What’s Real Madrid’s secret?
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Yeah they're weirdos on that show. When Hazard was smiling with his ex Chelsea team mates after Madrid lost to Chelsea they acted like he killed somebody.
Amazing scouting, amazing physical development, amazing young player development, long term plans.
But above all complete and total winning culture that permeates to the whole organization.
But above all complete and total winning culture that permeates to the whole organization.
I dislike when we get called the biggest club in the world. It sounds very goofy and untrue
Real Madrid is the biggest club in the world because :
I think this is just what it is. Real Madrid are the biggest & most succesful club in the world & have been that way for decades and arguably coming close to centuries.
If i had to compare them to another sport - it would almost be like the team India is post T20 cricket. They are just the bigger land, bigger population, better quality and quantity of players and ultimately the top of that sport and at times it just seems unbeatable.
Real Madrid is the biggest club in the world because :
- History - they have won titles in the past with some of the best players of their generation always winning things since the 1950's or even earlier
- Quality - The Quality of player is always high. Whether its the older Galacticos or the more recent targets of younger top class players, they always go for the best of the bunch at the best time possible.
- Quantity - If Modric was at United he would be our best yet only WC midfielder - at Real Madrid there is quantity. He gets to play with Kroos, Ramos, Benzema, Ronaldo, Bale etc all in his prime.
- Analysis & Resurfacing - They analyse their players very well especially when it comes to performance & age. Real Madrid would have gotten rid of Scholes, Rooney or Giggs before they became 'older legends' just to make some so called poor examples. This was shown with them getting rid of Players like Ramos, Ronaldo, Casemiro, Varane, Di Maria arguably just a year before their decline - whilst at a club like United we would have kept them until they retire on high wages for being legends of our club for many years prior to their decline. From the top of my mind only Odegaard has performed well post Real Madrid - but this was once they started targeting younger players anyway - but still moving from RMadrid to Arsenal is still a step down in terms of career even if his performances have improved. Leaving Real Madrid to join another club is like the other clubs are like dogs from the street feeding off the left overs from the King's castle.
- Environment & Culture - Spain is simply a better place to live than alot of these countries like England, France, Germany - as we have seen many non footballers retire outside of their countries and move to countries like Spain. This may seem like a small thing but can also help players from across the world settle down easier in places of similair climates and arguably even similair cultures as we have seen with south american talent for example Rodrigo or Vini Jnr. This makes them attractable place to just 'live life' to a footballer more than moving to a place like Manchester as we have seen with Di Maria for another example.
I think this is just what it is. Real Madrid are the biggest & most succesful club in the world & have been that way for decades and arguably coming close to centuries.
If i had to compare them to another sport - it would almost be like the team India is post T20 cricket. They are just the bigger land, bigger population, better quality and quantity of players and ultimately the top of that sport and at times it just seems unbeatable.
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The problem is that no one will believe you. Real Madrid’s legendary establishment power, corruption and Franco’s influence are so ingrained in the minds of English speakers that it will never go away. Even here in the CAF that has some of the highest level of debate on any forum, the conspiracy theory lives and breathes for some.
Ironically the more successful you lot are, the more people believe it. Of course you have to be corrupt, you won the CL and got Mbappé!
If you want people to stop believing it you have to stop winning for a decade. Be shit and let us have Lenny Yoro and Alphonso Davies. That will do it
There's also the economic situation of South America from the colonial period to consider. The Spanish, Portuguese and Italians benefited a lot from it in football. A wealthy enough south america with top domestic leagues, where a much smaller number of their great talents go to europe for most of their careers would have had a big impact on Spanish club football success in European competitions. So many of their best historic teams have been dependent on that mix of European and South American star to push them over the edge from being excellent sides to all-time sort of level.
The big two would still be among the elite of european clubs but i don't think the same chance of one pulling so far ahead of everyone else would be there without that Iberian colonial cultural connection.
The big two would still be among the elite of european clubs but i don't think the same chance of one pulling so far ahead of everyone else would be there without that Iberian colonial cultural connection.
They demand the best, and make sure they get it. United believe in second and third chances, they don't.
Language, Weather and location also.
It is easier for Spanish clubs to get South American players.
Huh? South America's colonial period ended long before football was invented, and for the most part, top South American players did remain in their domestic leagues until around the 1980s or so.
Madrid are currently way out in front as the best in the world but it took them quite a while to get back to such heights. They made a lot of mistakes, wasted a lot of money and provided plenty of comedic entertainment to get here.
You could argue between the late 60s and mid 90s, Madrid were little more than also rans when it came to the treat sides of those eras. And again during the 00s for the most part, at best second fiddle in their own back yard.
Things as always will change before long, Madrid will fall back a few levels, someone else will step up.
You could argue between the late 60s and mid 90s, Madrid were little more than also rans when it came to the treat sides of those eras. And again during the 00s for the most part, at best second fiddle in their own back yard.
Things as always will change before long, Madrid will fall back a few levels, someone else will step up.
The results and impact of it didn't stop then though, that shouldn't need explaining. It's a time that has shaped much of our current world.
