Westminster Politics

The Tories are going to get decimated at the next election.

This is the biggest opportunity this country has had change course since Attlee. If we can get Labour and the Lib Dems to unite and pass PR. Then then Tories are dead forever.

Starmer will take short term power over long term security though. And will add himself to the list of Prime Ministers no one will remeber in a generation.
 
altodevil said:
A Labour majority would be an awful result at the next election. Better than what we've had for the last decade sure, but still really bad.
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Not sure I get the longing for the Lib Dems, they were in coalition with the last tory govt - they would pull Labour further rightwards, no?
 
Bert_ said:
The Tories are going to get decimated at the next election.

This is the biggest opportunity this country has had change course since Attlee. If we can get Labour and the Lib Dems to unite and pass PR. Then then Tories are dead forever.

Starmer will take short term power over long term security though. And will add himself to the list of Prime Ministers no one will remeber in a generation.
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Spot on, sadly
 
nickm said:
Not sure I get the longing for the Lib Dems, they were in coalition with the last tory govt - they would pull Labour further rightwards, no?
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At the minute, they'll probably be pulling Labour left. But that's not the point. Force PR by any means and remove the Tories from existenance.

I'd take a system where the Left to Centre have an absolute majority over the right/far right. Despite the rhetoric, this country isn't right-wing. The electoral system and it's support network is. Break it!
 
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Regarding the Lib Dems, I was deeply critical of the record of the coalition government from 2010-2015, notably the excessive austerity.

However it seems clear to me that there instead been a majority Tory government during that period things would have been worse as, 1) the austerity and cuts would have been even deeper (Cameron pretty much admitted that and that the Lib Dems were a roadblock in some areas), and 2) same sex marriage probably wouldn't have been legalised as there wouldn't have been a government backed Commons motion on the subject (the Lib Dems and Lynne Featherstone in-particular were the main driving force there).

Also I think that a Labour / Lib Dem coalition is the only realistic route to electoral reform and proportional representation, and that it simply wouldn't happen under a majority Labour government. And I doubt that the domestic policy agenda of a majority Labour government under Starmer would be significantly different to that of a Starmer led Labour / Lib Dem coalition either.

However, helped by the SNP also collapsing in addition to the Tories, it seems increasingly likely that Labour will win an outright majority and won't need the Lib Dems.
 
saivet said:
Voted Labour and really glad they won. Thought the Lib Dems campaign was full of shite and a big reason I didn't vote for them. Have to say the Lib Dems were relentless in my local area, posting leaflets near enough everyday.

Their whole campaign was based on don't waste a vote for Labour as they can't win here. Thought it was weird in all honesty.
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They do the same thing in every election here in Southport. They used to trade the seat with the Tories every generation or so, but in recent times they've been relegated to a distant third. I've seen stuff on twitter in the past few years that suggests that this is their strategy nationwide when there's a bit of a three horse race.
 
Badunk said:
They do the same thing in every election here in Southport. They used to trade the seat with the Tories every generation or so, but in recent times they've been relegated to a distant third. I've seen stuff on twitter in the past few years that suggests that this is their strategy nationwide when there's a bit of a three horse race.
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Damien Moore used to be my manager when I worked at Asda. He was a cnut then and completely useless. I’m amazed he made it to an MP.
 
esmufc07 said:
Damien Moore used to be my manager when I worked at Asda. He was a cnut then and completely useless. I’m amazed he made it to an MP.
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I walked past him near my house about 6 months ago. He looked like he was wary of being stopped and questioned by members of the public. A sort of rabbit in the headlights glazed expression. He was also much smaller than he looks in the local media photos.

But he's totally useless. I was staggered when, in the parliamentary voting on the different brexit options (there were 7 in total, from memory), he voted against every single one. I remember thinking: "What does he actually want?"
 
Jeremy Hunt is expected to stand down as an MP before the next election, according to senior Conservatives, who say the chancellor is aware he could suffer a “Michael Portillo” moment on polling day.

Hunt has already put himself forward and been selected for the new Surrey constituency of Godalming and Ash, after his South West Surrey seat was dissolved and split into two under boundary changes.


His spokesman said on Friday that his position remained that he would stand. But with his party in increasingly dire straits as byelection defeats mount up, and Labour’s poll lead solidifying, several senior sources nationally and locally have told the Observer that they expect him to announce he is stepping down much nearer to the election.
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I hope one or both of Cruella or Patel have their Portillo moment. Horrible excuses for humans who deserve a humiliating end. Though I suspect they reside in seats which are considered safe even for todays climate.
 
Bert_ said:
They literally have nothing left to offer. Wish we had PR voting to relegate these bunch of cnuts to a fringe party and force them to disband.
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Their story of power is quite impressive when you look at the different stages;

1) Gordon sold the gold and Labour caused the worldwide banking/mortgage crash.
2) Only Gideon can put money back in your pockets.
3) Immigrants and poor people are to blame because they have wide-screen TVs.
4) Dave fecked a pig.
5) We shouldn't leave Europe.
6) Feck, we've left Europe.
7) May wins by default due to literally every other nominee shitting the bed.
8) Fields of wheat.
9) Bye Teresa. You thought Cameron and Osborne were not ministerial? Just you wait...
10) Boris.
11) Boris doing Boris things.
12) Can't even remember her name but she totally fecked it within five minutes.
13) Rishi climbs up to the podium, with a head as thick as the soles on his shoes.
14) Immigrants and poor people are to blame. Shit, all the immigrants are gone and everyone is poor.
15) Trans people are to blame?
16) The elite? Except us?
17) ah, shite.

