Westminster Politics

TheGame said:
Oh feck off.

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So we've progressed from 'get Brexit done' to 'get Rwanda done'.

A party that clearly has no tangible vision for the country, not in manifesto nor any sort of policy based vision. Just vacuous soundbites, sprinkled with the odd dog whistle and culture war nonsense. All so they can hop on and off the gravy train, sorting themselves and their friends out at the expense of the public.

Also its high time we fire Boris into the sun. Sick of the sight of him and his mouth-frothing supporters.
 
Looks like Jess Phillips is about to resign amongst other front benchers. Quite like her, and I'd like think shell be back should labour win next election.
 
Buster15 said:
So. What now happens to be hundred plus millions the UK has paid to Rwanda?
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Probably after the decision today (I mean, who could possibly have expected that result ? ;)) a decent percentage of it is on its way to an overseas bank somewhere, probably the Cayman islands, to be divided-up some time after the next GE. It was always a 'pig-in-a-poke' deal.

The natural party of power eh!
 
The Tories will campaign on breaking the law.
This country is fecked and I fear we are not far off Yankeeland.
 
We’re on the precipice. These guys will go to any lengths to whip up their crowd. Tories have nothing to talk about apart from immigration. I have never seen a country consume itself with a non issue as much as this country.
 
Adisa said:
We’re on the precipice. These guys will go to any lengths to whip up their crowd. Tories have nothing to talk about apart from immigration. I have never seen a country consume itself with a non issue as much as this country.
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The USA, but we’re doing all we can to catch them up.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67418363

So Sunak is going to pass a law saying that Rwanda is a safe country.

Of course. Our wonderful PM believes he can magically make Rwanda a safe country simply by passing a law.
Don't know why he hasn't let everyone else in on his latest bit of magic.
No more wars. Just pass a law and instantly we have world peace.

Dim twat is a total embarrassment.
 
Labour bid for humanitarian pauses, loses (majority of 107)
 
Adisa said:
We’re on the precipice. These guys will go to any lengths to whip up their crowd. Tories have nothing to talk about apart from immigration. I have never seen a country consume itself with a non issue as much as this country.
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My mind always goes back to the term of ‘hypernormalisation’ when thinking of the UK and US government in modern times:

which describes paradoxes of Soviet life during the 1970s and 1980s.[3][4] He says that everyone in the Soviet Union knew the system was failing, but no one could imagine an alternative to the status quo, and politicians and citizens alike were resigned to maintaining the pretense of a functioning society.
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(Kudos to @Sweet Square for actually making me learn of the term).
 
I always ignored the Rwanda thingy because i assumed that it was an agreement between assylum seekers from Rwanda to be sent back (that is very sad). But did i read right that it was to send to Rwanda any assylum seakers regardless of the nationality?
 
4bars said:
I always ignored the Rwanda thingy because i assumed that it was an agreement between assylum seekers from Rwanda to be sent back (that is very sad). But did i read right that it was to send to Rwanda any assylum seakers regardless of the nationality?
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Yes, the latter.
 
Rwanda had less than 500 asylum applications in a year recently.

Our backlog goes to about 150,000.

So we could burst their infrastructure by sending 10x their annual intake, and it would still only be 3% of the backlog covered!

That’s the killer for me, that they’re willing to try to pull out of all of these international agreements at all is one horrific thing, but for something that barely scratches the surface of the issue?!?!?
 
Shameful seeing these Muslim shadow cabinet members abstain as they were worried about losing their jobs.
 
i’m hoping this is all part of some secret experiment, and that anyone who actually votes for this shower to get another stab at being even shitter come the next election has their right to vote removed from them, after being kicked swiftly in the bollocks.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Rwanda had less than 500 asylum applications in a year recently.

Our backlog goes to about 150,000.

So we could burst their infrastructure by sending 10x their annual intake, and it would still only be 3% of the backlog covered!

That’s the killer for me, that they’re willing to try to pull out of all of these international agreements at all is one horrific thing, but for something that barely scratches the surface of the issue?!?!?
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And there was the agreement that we would, in turn, accept some asylum seekers they didn't want. There was never anything to this plan than a massively expensive PR stunt to curry favour with the old, thick racist element of the voting public, and one the Tories wrongly thought would be an easy win for them.
 
Rwanda was only ever a culture war topic rather than a solution. Two questions:

1 What percentage of the population are genuinely animated by this idea of sending them to Rwanda? 20% and decreasing according to actuarial statistics? Or is the effect greater due to constituency boundaries?
2. For the 99.9% on here who see through this bs, are we playing to the Tories’ tune by even discussing this ridiculous “project” when public services are collapsing due to 13 years of clown car rule?
 
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Would anyone be surprised if he calls a spring election and fights it on brexit ref terms..ie immigration / brown people out.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Rwanda was only ever a culture war topic rather than a solution. Two questions:

1 What percentage of the population are genuinely animated by this idea of sending them to Rwanda? 20% and decreasing according to actuarial statistics? Or is the effect greater die to constituency boundaries?
2. For the 99.9% on here who see through this bs, are we playing to the Tories’ tune by even discussing this ridiculous “project” when public services are collapsing due to 13 years of clown car rule?
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The main objective was probably to devise a plan that even Starmer would think is too far(quite a challenge, to be fair) so they can lambast labour for opposing the will of the people. Attacking labour is all they have left now.
 
Withnail said:
I'm sorry... What?

I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to the Rwanda thing as I'm not from the UK but sending all asylum seekers to Rwanda is just bizarre.
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Yeah, right? And they're trying to break the law to force it through.
 
Superden said:
Would anyone be surprised if he calls a spring election and fights it on brexit ref terms..ie immigration / brown people out.
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Once Brexit talk/immigration talk ramps up, you know something is around the corner.

It’s the easiest political point scoring system in the UK. Throw in the the current trend of referring to pro-ceasefire people now being branded as antisemites and you’ve got yourself a great sideshow over in the Labour camp for the Tories to use as further political points.

Pre October 7th I thought Sunak would run his full term but I’m starting to think they will ramp up the rhetoric and go for it. Just waiting for Nigel Farage to crawl out of the woodwork before it’s certain.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
Once Brexit talk/immigration talk ramps up, you know something is around the corner.

It’s the easiest political point scoring system in the UK. Throw in the the current trend of referring to pro-ceasefire people now being branded as antisemites and you’ve got yourself a great sideshow over in the Labour camp for the Tories to use as further political points.

Pre October 7th I thought Sunak would run his full term but I’m starting to think they will ramp up the rhetoric and go for it. Just waiting for Nigel Farage to crawl out of the woodwork before it’s certain.
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Immigration is losing its bite as a genuine vote earner though; it’s too transparent at this point and isn’t getting them anywhere.

They’ve had 13 years of power and boy does the public know it and it’s an easy response for Lab, and the Conservative party line on the issue is a circus. Even this further statement on we’ll try again with Rwanda is basically a dead cat - his proposed “solution” isn’t even an answer to the critiques in the court judgement.

It’s also somewhat humorous it’s the ethnic minorities in the party as the face of arguing against the net economic benefits of migration. They think it allows them to be harsh in their rhetoric but it is all a bit self defeating saying “no, THOSE non-whites are bad for the economy”.

PMQs today Rishi was obviously flat-footed. Whenever he blindly name drops Corbyn he looks pathetically weak and has no answer so hides behind “but Jeremy Corbyn exists!!!!!” - I wasn’t even a big fan of Corbyn but give the history’s greatest monster rhetoric a rest.
 
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