True, but that's a long time ago now, and the ones that did move in earlier decades (50s, early 60s)) before foreigner rules got tightened up mostly tended to go to those leagues, where numerous ones made a huge impact. It's one more factor, not the main one, but it shouldn't be discounted.
How did Italy benefit, given that they never had any colonial holdings in South America? Unless you're referring to the waves of Italian immigration to Brazil and Argentina in the late 19th / early 20th centuries, which is another matter altogether.
Culturally and linguistically similar, made it easy to adapt and integrate. Also the wave of immigrations meant many of those SA players had Italian roots themselves
To @Demyanenko_square_jaw point: Real Madrid transformed with the signing of Di Stefano. He's one of the 2 most important figures in the club's history. Without him, we may very well be the Arsenal of Spain
Good point on Di Stefano. His signing truly was transformative, and at the time it was very rare for a South American player to join a European side.
I do personally think the cultural point is overstated a bit - it helps for sure, but generally, top players will follow the money. In the 80s and early 90s that meant Italy, later in the 90s and early 2000s it meant Spain, and over the last decade or so it's been England (as well as the big 2 in Spain, and PSG, of course).
Florentino Pérez is by far the greatest chairman in history of football.
Yes, the man has had many failures, but he easily overturns those with many of his other achievements.
Principally, I would say he strives to maintain a successful organization in absolutely all areas for Real Madrid:
Football (#1 Priority),
Finance (#2 Priority),
Legal,
Marketing and Social Media,
Branding,
HR,
Public Relationships,
If we take Barcelona as a reference in any of these areas I just mentioned and made a comparison, how would you rate both clubs? I think difference is huge and it all goes down as to what level of professionalism Florentino has poured within Real Madrid.
Also, I think the principal success Florentino has achieved is that he has managed Real Madrid to change as quickly as possible into football's highests risks: he not only endured a Pandemic but managed to stay at the top, with excellent financial and sporting results. He has managed (until now) to "fight" against oil clubs and powerful influential businessmen within UEFA and continue signing the best players in the world such as Bellingham and Mbappé for free...
I don't know if Madrid will eventually suffer any decline after Florentino retires, but I'm absolutely sure they'll miss the man.
Yes, the man has had many failures, but he easily overturns those with many of his other achievements.
Principally, I would say he strives to maintain a successful organization in absolutely all areas for Real Madrid:
Football (#1 Priority),
Finance (#2 Priority),
Legal,
Marketing and Social Media,
Branding,
HR,
Public Relationships,
If we take Barcelona as a reference in any of these areas I just mentioned and made a comparison, how would you rate both clubs? I think difference is huge and it all goes down as to what level of professionalism Florentino has poured within Real Madrid.
Also, I think the principal success Florentino has achieved is that he has managed Real Madrid to change as quickly as possible into football's highests risks: he not only endured a Pandemic but managed to stay at the top, with excellent financial and sporting results. He has managed (until now) to "fight" against oil clubs and powerful influential businessmen within UEFA and continue signing the best players in the world such as Bellingham and Mbappé for free...
I don't know if Madrid will eventually suffer any decline after Florentino retires, but I'm absolutely sure they'll miss the man.
I love a good Chiringuito 'extended silence' moment.
Yes, it is very possible there's other teams who have more right now.
Just, because Real Madrid have had it for longer, they have built a legacy that also makes Madrid look more attractive an option for players.
I am not a hypocrite, and I know the same could be said about any team, including my own (Inter).
The secret behind Inter being more successful than Roma is Inter's historical financial and political edge over Roma.
The same is true for Man United's edge over, say, Aston Villa.
For teams to consistently reach the CL, they all need to be really powerful.
Real Madrid just happens to be the most powerful of them all (even through having had the power for longer, which is why even if PSG has more right now, players might still pick Real Madrid over PSG).
Oh and by the way, to prevent misunderstandings .... by "powerful" I don't mean through shady agreements with referees or anything of the sort.
The only player that was actually argentinian in the 2006 WC (though with italian origins) was Mauro German Camoranesi.
He had a forgettable WC and was not exactly the same breed as Cannavaro, Nesta, Pirlo, Buffon, Totti, Del Piero, Grosso (scored the decisive goals), or many others in that team.
The first time we ever had a player in our national team with no white skin was ... Mario Balotelli.
If you compare it with the english national team, there is a big difference when you look at how many players came from their colonies (albeit often through their parents or grandparents).
Compare it with the french national team too, and the actual african origin of many of their most successful players.
The impact that french and english colonies had over their national team was a lot higher than the impact Argentina or Brazil (which were not even italian colonies) had on italian football.
I think you are making the assumption that the languages are similar, and therefore they must have a free interchange of players, which is far from the truth.
If you look to the best ever players in italian football .... you'll find they all were born in Italy (Milano, Roma, Padova, Napoli, or any other town) from Italian parents, who on their own had italian parents born in Italy, with traditional italian last names.
Italy won, by itself, more than England and France did altogether .... and did so with more players with a long and established national (italian) ancestry from the national territory (Italy in our case). We had like 5 who naturalized, but if you compare it to France especially, but even England (with players who were, indeed, English, but had parents or grandparents from other countries) .... you'll find the stark reality.
We needed less external help, and still won more.
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I was thinking about club football. International never even crossed my mind.