Westminster Politics

[neverdie]

Surely this gives Labour room to be bolder.

29 Sep – 2 Oct

Deltapoll

N/A

GB

1,516

26%

44%

12%

3%

6%

5%

4%	18
1 Oct	Redfield & Wilton	N/A	GB	2,000	29%	43%	12%	3%	4%	7%	1%	14
29 Sep – 1 Oct	Savanta		GB	2,129	27%	46%	11%	3%	4%	5%	4%	19
28–29 Sep	We Think	N/A	GB	1,285	27%	47%	10%	3%	5%	7%	TBC	20

It gives them the chance of a generation to push progressive legislation forward. 18% ~ since Thursday and 20-30% avg for a year straight. That 18% will definitely jump to at least >25% after a Tory conference apparently designed to see how many points the Tories can lose.

The Tories have played the far-right card, lost points doing it, and now Labour have a decent progressive centrist, left of centre, opening to navigate. Remains to be seen.

 

[FireballXL5]

This is the the DM's take on hate speech...

 

[owlo]

Did anyone have to give up their house for the route?

My dogs country club got eaten up by it and permanently closed. Owners were heartbroken.

 

[owlo]

Can these scum make it any less obvious of their contempt for the north.

It's ok, he's going to force the disabled to work to make the numbers work. They can take HS2 all the way to Euston for their minimum wage jobs, knowing how the tories value accessibility. And even if they can't, they can drive in. Thanks for fixing the potholes Rishi.

 

[golden_blunder]

My dogs country club got eaten up by it and permanently closed. Owners were heartbroken.

All for nothing. They will probably sell all the land off to developers to build apartments so they can move all the undesirables out of London

 

[golden_blunder]

Surprised they don’t just build a wall around london and to hell with everything else

 

[golden_blunder]

Can these scum make it any less obvious of their contempt for the north.

It’s full of wildlings to be fair.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

I was today years old when I realised there were country clubs for dogs.

 

[Buster15]

The Hitler particles will be off the charts

Yvette Cooper is heas and shoulders better than Braverman who is fixated on just one issue instead of doing her job as Home Secretary.

 

[LARulz]

Rishi's wife sounds massively patronising

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Rishi's wife sounds massively patronising

Nepo billionaires usually do.

 

[africanspur]

DADA, what a prick

 

[11101]

Regarding the scrapping of HS2, I was listening to a programme manager who said that the route from Birmingham to Manchester was going to be funded with government borrowing.
And so there is no actual money to be saved.
And if Sunak announces that he is going to use the money saved by scrapping HS2 to be used for an east west rail link, that is also going to have to be funded by borrowing.

How do you think everything else is funded? The government currently owes £2.6 trillion and borrows about £130b a year. Governments function on debt. The money is saved because its a few billion we don't need to borrow for that purpose.

Still, cancelling it is an incredibly short sighted decision and will cost him more votes than he realises, mine included.

 

[V.O.]

The Hitler particles will be off the charts

Thank god the Labour party are here to focus on the real problems, like poor people and small boats.

 

[SilentWitness]

He's such a crap speaker.

 

[11101]

So London gets another commuter route and the rest of the country gets a new high speed hub station with no high speed railway going to it, and Leeds is getting a tram!

 

[Buster15]

How do you think everything else is funded? The government currently owes £2.6 trillion and borrows about £130b a year. Governments function on debt. The money is saved because its a few billion we don't need to borrow for that purpose.

Still, cancelling it is an incredibly short sighted decision and will cost him more votes than he realises, mine included.

Ok.
One small point.
The long term borrowing the government is borrowing in order to fund HS2 was primarily when interest rates were significantly lower.

It is still going to have to access long term borrowing in order to fund the whole raft of new projects. But much of that borrowing will now be at a higher rate and most likely for a longer term.

Sunak just said that every penny of the money (borrowing) saved by scrapping HS2 will be spent on these new projects.

So. Where is the saving coming from?
Because you don't just stop HS2 work in an instant. That will carry on for years.
It is all smoke and mirrors.

 

[LARulz]

I like how he says him being the first non white PM isn't a big deal (I mean it is, and great) but then why did he spend the previous 10 minutes talking about it?

 

[TheGame]

 

[Vernon Philander]

So if the money is being redeployed elsewhere I.e. zero savings, then why not just complete the project…? Am I missing something

 

[Buster15]

So if the money is being redeployed elsewhere I.e. zero savings, then why not just complete the project…? Am I missing something

Pure politics. Just Sunak pretending that he knows what he is doing. Nothing to do with reality.

