I would go further and say they get players who excel on the ball in every position (or at least try to) with only a few exceptions.
What’s Real Madrid’s secret?
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Yea its really odd, Barcelona are very good in the league.
Looks as much like Pogba is fouling Alves tbh, as likely a push as a pull.
I would not compare the Nordic's following of the PL to other European countries. Relatively it's the biggest market. Small leagues that don't have competing teams in the CL, historically the seasons didn't completely overlap so people needed something else to follow and watch.
Their secret is quality all over the place. Look at Lunin, an absolute rock solid GK talent and they can recognize the important ingredients in each position. Ancelotti did not hesitate to sit Kepa on the bench despite his "ball playing capabilities" and has reaped the rewards.
Absolute top tier footballing men in the driving seat and proper reasonable moves. They have overflooded their team with talent in most positions and they reap the rewards.
Absolute top tier footballing men in the driving seat and proper reasonable moves. They have overflooded their team with talent in most positions and they reap the rewards.
1. Relentless President
2. Supporters who will threaten to come chop your dick off if you dont perform
3. Being one of only 2 perennial contenders for the natl title gives the club and players probably an air of superiority and invincibility that then carries over into intl games.
2. Supporters who will threaten to come chop your dick off if you dont perform
3. Being one of only 2 perennial contenders for the natl title gives the club and players probably an air of superiority and invincibility that then carries over into intl games.
No, that's terror. We don't pay off anybody, we don't need to. The Universe will provide
Because we won 8 times in the last 27 years. If we'd only won in 01/02 and 13/14 there'd be no controversies
Jesus how did I forget that!
Easy - Papa Perez
I'm sure it doesn't bother you though does it?
I like it better like thisI'm sure it doesn't bother you though does it
oppos pain feeds me I tell you what their secret is, bloody big brown envelopes to referees, bloody hell that was an appalling bit of refereeing last night.
I thought they’d go through a lean patch when their great team of the previous decade got older and left, which has happened to everyone else at some point. They’ve got a young team with a smattering of veterans and it just seems to work and that transition period barely lasted a couple of seasons.
Incredibly well run club, and as this team ages they should only get better. Kroos will be hard to replace but not impossible, Modric has already been replaced and is now a sub anyway, Carvajal is great but not impossible to replace. The rest are all a good age or really young.
Incredibly well run club, and as this team ages they should only get better. Kroos will be hard to replace but not impossible, Modric has already been replaced and is now a sub anyway, Carvajal is great but not impossible to replace. The rest are all a good age or really young.
Elite mentality who put club's success as number 1. Their fans even booed ronaldo when he was on top of his game. There is no scope of mediocrity. A luke shaw or martial or even a rashford won't have lasted this long at a club like Real Madrid.
The obsession with no.10 was just crazy. And once they cracked it, they really made most of the super team they'd assembled and racked up the titles before having to rebuild (which also they've done well tbf). That's basically what we did for most of the 90s in the league.
Got players with very very good mentality. There monsters with a never give up attitude.
Florentino Perez. He is the mastermind.
So of 1 game they bribe the refs all the time? They beat city by never giving up and hanging in there. Never die attitude
Every appointment is a risk and you don't really know if someone is going to work until they're in position. They won 3 Champions Leagues on the bounce after as you say making a risky appointment in Zidane. And they only appointed him because they sacked Benitez after less than 6 months into the job. They don't feck about.
At United an equally experienced manager as Benitez who'd won league titles and European Cups would be allowed to sink a season at least before getting the boot. And there'd be loads of United fans calling for him to get to Xmas, another season, 2-3 years etc etc. to see how he does or because of that one time Fergie got a few years leeway 40 years ago. And waffling on about the lack of candidates.
Over the last 10 years I've came round to the conclusion that Real have the right idea in being ruthless. You can't wait around wasting 3-4 years for a manager to do something.
Meh!
I dare them to sign ETH from us and win the CL.
It's all well and good hiring legendary managers like Carlo or stumbling onto Zidane.
If they truly want to be remembered as a club that makes seemingly impossible things happen, they need to win with ETH. For hard mode, take Antony too.
And that's what gives them freedom to just try things. If it doesn't work, then something has to change. The comparison to United indeed is interested.
There is so much talk about the United way and a somewhat diffuse understanding of its meaning but little thought about how effective this way is (which as I understand includes a "go for it" mentality, using a core of players coming through United's youth teams, in a tactical sense maybe even a focus on wingers and generally strong transition play). On top of that for a lot of fans it seems to be important to be a "good fan" as we see in discussions about how you should always cheer for the team, never calm for the managers head in the stadium etc
Meanwhile the Real way seems just to be "do whatever makes us a winning team" and just adapt and implement whatever is possible.
