Westminster Politics

Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Talking about the comparisons between Enoch Powell and Bravermans speeches. I recall this clip of someone cutting Powell down to size.

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First time that I see anything about Jonathan Miller as is a Brittish personality, but I think it resembles to few other people in my country. I dont know why I have the feeling that society can't produce this sensitive and intelligent people...nor the current social debate allows it. When a political in confronted with questions or debate, he answers something else, or they rudely attack and they don't allow to debate. The person behind him, could be wrong, or even maliciously wrong but he waited his turn, also he was trying to argument even sneakily. I think nowadays there is no pause, poise and is who speak louder and more ambiguous. It seems that is not even their thoughts but they are trained like dogs to lie and to deflect

I miss less hysterical times with more honest (even wrong) people
 
Tyrion said:
That's why I think they're failing so badly. It's obvious they can't "stop the boats" and can't do anything about immigration. Even if you were far right, why bother voting for them?
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This is the likely 'telling factor' and what makes me think that Labour could get their highest majority ever in the next GE. Precisely because those who think the Tories should do something about 'stopping the boats' and immigration, now realise that they can't.

Hence, just as we saw at the last GE the 'red wall' Labour vote collapse over Brexit, because they could/would not do something, we may now see the 'blue wall' collapse over these issues, the Tories losing votes all over the place, with mainstream voters turning to the Lib dems, and left of centre Tories holding their noses and voting Labour and including possibly mass Tory abstentions, in places where they have no chance anyway.
Whatever, the outlook looks great for Sir Keir
 
Mart1974 said:
When you look at the numbers, Labour did worse than 2019. The SNP vote never showed up.
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You can't hold that against them. 2019 was a general election, of course turnout was way higher. Labour vote dropped just 4% when 44% fewer people voted overall. It's a damn fine result for Labour.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
You can't hold that against them. 2019 was a general election, of course turnout was way higher. Labour vote dropped just 4% when 44% fewer people voted overall. It's a damn fine result for Labour.
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It is a traditional Labour stronghold. Lost it to the SNP post independence referendum in the 2015 GE along with all but one of Labours Scottish seats. Labour won it back in 2017. Lost it again in 2019 along with all the other Scottish seats they gained back in the previous election.

Considering the SNPs collapse over the past year, it would have been a disaster if Labour didn't win it by a decent margin.
 
africanspur said:
Because a trans/ boat person is coming for you.

The change angle is an interesting angle from someone who's been in the highest offices of the land himself for the past 5 years.
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He looks like one of the bad guys from Innerspace who get shrunken down to child size at the end of the film.

Sneaky fecking spiteful cnut. I bet he treated himself to a decontamination shower after being that close to normal people.
 
Pexbo said:
How has a politician that bad become Prime Minister? I mean, “Privilege” is clearly the answer but feck me he is just awful on every level.
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Undemocratically is the answer.
He wanted to be PM but Liz Truss beat him comfortably. Liz fxxking Truss.
The only people who voted for him were his mates in the Nasty Party.
If he had any decency, which he clearly doesn't, he would have called for a GE. But he knew that his only chance of being PM was by clinging to power while the country goes down the tubes.
And he will cling onto power for as long as he possibly can.
 
He has more power than most politicians via his wife to be fair. I suspect for Rishi he actually does want to be a politician, and in his own weird way thinks he is making a difference.
 
Pexbo said:
How has a politician that bad become Prime Minister? I mean, “Privilege” is clearly the answer but feck me he is just awful on every level.
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I dunno. Blair's privilege was not completely dissimilar, but he was superb at this stuff - partly because he'd thought this stuff through himself, partly because he was just really good at the performance bit, and partly because he had a barrister's quick thinking. Sunak is just remarkably bad at this in every way.
 
nickm said:
I dunno. Blair's privilege was not completely dissimilar, but he was superb at this stuff - partly because he'd thought this stuff through himself, partly because he was just really good at the performance bit, and partly because he had a barrister's quick thinking. Sunak is just remarkably bad at this in every way.
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It helped Blair having someone like Alastair Campbell keeping him up to speed as well. I'm not sure who Sunak and his cabinet have but I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of Boris' kids.
 
Frosty said:
Suella Braverman tells UK police that waving the Palestinian flag can amount to a criminal offence:

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I think she is factually correct on this occasion. The difference being it can be a crime if intended to harass or alarm by being directed at Jewish people by turning up uninvited at locations that you would associate with Jews etc.

Showing general support or solidarity with Palestinians is quite rightly not a crime.

I'd expect the same rules to be enforced turning up at mosques with Israeli or St George's flags etc.

I'd also expect context of whether the flag is countering public pro-israeli speech and other reasonableness factors to be considered before an arrest.
 
Drainy said:
I think she is factually correct on this occasion. The difference being it can be a crime if intended to harass or alarm by being directed at Jewish people by turning up uninvited at locations that you would associate with Jews etc.

Showing general support or solidarity with Palestinians is quite rightly not a crime.

I'd expect the same rules to be enforced turning up at mosques with Israeli or St George's flags etc.

I'd also expect context of whether the flag is countering public pro-israeli speech and other reasonableness factors to be considered before an arrest.
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Hamas is indeed an illegal terrorist organisation in the UK and expressing support for it is a criminal offence, with a penalty of up to 14 years in prison.
 
The bloke is like a fish out of water. This politics lark is not for him.
 
Adisa said:
The bloke is like a fish out of water. This politics lark is not for him.
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Didn't he get in to Goldman Sachs which everyone says hires only the best and is very hard to get into?

I am just surprised someone like that can be so bad at this job.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
Didn't he get in to Goldman Sachs which everyone says hires only the best and is very hard to get into?

I am just surprised someone like that can be so bad at this job.
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He probably didn’t have to pretend that he cares about anybody other than himself during that interview. That’s the thing he struggles with and therefore anything he says in that vein looks every bit as fake as it is.
 
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