 

[DavelinaJolie]

So London gets another commuter route and the rest of the country gets a new high speed hub station with no high speed railway going to it, and Leeds is getting a tram!

I thought they were on the side of motorists?

 

[Flying high]

So if the money is being redeployed elsewhere I.e. zero savings, then why not just complete the project…? Am I missing something

Too many eyes on HS2, with an obvious end goal. It's easier to lose a few billion if you split it into multiple pots.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

 

[11101]

Ok.
One small point.
The long term borrowing the government is borrowing in order to fund HS2 was primarily when interest rates were significantly lower.

It is still going to have to access long term borrowing in order to fund the whole raft of new projects. But much of that borrowing will now be at a higher rate and most likely for a longer term.

Sunak just said that every penny of the money (borrowing) saved by scrapping HS2 will be spent on these new projects.

So. Where is the saving coming from?
Because you don't just stop HS2 work in an instant. That will carry on for years.
It is all smoke and mirrors.

Maybe I misheard it but I thought he said he was giving 36b to transport projects, whereas cancelling HS2 would save something like twice that?

Either way they didn't borrow the full 100b HS2 money at the start, they get it as its needed. These new projects will be the same so it doesn’t really make any difference to the cost. He just didn't want to lose votes by bulldozing through Tory constituencies.

 

[Buster15]

Maybe I misheard it but I thought he said he was giving 36b to transport projects, whereas cancelling HS2 would save something like twice that?

Either way they didn't borrow the full 100b HS2 money at the start, they get it as its needed. These new projects will be the same so it doesn’t really make any difference to the cost. He just didn't want to lose votes by bulldozing through Tory constituencies.

I have just checked because I was of the same thought.
The Sky News website says that he said he was....going to use the £36bn of savings....
But I do wonder whether this level of so called savings was actually verified by audit.

As I have said, all smoke and mirrors.

 

[Drainy]

Did he say the word 'priorities' over and over?

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

 

[11101]

I have just checked because I was of the same thought.
The Sky News website says that he said he was....going to use the £36bn of savings....
But I do wonder whether this level of so called savings was actually verified by audit.

As I have said, all smoke and mirrors.

If it was going to cost 100b, and what's left has cost 20 something, it doesn't take a genius to figure out he's using the rest to meet his borrowing targets and maybe cut some taxes for election time.

 

[LARulz]

That was.... special

 

[Eplel]

It must require insane amounts of mental rigor to not punch politicians in the face when they say crap like that.

 

[Abizzz]

She has a future as televangelist.

 

[Baxter]

The focus on transgender is mind boggling. Such a small portion of society and the rhetoric is awful.

 

[Herman Toothrot]

Who is she fighting?

 

[nimic]

The focus on transgender is mind boggling. Such a small portion of society and the rhetoric is awful.

Culture war bullshit, and this time it's the trans community that will suffer for it. Polling has shown a pretty massive shift in opinion on the trans community, negatively. The right (originally the American one) has managed to turn a large portion of society viciously against an already extremely vulnerable group of people. It's despicable, and the consequences will be very bad indeed.

 

[Buster15]

If it was going to cost 100b, and what's left has cost 20 something, it doesn't take a genius to figure out he's using the rest to meet his borrowing targets and maybe cut some taxes for election time.

Maybe. Who knows. It is just politics pure and simple.

 

[Adisa]

In 2010, when I came to this country, if you told me that in just over a decade this country would have a far right government, I would have told you where to go.

 

[Buster15]

Sunak today...Be in no doubt. It is time for a change. And (after 13 years in power) we are that change.

 

[clarkydaz]

Those silent pauses were killing me, tension unbearable. Can't handle it

 

[Dan_F]

Surely this gives Labour room to be bolder. The centre ground is now all but abandoned by The Tories, they can occupy it, and not just that bit right of David Cameron, but that bit to the left of Tony Blair. They cannot drag the centre any closer to these Tory psychopaths, we cannot pretend this is normal.

Be bold and go for it, Keir. You're clean through and only Onana is in between you and the goal.

The problem with that is anything considered to be bold, will also be considered left. The centre is exactly as it sounds, keeping the right happy and rich, while throwing a few bones to the left.

Radical (bold if you like) changes are needed to pull this country back, no one is offering anything close to this.