Being serious for a moment here: no. Benitez was untenable. United would have sacked him too, perhaps even earlier than we did. Flo actually dithered a bit before pulling the trigger because it was HIS screw up, he'd been the one to sack Ancelotti when literally everyone else was telling him not to, he decided to hire Benitez when literally everyone knew it would be a disaster. Your situation with managers post SAF is very different - at no point did you have a CL winning squad in its prime lead by a top 10 player of all time coming a CL semifinal and a 92 points league campaign while being shredded by injuries. The underperformance under Benitez was too gross and obvious for anyone to defend him
The players pretty much revolted and picked the Barca game as the best example to do so
Think we got bummed at home like 0-4 or something.Perez is a lucky git at times. Not everything he does is great but somehow it works out.
Firing Carlo and hiring Benitez was stupid
Lucked out with Zidane
Dumb to hire Lope/Solari and again Zidane to the rescue
Wants to keep Casemiro but agrees to a sell, we get big sum of money and are doing fine enough with the younglings
Plot armor even off the field
Zidane had been earmarked to take over ad manager down the line, we'd basically been buidling his managerial career - first as Ancelotti's 2nd the year of La Decima, then Castilla. Think the plan was he'd take over by 2017. So lucky, sure, but it wasn't some gamble from nowhere. Lopetegui on the other hand was desperation - blindsided by Zidane quitting, it was basically the first guy we could get. Likewise the Ancelotti bis came off Zidane quitting again - though this time it wasn't unexpected - but again it came down to "who can we hire?" All of our top targets had gone elsewhere, it was basically another desperate hireThe players pretty much revolted and picked the Barca game as the best example to do so
Perez is a lucky git at times. Not everything he does is great but somehow it works out.
Firing Carlo and hiring Benitez was stupid
Lucked out with Zidane
Dumb to hire Lope/Solari and again Zidane to the rescue
Wants to keep Casemiro but agrees to a sell, we get big sum of money and are doing fine enough with the younglings
Plot armor even off the field
The biggest lesson here is managers may be important and everything but having fecking great players and squads is always better than hoping to hire a genius
I genuinely doubt that look at the situation we're in now with Ten Hag who really shold have been sacked months ago. Look at Moyes back in 2013 took over a championship winning side yet he was failing and it was obvious from very early in that season. Yet we let it stumble on until it tanked the season entirely.
Yep, I hope under Ineos United get to that stage.
They're not afraid of it when it comes to the Champions League. I have often felt that Utd put the CL on such a pedestal that they psyched themselves out to an extent, and really needed to be an incredible side to win in Europe. Utd don't win the CL with the standard of team Liverpool had in 05 or Chelsea in 21, it has to be one of our best ever sides.
Madrid expect to win in Europe and are not intimidated by that expectation.
Madrid expect to win in Europe and are not intimidated by that expectation.
Madrid have a platform that gives any manager a great chance. They're huge, can buy almost anyone they want, can appoint almost any manager they want. It's difficult for them not to have a chance every season.
And here's what's really frustrating. That's where United was a decade ago. Fergie had done all the leg work. Got the club to an incredible position. All that was needed there on for us at least to be competitive was individuals in charge not to be terrible.
And on top of all that there's no doubt, Madrid have had some major luck.
And here's what's really frustrating. That's where United was a decade ago. Fergie had done all the leg work. Got the club to an incredible position. All that was needed there on for us at least to be competitive was individuals in charge not to be terrible.
And on top of all that there's no doubt, Madrid have had some major luck.
What about the fact that both Barcelona and Real Madrid were able to negotiate their own TV contracts for almost two decades?
Atletico Madrid, even after winning La Liga, were still getting smaller TV rights revenue than the bottom-placed team in the PL. It took until 2016 for the new laws to come into place to make things more even, and even then, the effects of it wasn't felt until 2019.
All those years getting more lucrative TV deals giving them a huge advantage in consistently being able to outbid other clubs.
All those years being given a running head start and thus helping them both finish in CL spots more easily.
The likes of Valencia winning La Liga twice in three years and not being able to build on it due to not being able to keep up with Real and Barca's TV rights advantage.
I'm not saying Madrid didn't do what they needed to do to win the CL's; I'm just saying that they qualified as many times as they did, and built the teams that they have on the back of pure and unadulterated sanctioned inequality from La Liga.