Their party is on life support, in a hospital corridor surrounded by overworked nurses.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Their story of power is quite impressive when you look at the different stages;

1) Gordon sold the gold and Labour caused the worldwide banking/mortgage crash.
2) Only Gideon can put money back in your pockets.
3) Immigrants and poor people are to blame because they have wide-screen TVs.
4) Dave fecked a pig.
5) We shouldn't leave Europe.
6) Feck, we've left Europe.
7) May wins by default due to literally every other nominee shitting the bed.
8) Fields of wheat.
9) Bye Teresa. You thought Cameron and Osborne were not ministerial? Just you wait...
10) Boris.
11) Boris doing Boris things.
12) Can't even remember her name but she totally fecked it within five minutes.
13) Rishi climbs up to the podium, with a head as thick as the soles on his shoes.
14) Immigrants and poor people are to blame. Shit, all the immigrants are gone and everyone is poor.
15) Trans people are to blame?
16) The elite? Except us?
17) ah, shite.

Their party is on life support, in a hospital corridor surrounded by overworked nurses.
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The worst part of that is how many people genuinely believe #1.
 
Berbasbullet said:
It has proper taken control that rubbish. All my mates use this to justify their tory vote and then don't care that debt has since more than doubled.
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And some folk are now using ULEZ as their excuse for voting Tory. These type of people are always going to vote for those twats no matter what.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
And some folk are now using ULEZ as their excuse for voting Tory. These type of people are always going to vote for those twats no matter what.
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I know people that live in the arse end of nowhere around the Lancs/Yorkshire border that keep going on about ULEZ and how it's putting them off Labour. Probably been to London a handful of times in their life and never once driven there.
 
Bert_ said:
I know people that live in the arse end of nowhere around the Lancs/Yorkshire border that keep going on about ULEZ and how it's putting them off Labour. Probably been to London a handful of times in their life and never once driven there.
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They also almost certainly have no idea what cars are actually caught by it. I had to drive to Heathrow recently and was surprised to learn our car is not impacted.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Tories saying that they might consider tax cuts in a bid to promise "jam tomorrow" to an electorate that hate them. The big problem is that a couple of of days ago it was revealed that it's to be a tax cut for the highest earners.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-cut-for-top-earners-after-byelection-defeats
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People who would benefit from that are not the highest earners at all. Plus, that isn’t really a tax cut - rate thresholds have always been increased in line with inflation and it’s only the Tories that have stopped this in recent years.
 
The strain on the Tory Government (and Party) at Westminster is now tangible. The two recent bye-election defeats put the tin-lid on it.
Sunak became PM by default, he's tried to make a fist of it but almost everything he touches or mentions melts away or explodes in his face, I actually feel sorry for him, as the roof caves in and his enemies within the Tory party stand by and watch and trying not to smirk...at least not too much, and his friends have all but disappeared over the horizon; he will look even more lonely and bereft as the GE date approaches.

The Labour Party, Starmer in particular, doesn't need to do anything until the election date is known, just keep their powder dry make sure everything they are going to promise nearer the election, is 'bullet and bomb proof' and is not holed below the water line by some disgruntled labour hack.

Just keep 'dodging and weaving' Sir Keir, let's all appreciate that 'double-shuffle' foot work.
 
Maticmaker said:
The strain on the Tory Government (and Party) at Westminster is now tangible. The two recent bye-election defeats put the tin-lid on it.
Sunak became PM by default, he's tried to make a fist of it but almost everything he touches or mentions melts away or explodes in his face, I actually feel sorry for him, as the roof caves in and his enemies within the Tory party stand by and watch and trying not to smirk...at least not too much, and his friends have all but disappeared over the horizon; he will look even more lonely and bereft as the GE date approaches.

The Labour Party, Starmer in particular, doesn't need to do anything until the election date is known, just keep their powder dry make sure everything they are going to promise nearer the election, is 'bullet and bomb proof' and is not holed below the water line by some disgruntled labour hack.

Just keep 'dodging and weaving' Sir Keir, let's all appreciate that 'double-shuffle' foot work.
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Exactly that.
They all know that it is now extremely improbable that they can win the next election. As you say, any hope was blown away by the last 2 By Election results.

And fair play to Sir Kier Starmer who has turned the Labour Party around by moving it to the centre ground from the catastrophic shambles of the last election.

But I don't under estimate the Tories. I am sure that they have a few tricks up their collective sleeves and some dirt on Starmer.
But in reality they know it is lost. And they have been a total disaster for the country. And good luck to Labour because they are going to need it.
The country is in a complete mess and nothing is working.
 
Andy_Cole said:
£17k for 7 weeks is hardly news worthy.
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That wasn't his wage, it was his severance pay. After 7 weeks. From a guy who has regularly criticised the severance pay of civil servants and sought to have it reduced when he was Minister of Government Efficiency.
 
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