Westminster Politics

Immigration is losing its bite as a genuine vote earner though; it’s too transparent at this point and isn’t getting them anywhere.

They’ve had 13 years of power and boy does the public know it and it’s an easy response for Lab, and the Conservative party line on the issue is a circus. Even this further statement on we’ll try again with Rwanda is basically a dead cat - his proposed “solution” isn’t even an answer to the critiques in the court judgement.

It’s also somewhat humorous it’s the ethnic minorities in the party as the face of arguing against the net economic benefits of migration. They think it allows them to be harsh in their rhetoric but it is all a bit self defeating saying “no, THOSE non-whites are bad for the economy”.

PMQs today Rishi was obviously flat-footed. Whenever he blindly name drops Corbyn he looks pathetically weak and has no answer so hides behind “but Jeremy Corbyn exists!!!!!” - I wasn’t even a big fan of Corbyn but give the history’s greatest monster rhetoric a rest.

Generally agree with you to be honest, but having woken up a few times recently to EDL presence and David Cameron back in Government, I feel like it’s 2011 again!

It’s genuinely one of the most confusing times to be alive for some people, and it appears that the boundary lines for political position are being crossed from all angles.
 
Immigration is losing its bite as a genuine vote earner though; it’s too transparent at this point and isn’t getting them anywhere.

They’ve had 13 years of power and boy does the public know it and it’s an easy response for Lab, and the Conservative party line on the issue is a circus. Even this further statement on we’ll try again with Rwanda is basically a dead cat - his proposed “solution” isn’t even an answer to the critiques in the court judgement.

It’s also somewhat humorous it’s the ethnic minorities in the party as the face of arguing against the net economic benefits of migration. They think it allows them to be harsh in their rhetoric but it is all a bit self defeating saying “no, THOSE non-whites are bad for the economy”.

PMQs today Rishi was obviously flat-footed. Whenever he blindly name drops Corbyn he looks pathetically weak and has no answer so hides behind “but Jeremy Corbyn exists!!!!!” - I wasn’t even a big fan of Corbyn but give the history’s greatest monster rhetoric a rest.
I don't believe that for a second. A chunk of voters no doubt have lost faith in the Tories' ability to stem immigration, but it remains a burning issue.
For voters who see it as a top two three issue, they won't vote Labour, they'll keep voting Tory and blaming the ECHR, UN, Sunak, liberal elite or whatever bollocks.
 
They obviously expected to lose and will just use it frame their next election campaign. They're banking on the crazy right at this stage so immigration and anti-establishment policies will be front and centre.

It's going to be a horrible election campaign and Labour will be meek in their response to it.
 
Its a bit ironic prime ministar who's of Punjabi descent is going big on immigration in the sense of stopping it.
 
God Almighty



these kinds of people always give the game away when they say "look after our own first". It's not that they think it's impossible to do both, but they'd rather see others hurt and suffer than holding their political party to account for not achieving both.
 
God Almighty


Amusing how these gammons think the second we deport those migrants to Rwanda, huge money wells start erupting all over the nation, and Britain then transforms into a land of milk and honey. Its as if those pesky migrants were the one thing holding Britain back from greatness, and definitely nothing to do with over a decade of Tory cronyism and economic mismanagement.They were right about it being an opportunity to invest in and help 'our own', unfortunately for them 'our own' refers to the Tories and their mates, and the rest of us won't see a penny of any investment.
 
these kinds of people always give the game away when they say "look after our own first". It's not that they think it's impossible to do both, but they'd rather see others hurt and suffer than holding their political party to account for not achieving both.
They believe we have no money because they've watched their communities and services perish.

Unfortunately they don't understand that it's the choice of the politicians they elected why their library and A&E has closed, not that 40 people drowned en route across the channel. They believe we have no money and we must lower numbers to spread the finite cash. Like a household. Alas that and general bigotry.
 
They believe we have no money because they've watched their communities and services perish.

Unfortunately they don't understand that it's the choice of the politicians they elected why their library and A&E has closed, not that 40 people drowned en route across the channel. They believe we have no money and we must lower numbers to spread the finite cash. Like a household. Alas that and general bigotry.

Exactly this and the cycle just repeats itself because they read papers like the Daily Mail.
 
Exactly this and the cycle just repeats itself because they read papers like the Daily Mail.
Even if we removed 5million migrants, there would still be no A&E or community centre. There would be no more money.

This is because the people they voted in don't believe they should have a community centre or a doctor's surgery.

So regardless of how many people we get rid of, their lives aren't improving.
 
God Almighty


This is the new brexit. They will make this central point of the next election. we are so stupid in this country. People will base their vote on an undeliverable promise by the tories. We are a finished country.
 
God Almighty



This is what you get when the vast majority of the papers continue to headline this issue.
Precisely what happened in 2016 that resulted in Brexit.
Gullible people swallowing what they are being fed daily by the media.
 