Atletico Madrid, even after winning La Liga, were still getting smaller TV rights revenue than the bottom-placed team in the PL. It took until 2016 for the new laws to come into place to make things more even, and even then, the effects of it wasn't felt until 2019.
All those years getting more lucrative TV deals giving them a huge advantage in consistently being able to outbid other clubs.
All those years being given a running head start and thus helping them both finish in CL spots more easily.
The likes of Valencia winning La Liga twice in three years and not being able to build on it due to not being able to keep up with Real and Barca's TV rights advantage.
I'm not saying Madrid didn't do what they needed to do to win the CL's; I'm just saying that they qualified as many times as they did, and built the teams that they have on the back of pure and unadulterated sanctioned inequality from La Liga.
The Bavarian Slayer, shown here asking for a river to watch Madrid games
People in England were disgusted by their fans who boo their club legends such as Bale if their performances drop. Maybe that is part of the secret? They allow zero space for leniency.
#1 Well run club
#2 Great Managers only
#3 Mysterious ability to get best talent (some behind the scenes kickbacks combined with advantaged image rights relative to top clubs)
#4 "Random luck" in Europe competitions from marginal decisions (hmm where else have I heard that in Spain)
#2 Great Managers only
#3 Mysterious ability to get best talent (some behind the scenes kickbacks combined with advantaged image rights relative to top clubs)
#4 "Random luck" in Europe competitions from marginal decisions (hmm where else have I heard that in Spain)
Having standards and actually expecting them to be met.
It helps massively that seemingly every player from South America and Central Europe dreams of playing for them.
Plus being in a 2 team league that is specifically handicapped to stay that way with the TV deal payments.
Plus huge pressure from fans when standards even hint at dropping.
Whole club built around performances on the pitch, not Glazers style on the balance sheet.
Plus whatever their arrangement is with their government to prop them up.
Plus being in a 2 team league that is specifically handicapped to stay that way with the TV deal payments.
Plus huge pressure from fans when standards even hint at dropping.
Whole club built around performances on the pitch, not Glazers style on the balance sheet.
Plus whatever their arrangement is with their government to prop them up.
Long standing club culture and tradition. They are taught to believe Europe is their play ground. Better still they proved it to an extent all top managers and players desire to play for then. So they always have close to nothing but the best in class to infuse their traditions into.
Recent transfer strategy is buying Brazil at 16/17 years old. Also bought young French players, Bellingham for a bomb and Bayern players
They certainly have a pattern they are mostly sticking to and why change it? It was obviously huge money for Vincius and Rodrygo when they were young and not very proven but they got it right and havent suffered much in the first few seasons where they were bedding in Vs. players coming in during their prime for those fees. Now they have Endrick coming in hoping to repeat the trick. They do have a few that fall through the cracks like Odegaard but they dont suffer because they keep swinging and even if a talent they had is sold and goes on to become a great player, they've signed the next one themselves. When they do sign a big name player in their prime or about to be, they are able to negotiate a more reasonable price than we do as well.
While I say recently I'm looking at 4 or 5 seasons... Having got the young Brazilians coming in and post the Hazard transfer and poor adaptation they didnt actually make that many signings in 20/21 (0), Camavinga for a fee and Alaba on a free the next summer (2), Tchuameni for a large fee and Rudiger on a free the next (2) and then Bellingham and Arda Guler with a cheap Fran Garcia (3) this summer. So they really cut back after Hazard and made sure to use free transfers.
They certainly have a pattern they are mostly sticking to and why change it? It was obviously huge money for Vincius and Rodrygo when they were young and not very proven but they got it right and havent suffered much in the first few seasons where they were bedding in Vs. players coming in during their prime for those fees. Now they have Endrick coming in hoping to repeat the trick. They do have a few that fall through the cracks like Odegaard but they dont suffer because they keep swinging and even if a talent they had is sold and goes on to become a great player, they've signed the next one themselves. When they do sign a big name player in their prime or about to be, they are able to negotiate a more reasonable price than we do as well.
While I say recently I'm looking at 4 or 5 seasons... Having got the young Brazilians coming in and post the Hazard transfer and poor adaptation they didnt actually make that many signings in 20/21 (0), Camavinga for a fee and Alaba on a free the next summer (2), Tchuameni for a large fee and Rudiger on a free the next (2) and then Bellingham and Arda Guler with a cheap Fran Garcia (3) this summer. So they really cut back after Hazard and made sure to use free transfers.
They won by scoring more goals though, which is how you win
Constant sackings isn’t having high standards, having standards is not accepting seasons like this season and the rubbish served up by the manager and players combined.