for a major political party.

Hilary might not have won, but her loss is affecting Western society more than any other Presidential runner-up I can think of. It's only a consolation, but will be a very worthwhile one once all is said and done.
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I really think your over stating it, Hilary didn't even show up to speak at the women's march after the election. It's way more in part Trump winning(Although let's not forget he won a large portion of white women vote) but really most of the progressive/left wing political moments today(Although this is a massive generalisation) are being pushed forward by women and mainly women of colour.
 
Maybe she should have hired Cambridge Analytica. Like others I also wonder if there's any connection between Hollywood's rejection of Trump and these scandals.

@Pexbo - Writing about how Trump used Facebook to campaign Sue Halpern quotes what a senior Trump campaigner said to Bloomberg's Issenberg and Green :

"We have 3 major voter suppression operations under way. One targeted white liberals - primarily Sander's supporters; another was aimed at young women - hence the procession of women who claimed to have been sexually assaulted by Clinton and harassed by the candidate herself; and a third went after African-Americans in urban centres "
 
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THE CLINTON FOUNDATION LEFT A TOXIC LEGACY IN COLOMBIA, CRITICS SAY

Many of the Colombian “success stories” touted on the foundation’s website were critical about the foundation’s effect on their lives. Many labor leaders and progressive activists say foundation programs caused environmental harm, displaced indigenous people, and helped concentrate a larger share of Colombia’s energy and mining resources in the hands of Giustra, who was involved in a now-bankrupt oil company that worked closely with the Clinton Foundation and which used the Colombian military and a surveillance program to smash a strike by its workers.
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“The idea was that they would help small stores and small fishermen,” she said. “And that’s what it did, but only at the start.”

Sandra said she received no money from the Clinton Foundation and, in fact, took out a large bank loan at its urging. Paying this loan proved to be a tremendous burden, she said. In its statement to Fusion, the Clinton Foundation said that Valdivieso had benefited from “commercial advice to enter new markets and increase her sales, among other business tools.”

Even worse, within months, the head of the Acceso project told Valdivieso that she should no longer deal directly with buyers. Instead, she would sell her fish directly to Acceso — at sharply reduced prices, Valdivieso said — and Acceso would resell them. In other words, the Clinton Foundation would act as a middleman and profit from margins supplied by the people it was supposed to be helping.
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In September 2005, Giustra and Clinton flew to Kazakhstan together to meet the Central Asian nation’s president. Shortly thereafter, Giustra secured a lucrative concession to mine Kazakh uranium, despite his company’s lack of experience with the radioactive ore. Within months of securing the Kazakh mining deal, Giustra had donated more than $31 million in all. The Clinton Foundation disputes any suggestion that the former president helped Giustra secure the Kazakh mining deal, citing an online Forbes column that suggested “Giustra, the eminently successful deal maker,” had worked out the deal “long before Clinton’s arrival.”

In 2007, while Hillary Clinton was the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination for president, Giustra pledged to give a $100 million to the Clinton Foundation in a New York press conference. More Giustra-connected pledges followed, including $4.4 million from Pacific Rubiales (called Petro Rubiales Energy Corp. in foundation filings) and the firm’s other financial backers, according to documents surfaced by investigative reporters at the International Business Times. The Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative to combat global poverty was born.
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The Clinton Foundation told the Washington Free Beacon last year that its Acceso job training center has “helped hundreds of employees and potential employees” of the port project, many of them Afro-Colombians.

Nearby residents live in sprawling shantytowns of concrete and wood shacks; the promise of port-construction jobs initially gave them hope. But the few who received jobs were shocked by the dangerous working conditions, low pay and callous managers, local union officials told us.

One incident encapsulated their concerns. Shortly before closing time two years ago, two workers were in the bucket of large mechanical arm called a “cherry-picker,” painting a massive oil tank. The machine suddenly bucked them off, throwing them into a cement wall. The wall fell on top of them, instantly killing 40-year-old Jose Munoz. The other employee, 28-year-old Sergio Luis Elles, was bleeding and buried, but somehow still alive.

Their fellow workers frantically pulled away the concrete blocks to save the trapped Elles.

Within minutes, an ambulance arrived. But, union officials told us, it didn’t take Elles to the hospital. Instead, it took both workers to a nearby lunch tent. Other workers watched as port officials walled off the tent and paramedics carried the two victims in.

“Pacific did not want the stain on their reputations from worker’s accidents,” said Julio Carrascal, an official with the Unión Sindical Obrera, the Colombian oil workers’ union. “They didn’t want the news to get out.” Representatives of Pacific Exploration and Production, the company formerly known as Pacific Rubiales, did not respond to our requests for comment.

Truck driver Gabriel Martinez saw the men hauled into the tent on what was a very hot day – the recorded temperature in Cartagena that day hit 93 F. “They kept them in the tent for an hour,” said Martinez. “Then they left in the same ambulance.”

Elles, the injured worker, died shortly after the ambulance departed.
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One day, an order came down to the management that there were sanitation concerns, and the sleeping areas needed to be cleaned. When the workers returned to their tents that night, they found that any possessions they had left on top of their hammocks had been thrown away – shoes, clothing, personal items.

“We had no idea what a union was, we had no idea what a protest was,” said Acevedo. “But everybody came back to the tent and saw their things had been thrown away. So we said, let’s do this.”

The next morning, Acevedo and six other angry workers refused to board the bus. By 11 a.m., more than 2,000 workers had joined the strike, blocking the roads near the campsite and paralyzing Pacific Rubiales’s operations.

Strike leaders drew up a list of demands to present to Pacific: decent food, decent salaries, better contracts, improved living, and better transportation. Workers sat in their tents, playing cards and waiting for the company’s response.

