Westminster Politics

Solius said:
What's this redrawing of the boundaries then? Does that make it harder for a Labour election win? I thought they were still so far ahead in the polling.
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Just reading about that.

Boundary changes mean Labour needs bigger swing than 1997 to win general election
Sir Keir Starmer will have to achieve a swing of 12.7 points from the Conservatives to become prime minister, new research shows – larger than the 10.2-point swing Tony Blair managed in his 1997 landslide, and more than double the swing at any other election since 1945.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/16/boundary-changes-labour-general-election/

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“The Conservatives have made a net gain of seven seats from the new boundaries; Labour has a net loss of two seats. The Liberal Democrats lose three seats and Plaid Cymru drops from four seats to just two.”
 
Buster15 said:
What is insane is that France, Germany and Italy obviously don't rely on shipping that sail through the Red Sea. Because these NATO nations declined to support the US/UK air strikes on Huthis in Yemen who have been attacking civilian shopping.
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Source?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Cheers for that.
I looked on Maersk website and looked for a shipping time from Tangier to Singapore which they're still showing as 3.5 weeks for a vessel leaving in 2 days, ie through Suez.
Presume they're hoping/expecting a quick solution. Or will it escalate.
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From what I know, some carriers are sending part of their fleets through Red Sea and whilst continuing to send other vessels within their fleets around COGH. The carriers don't tend to own all vessels within their fleet - they charter a lot from other companies/owners. It is predominantly the vessels with links (or potential links) to those friendly with Israel which are being diverted. Same applies to breakbulk, RoRo carriers too. Prices are most definitely rising in terms of surcharges and peak season costs being enforced, which will all flow down to the consumer.
 
Relfy said:
From what I know, some carriers are sending part of their fleets through Red Sea and whilst continuing to send other vessels within their fleets around COGH. The carriers don't tend to own all vessels within their fleet - they charter a lot from other companies/owners. It is predominantly the vessels with links (or potential links) to those friendly with Israel which are being diverted. Same applies to breakbulk, RoRo carriers too. Prices are most definitely rising in terms of surcharges and peak season costs being enforced, which will all flow down to the consumer.
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Used to be in the international trading business. Retired for seven years but it got me thinking. Out of the 10s of thousands of containers we shipped all around the world, so little of it went through the Red Sea, definitely a lot less than 10% but that's because we didn't trade much between Europe and the Far East. And the US ship very little through there and the UK (nor the EU) not a great deal. GOGH adds ten days to the journey. See how this pans out.
 
Abizzz said:
Source?
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The source my friend is the main news media. Both the BBC and Sky covered the operation and even though it was clear that just the US and UK jets were involved, you can easily check this out.
 
Buster15 said:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...8QFnoECEAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3hiPkWvSx-3Qf6iSLCnZcf

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...8QFnoECDkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2eHRkJ2OyTn_VsHd8yGpKH

Just 2 examples.
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Cheers.

France failed to sign a statement of support for the US and UK air strikes on the Houthis after it said it would not take part in bombing raids to protect Red Sea shipping.

Washington and London took action on Thursday after the Houthis attacked ships, including the destroyer Diamond, with drones on Tuesday.

Germany, Denmark, The Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Korea and Bahrain signed a joint statement backing the US-UK strikes and warning of further action.

The Dutch also provided logistical help during the strikes but other major European powers including France, Spain and Italy did not offer military or political support.
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Doesn't sound like it's a very united position.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
In the insane world where refugees no longer tried to get to the UK or the UK opened up safe routes and nobody crossed the Channel in a small boat. The 30,000 people that are deemed responsible for all the ills of the UK - can't blame them anymore - check. EU, no can't be them - Uk have left -check. Who's next on the hit list?
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Well spotted Paul...it's that insane world that is taking the Tories down the rabbit hole!
With Starmer laying back watching and chewing on a carrot and saying " What's up Doc" ;)
 
Maticmaker said:
Well spotted Paul...it's that insane world that is taking the Tories down the rabbit hole!
With Starmer laying back watching and chewing on a carrot and saying " What's up Doc" ;)
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It's not what he said according to other posts - "We've lost control of our borders and we'll stop the boats" is more like it.
 
Solius said:
What's this redrawing of the boundaries then? Does that make it harder for a Labour election win? I thought they were still so far ahead in the polling.
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It happens after a census to ensure the seats have equal number of registered voters. It is just unfortunate the new House of Commons is drawn in a way more favourable to the Tories. The Electoral Commission, who redraw the boundaries, have to do so politically neutrally, unlike the US for example.
 
TheGame said:
:lol: :lol:
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The Tories seem too split to remain as one party now. It's got no resemblance to what it was a decade ago and that still doesn't appease idiots like those two. Splitting the vote of the right for the foreseeable would be a great outcome for the UK though.
 