Amusing how these gammons think the second we deport those migrants to Rwanda, huge money wells start erupting all over the nation, and Britain then transforms into a land of milk and honey. Its as if those pesky migrants were the one thing holding Britain back from greatness, and definitely nothing to do with over a decade of Tory cronyism and economic mismanagement.They were right about it being an opportunity to invest in and help 'our own', unfortunately for them 'our own' refers to the Tories and their mates, and the rest of us won't see a penny of any investment.

The same people who were dumb enough to believe in Boris Brexit red bus promising hundreds of millions for the NHS.
 
The same people who were dumb enough to believe in Boris Brexit red bus promising hundreds of millions for the NHS.
People are suckers. Doesn’t matter how many times they have been mugged. Politicians know these things. They are desperate for politicians to tell them what they want to hear and will keep believing it. There’s no hope.
 
The same people who were dumb enough to believe in Boris Brexit red bus promising hundreds of millions for the NHS.
Except he did honour that, millions were indeed put aside for 'the NHS'. What he failed to mentioned was they would be in the form of shady contracts for Tory affiliated businesses involved in healthcare.
 
Cleverly says he won't apologise for £140m already spent on Rwanda scheme, saying it's already having deterrent effect
The government has already given Rwanda £140m as part of its deportation deal, even though not one asylum seeker has yet been sent to the country. Asked about this on LBC, James Cleverly, the home secretary, said he would not be apologising for spending this money. He claimed the policy was already having a deterrent effect. He said

I’m going to be really clear on this. I make no apology at all for spending money protecting this nation. It is the primary function of government.
We know that even before the first flight has taken off the Rwanda policy is having a deterrent effect.
We interview people that have attempted to come here through illegal migration and we know that people have been dissuaded from coming to the UK because of the fear of Rwanda scheme.
So they've interviewed people who have attempted to come to the UK - but if they had been dissuaded how could they be attempting to go?
Fear of the Rwanda scheme - why should they fear a nice cuddly lovely place? And nobody's been sent yet and nobody will ever be sent.
 
People are suckers. Doesn’t matter how many times they have been mugged. Politicians know these things. They are desperate for politicians to tell them what they want to hear and will keep believing it. There’s no hope.

It's the same reason Nigel Farage is still hanging around. These people are too lazy enough to do their research to determine what is actually happening and just read the quick headlines in the Daily Mail instead.
 
Cleverly says he won't apologise for £140m already spent on Rwanda scheme, saying it's already having deterrent effect
The government has already given Rwanda £140m as part of its deportation deal, even though not one asylum seeker has yet been sent to the country. Asked about this on LBC, James Cleverly, the home secretary, said he would not be apologising for spending this money. He claimed the policy was already having a deterrent effect. He said


So they've interviewed people who have attempted to come to the UK - but if they had been dissuaded how could they be attempting to go?
Fear of the Rwanda scheme - why should they fear a nice cuddly lovely place? And nobody's been sent yet and nobody will ever be sent.
What's the source for this?
 
I always ignored the Rwanda thingy because i assumed that it was an agreement between assylum seekers from Rwanda to be sent back (that is very sad). But did i read right that it was to send to Rwanda any assylum seakers regardless of the nationality?
I think you’re going to be seeing something similar from a lot of European countries. Italy, Austria, Denmark and Germany have all been talking about expediting the processing of asylum claims.

Italy/Albania is the one currently being discussed most, although the difference is that they are processing the asylum claims in Albania with the idea of them going back to Italy. In reality though, once they are off Italian territory, I have no idea how many would successfully make it back to Italy. They certainly won’t be staying in Albania if unsuccessful.

It’s all head in the sand type stuff anyway. There needs to be far more sharing of responsibility. Some of the more right wing EU countries will be trying to copy the Rwanda scheme straight away if they are forced to share refugees fairly.
 
People are suckers. Doesn’t matter how many times they have been mugged. Politicians know these things. They are desperate for politicians to tell them what they want to hear and will keep believing it. There’s no hope.
There used to be a saying along the lines of what happens in America happens in the UK 10 years later, if that holds true you should al be terrified!
 
I don't believe that for a second. A chunk of voters no doubt have lost faith in the Tories' ability to stem immigration, but it remains a burning issue.
For voters who see it as a top two three issue, they won't vote Labour, they'll keep voting Tory and blaming the ECHR, UN, Sunak, liberal elite or whatever bollocks.

I think you have to account for how many votes it also loses you, not only how many it retains for you.
 
Amusing how these gammons think the second we deport those migrants to Rwanda, huge money wells start erupting all over the nation, and Britain then transforms into a land of milk and honey. Its as if those pesky migrants were the one thing holding Britain back from greatness, and definitely nothing to do with over a decade of Tory cronyism and economic mismanagement.They were right about it being an opportunity to invest in and help 'our own', unfortunately for them 'our own' refers to the Tories and their mates, and the rest of us won't see a penny of any investment.

Could replace pesky immigrants with the 300mil being sent to the EU which could be spent on the NHS. They have literally no critical thinking skills. They will never see any money "saved" from a Tory Government just as the NHS hasn't seen any of this "300mil saved" as a result of brexit.