It came two days later, on July 22, 2011, when General Rodolfo Palomino, head of Colombia’s National Police arrived at the campgrounds with the full force of the Colombian military behind him.

Tear gas rained down from helicopters; tents were set ablaze with workers sleeping inside them. Uniformed men with automatic weapons swept the compound, driving the workers into the trees.

Fallout from that strike, and subsequent work stoppages, continued for months. The company initially made moves to negotiate, but the list of labor demands was never met. The workers chose four representatives to speak on their behalf in Bogota in meetings with the ministry of labor. One was fired by his subcontracting employer during the negotiations. Two were jailed for three months.

In December, just as Pacific Rubiales’s stock price was peaking, an USO leader, Milton Rivas, was shot dead two blocks from a police station in Villa Vicencio, the largest town near the oil field. No one was ever charged but union officials suspected he was killed by paramilitary members allied with Pacific Rubiales.
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More details here and here.
 
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this is like four pages into her book.

“The American middle class really had gotten screwed. The financial crash of 2008–2009 cost them jobs and ripped away their security. It seemed like no one was ever held accountable. ”

it stinks that hillary had no input with the administration, she could have really held them accountable.
 
“I will confess that the day was bittersweet. For years all over the world, I had seen women driving grassroots movements, assuming power for themselves and their communities, forcing warring armies to the peace table, rewriting the destinies of nations. Were we now seeing the stirrings of something similar in the streets of our own country? It was awe-inspiring, as I said on Twitter at the end of the day.
Yet I couldn’t help but ask where those feelings of solidarity, outrage, and passion had been during the election.”

:lol:
 
“ Philippe Reines, my longtime advisor, who played Trump in our debate prep sessions, has my favorite explanation why. He calls it the “Panda Principle.” Pandas just live their lives. They eat bamboo. They play with their kids. But for some reason, people love watching pandas, hoping for something—anything—to happen. When that one baby panda sneezed, the video became a viral sensation. Under Philippe’s theory, I’m like a panda. A lot of people just want to see how I live. And I do love spending time with my family and getting some sun, just like a panda—and while I’m not into bamboo, I like to eat.”

how could she not win with geniuses like this?
 
“There are stacks of books on our bedside tables that we are reading or hoping to read soon. For years, we’ve been keeping careful track of everything we read. Plus, Bill being Bill, he has a rating system. The best books get three stars.”

what kind of psycho comes up with a scale in which three is the highest rating
 
Eboue said:
“There are stacks of books on our bedside tables that we are reading or hoping to read soon. For years, we’ve been keeping careful track of everything we read. Plus, Bill being Bill, he has a rating system. The best books get three stars.”

what kind of psycho comes up with a scale in which three is the highest rating
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The Michelin guide? :angel:
 
“Bernie Sanders attacked me for raising money from people who worked in finance. But I reminded him that President Obama had raised more money from Wall Street than anyone in history, and that didn’t stop him from imposing tough new rules to curb risk and prevent future financial crashes”

this went well
 
“I’d bring Halloween candy and birthday cake back to their cabin on the plane. They’d sometimes roll oranges with questions written in Sharpie up the aisle and try to reach my seat all the way in front. ”

 
Eboue said:
is that a rich people thing?
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Probably. FWIW, the Chinese graded their gov. official entrance exam in 3 tiers for thousands of year. It seems like an Asian/efficiency thing.

On the personal side, my dad did the same with his employees, and he's decidedly a bit of a psycopath, so....
 
“Sexism in particular can be so pervasive, we stop seeing it. It reminds me of the opening anecdote from author David Foster Wallace’s 2005 commencement speech at Kenyon College. Two young fish are swimming along. They meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says, “Morning, boys, how’s the water?” The two young fish swim on for a bit, until one looks at the other and asks, “What’s water?”
“In other words,” Wallace said, “the most obvious realities are often the ones that are the hardest to see and talk about.”
I’d say that sums up the problem of recognizing sexism—especially when it comes to politics—quite nicely.”


oh man she totally does not get what dfw was saying. where is the editor
 
“Politics is a divisive business, it’s true, and our country has gotten more polarized with every passing year. But what specifically did I do that was so unacceptable? Run for office? Lots of men do. Work on health care, one of the most contentious issues in America? Same. Cast votes as a Senator? So did my ninety-nine colleagues. When it comes to some of my most controversial actions—like my vote giving President Bush the authority to go to war in Iraq—I was far from alone.”

no introspection. no responsibility
 
“Crowds at Trump rallies called for my imprisonment more times than I can count. They shouted, “Guilty! Guilty!” like the religious zealots in Game of Thrones chanting “Shame! Shame!” while Cersei Lannister walked back to the Red Keep”

spoiler alert ffs
 
im 300 pages in and there are about 15 pages addressing "what happened", all of them blaming sexism. the rest are just anecdotes about meeting beyonce and ariana huffington and talking about the food they ate on the campaign. this is insane.
 
She has to be a Liverpool supporter. Always playing the victim. Blaming everyone else.
 
Eboue said:
“I will confess that the day was bittersweet. For years all over the world, I had seen women driving grassroots movements, assuming power for themselves and their communities, forcing warring armies to the peace table, rewriting the destinies of nations. Were we now seeing the stirrings of something similar in the streets of our own country? It was awe-inspiring, as I said on Twitter at the end of the day.
Yet I couldn’t help but ask where those feelings of solidarity, outrage, and passion had been during the election.”

:lol:
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:lol::lol::lol:
 
Eboue said:
there have literally been like 12 poems and other paragraph length excepts in the first hundred pages like a student trying to up the word count
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Is it worth a read? I enjoyed Shattered, but thought this might just be 400 pages of whining.
 
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