FireballXL5 said:
Country is on it's knees and these fecking clowns are acting out this farce.
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Exactly that.
The country is broken and nothing works properly. But the Tories carry on playing their infantile games as if the HoC is the centre of the universe and nothing else matters apart from their Rwanda obsession.
 
Clearly the most important issue facing this country is not being able to spend millions of pounds flying asylum seekers to Rwanda. Second only to the travesty that the goverment can't legislate on what they determine is true or not.

The sky is green. Say otherwise and you're breaking the law.
 
Bert_ said:
Clearly the most important issue facing this country is not being able to spend millions of pounds flying asylum seekers to Rwanda. Second only to the travesty that the goverment can't legislate on what they determine is true or not.

The sky is green. Say otherwise and you're breaking the law.
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The sky is green and Rwanda is a safe place.
 
TheGame said:
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Universal free school meals would cost £24bn, and around £8bn if tied to universal credit. Both investments would bring a positive return given the benefits they would bring. And the person's point still stands - this government's spending decisions are not based on any coherent set of principles
 
Frosty said:
Universal free school meals would cost £24bn, and around £8bn if tied to universal credit. Both investments would bring a positive return given the benefits they would bring. And the person's point still stands - this government's spending decisions are not based on any coherent set of principles
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Are you sure of the bolded? IFS seems to reckon it'd cost around 2.5 Billion and around 1 billion respectively (as of March last year):

Institute for Fiscal Studies said:
With Scotland, Wales and London committed to more universal provision – and a bill to offer free school meals to all primary pupils in England currently before Parliament – new IFS research published today, and funded by the Economic and Social Research Council, explores the options and trade-offs for potential expansions of free school meals in England. The research finds that:
  • Expanding eligibility to all state school pupils (primary and secondary) whose families claim universal credit could cost about £1 billion a year in the longer term, a 70% increase in spending on free school meals.
  • Instead offering free school meals to all state primary school pupils (as the London mayor will pilot from September) would also cost around £1 billion a year. This would benefit children in Years 3 through 6 (free school meals are already universal in Reception through Year 2). Offering free school meals to all state school pupils (Reception through Year 11) would cost about £2.5 billion a year, nearly trebling current spending. Neither of these reforms would directly impact the very poorest children, who are already eligible for means-tested free school meals.
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While everything else is going on, this stupid bit of legislation has now come in. So if you haven't lived in the UK for over 15 years now you can still vote in the elections. Of course nothing to do with the fact the ex pats vote Tory of course.
 
TheGame said:
While everything else is going on, this stupid bit of legislation has now come in. So if you haven't lived in the UK for over 15 years now you can still vote in the elections. Of course nothing to do with the fact the ex pats vote Tory of course.
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Why should people who don’t live here permanently get to choose how the people who do are governed? Revolutions have been started for less
 
That'sHernandez said:
Why should people who don’t live here permanently get to choose how the people who do are governed? Revolutions have been started for less
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Because they vote Tory simple as and they can donate to the Tory party. The previous rule was 15 years now it's unlimited. Not to mention the amount of work required to get them registered. Alot of these idiots are the ones who voted for Brexit.
 
TheGame said:
Because they vote Tory simple as and they can donate to the Tory party. The previous rule was 15 years now it's unlimited. Not to mention the amount of work required to get them registered. Alot of these idiots are the ones who voted for Brexit.
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Oi, Brexit probably wouldn't have happened if this had been the rule in 2016.
I've paid loads of tax in the UK since I left 17 years ago and get nothing for it.

But I wouldn't vote unless there was another referendum as there's no-one decent to vote for.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Why should people who don’t live here permanently get to choose how the people who do are governed? Revolutions have been started for less
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I'm a citizen and still own property and pay taxes there.
TheGame said:
Because they vote Tory simple as and they can donate to the Tory party. The previous rule was 15 years now it's unlimited. Not to mention the amount of work required to get them registered. Alot of these idiots are the ones who voted for Brexit.
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The electioneering going on with this and voter ID would be vilified by the press if it was in Turkey or somewhere else.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Oi, Brexit probably wouldn't have happened if this had been the rule in 2016.
I've paid loads of tax in the UK since I left 17 years ago and get nothing for it.

But I wouldn't vote unless there was another referendum as there's no-one decent to vote for.
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If people can demonstrate like with situations like yourself that you have a connection like paying tax, have a business etc then its fine but for people who've moved away and have no link with the country, I have no idea why they are allowed to vote.
 
TheGame said:
If people can demonstrate like with situations like yourself that you have a connection like paying tax, have a business etc then its fine but for people who've moved away and have no link with the country, I have no idea why they are allowed to vote.
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Most countries are like that; the Uk was one of the exceptions. Whatever the government policy is, it will affect British people abroad in one way or another. Brexit being the prime example, re education, movement, jobs, healthcare , pensions and so many hundreds of other implications that affect Brits who have moved overseas.
 
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