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Comparing Johnson to Attlee has given me heart palpitations. Couldn't get much more of an opposite.
Good satire.
How many PMs didn't go to Public school, of any persuasion?
Thatcher for one who everybody seem to hate, so I don't know what her point is.
A number of fallacies in this argument.
Fallacy of past performance. Circular reasoning?
Are you serious?
Attlee was put in charge of Labour after the previous leader resigned, his reputation was middling, and his eventual election was in large part down to there being a lack of credible alternatives after the war ended.
Lots of parallels, actually.
Was dead confused as to why you posted this, nothing he said there is really wrong.
Then I checked the news.
Think after Brexit is all over, and Corbyn is eventually gone too, he'll look at all the decisions he made and kick himself.
And he will still be treated by the media as a credible figure. Utterly spineless, devoid of any principles and motivated by nothing other than his own personal prestige. So far Umunna has stated that we should leave the Single Market, he has rejected the idea of a second referendum, and condemned the Lib Dems unequivocally as a party he could never align himself with.
And yet where is he today? A member of the Lib Dems, having spent the past year or so on an "ultra-Remain" platform championing a second referendum. It also exposes a glaring weakness in our political system that he can be voted in by his electorate as a member of the Labour party, leave to form a new party, and now change his mind again and join the Lib Dems, all without triggering a by-election.
Yeah I agree, it's a bit ridiculous.
The bloke bought 3 used water cannons with 67 known faults and they were scrapped at a massive loss to the taxpayer. He isn't an acting buffoon, he is an extremely dangerous moron.
Err...the country was being led by the same guy people now hail as one of the country's greatest heroes, the same guy who eventually beat Attlee again six years later, albeit on the technicality of the electoral system. Granted, Churchill's post-war campaign misjudged the mood of the country terribly, but he certainly wasn't the weakest opposition a government had come up against.
Personality-wise I'd argue Attlee and Boris are/were vastly different. Attlee was never really a showman, instead someone who viewed himself as the head of a collective cabinet with a lot of competing views, a strong managerial figure as opposed to the country's esteemed and absolute leader. Boris, meanwhile, is someone incredibly obsessed with himself, a self-styled larger-than-life personality who desires the attention to be placed on him specifically. The Boris-Churchill comparisons make sense on a surface level; Boris-Attlee doesn't place except for the fact that both men will presumably be looked back on as men who held the office of PM.
Boris doing a Corbyn and going into hiding at the most important time in his political career. Incredible that we have such pathetic leaders.
Well let's be fair... He is a moron but the specifics here are that they knew about the faults and they were fixable at a cost of around 100k .... The reason they were not used is that may refused the licence to use them.... So the fact that when he brought them they were not legally permitted to be used was imo the bigger mistake...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ed-water-cannon-sold-for-scrap-at-300000-loss
He basically presumed he could get the policy changed... Perhaps a foretaste of his idea that he is going to negotiate a new brexit deal
The "massive loss" though in government terms was insignificant at £300k
He's made far bigger feck ups (garden bridge... Olympic stadium legacy...) and most probably will make many more as pm
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what a clueless plonker...
Aka clearly a potential brexit / foreign / trade secretary for pm johnson
That’s being very kind.
People in 1945 were desperate to draw a line under the war and move on, and Churchill was seen as the figurehead of all that. It was a vote for something other than what had gone before rather than a vote specifically for Labour and Attlee. Like i say, Attlee had a middling reputation and even his years in power were not seen particularly favourably at the time. He won a second term by the skin of his teeth and his government collapsed shortly into it. It was only in later years that his star rose.
For the record, i'm not saying Boris is on their level. He has personality, which counts for an lot after years of bland politicians blending into one, and he's a better option than anything else out there at the moment.
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If he's such a great leader what has he actually achieved in his briefs in government?
Guess who doesn't want a debate?
If our entire political class tipped themselves, I wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
If our entire political class tipped themselves, I wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
Ooh, I think I know the answer to this one.
It's that racist, piece of shit Lynton Crosby who is managing Boris's campaign, isn't it?
You should hear what the civil servants who worked with him think of him (I happen to know a couple).
Needless to say, he would be a very poor choice of PM.
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I have heard some people suggest there's a tinge of misogyny is the stick she gets. Maybe it's true but she's especially daft.
He got a British-Iranian lady locked up because he doesn't know what the feck is going to come out of his mouth at any given time. I guess that's considered a positive to those who vote for him.
This is the perfect example of why democracy doesn't work.
People don't care about the real world consequences as long as they are entertained.
It's not a reality TV show its your country and your life you buffoon.
Yeah maybe although she is a tory so who gives a shit.
Also McVey like Boris will just say anything to get the tory membership votes.
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He's expressed an opinion is all.
Tell me this. Who do you think out of 650 MP's would be fit to run this country? Tell you what lets widen it out. Which politician past or present anywhere on the planet would be the best person to run 2019 UK? Still wider - include non- politicians. Name anyone and there'll be someone to kick lumps out him or her.
I'm not a Boris fan at all but I do agree that the quality most lacking in UK politics at present is leadership. Clearly he has more of that rub than the others. He's probably set for a landslide in this election and if he then can get Brexit over the line I think he will almost immediately call a GE and more than likely win a serious majority.
What has Boris Johnson done to suggest that he is a good leader? It's one of these narratives that occasionally gets peddled that I don't really understand. Is it because he's a man and he's outspoken?
Why did he chicken out after Cameron left?
Nothing much I agree. I wrestle with it because as I said I'm no fan. But he does appeal to a lot of the electorate and I would include voters from other parties in that. Somebody said that he's a chairman and not a CEO. A figurehead that will leave most of the details to the civil service. He was a rubbish Foreign Secretary but that's almost certainly because it wasn't the job he wanted. Maybe if he get the top job he might step up to the plate. One things for sure though, like Thatcher he'll be majorly divisive.
Gove chucked his hat in the ring which would have split his vote. I don't know what advice he got that led him to pull out. In hindsight it looks like a wise move because he's probably going to romp it now with Teresa May having taken all the body blows. I feel a little sorry for her because I reckon Parliament will eventually vote for some version of her deal.