Indeed in some cases it was more insidious, some of the unions, if I recall correctly, got funding from the Soviets
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Any evidence for that claim?
Not off the top of my head, there were stories about it at the time but I've no idea how much, if any, were true, it was certainly true in the 1920's though
That doesn't qualify as a serious source, especially when the press is on the side of the government, and not on the side of the people.
Not specifically funding.
But I certainly know that when I attended a number of District Committee meetings, the objective of destabilising the government was actively discussed. As were communications from the UK Communist Party.
In fact we were being encouraged to visit our French counterparts where the Communist Party were much more active.
Sigh ... not surprising really.
There will be no consequences for all those involved except for maybe a scapegoat or two.
Absolutely agree, I was a young (21 years old) AEU shop steward in the mid to late 1960s and early 1970's and went on marches in Manchester, remember in particular all the way down Oxford road on the 'kill the bill' demonstration. 'The marchers were all AEU members initially, carrying AEU flags and banners, but as the march progressed others joined us with different banners, mainly communist party, and other socialist groups. At such a young and tender age I had no idea what was happening as over a mile or so half my AEU mates dropped out... it was my first introduction to the sell out to 'international socialism' in the Unions and eventually the Labour Party itself. Cannot say if it was funded by the USSR, but it certainly was a take over of the British Working classes main weapon.
TAX THE RICH AND THE RECORD PROFIT CORPORATIONS.
fecking unions, making our workplaces safer and bringing in the minimum wage. Maternity leave, too. All of those things. But don't forget that a mate of mine fifty years ago heard someone say they were definitely communists, the Russian bastards should all be shot for treason. Anyway, back to surviving in Tory Britain.
Motherfecker of all democracies...
Partygate: Rees-Mogg and Dorries likely to be named in ‘contempts of parliament’ report
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ies-contempts-parliament-report-boris-johnson
Partygate: Rees-Mogg and Dorries likely to be named in ‘contempts of parliament’ report
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ies-contempts-parliament-report-boris-johnson
All a bit of a spurious link to make the claim that unions had soviet funding, to be honest.
As for Maticmaker, I take your posts with a pinch of salt. You've been shown to have some wildly illogical and unfounded views on here, even in the face of clear evidence against.
Sounds like you are buying into the trotted out right wing media narrative attempting to discredit unions, without which, we would be working 7 days a week with no weekends, no holidays and little job security.
The Russians love us having maternity leave, trying to stifle British productivity so they can sneak into our house of Lords when we are too busy raising children. The unions were caught napping, again.
Putin probably privatised our water companies too back in 1989, I heard he sent a little communist birdie to speak to Thatcher about it.
the wankers. Privatising the water companies was clearly a union/Labour effort as well. I just wish they would give the Tories a break if I'm honest, because unions have ruined everything. I'm positive that if the Tories had a solid 10-15 years in power, and were able to remove certain worker's rights and cut spending in the public sector, we'd be in a better position than the one we're in because of meddling unions/Labour/communistsThat is what pisses me off a lot. Here in canada there are union and non union jobs. In my little understanding as immigrant, unions works different than in spain
Long story short, the non union criticize the union jobs because they are abusing their workers rights like they have too much brakes, they are too protected to getting kicked out so they are lazy, they dont go beyond their scope of responsability.
So basically they are criticizing union jobs to have more workers rights and use them rightly
Same with demonizing the unions in amazon plants
Propaganda had win making look bad the unions when they are the only ones that are supposed to unite us as wrking class against the patrons. Sure there had been ocasions that they fecked up, but is thanks to them that we had so much of the rights ee enjoy today and we would have even more if everybody would be unionized
But yeah, the employer will protect us best. We are hopeless
Sack Braverman.
Plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda is unlawful, UK appeal court rules
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...s-to-rwanda-is-unlawful-uk-appeal-court-rules
Plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda is unlawful, UK appeal court rules
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...s-to-rwanda-is-unlawful-uk-appeal-court-rules
All of those apart from Jenkinson (I think) were on Boris’ honours list.
Sums it up nicely
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I know this isn’t a serious post but it really isn’t that far from the truth (and it’s similar in the US too), which shows how far from real ‘democracy’ we actually are.Sums it up nicely
Another good day for the tories 
More pressure needs to be put on them to call a GE.
More pressure needs to be put on them to call a GE.
They've already paid Rwanda about £150m for this
Correction - we've paid £150m for this. These fecking thieves.
Well yeah, but at least the NHS is flourishing now that it's getting the couple of hundred million a week that was going to the EU before Brexit.
Honestly, as an outsider looking in I'm astonished how the UK public have allowed the current version of the tories to stay in power, they're rotten to their absolute core.
Because they've subverted almost the entire press. The "independent" / "leftie" BBC is run largely by people heavily linked to the Tories. We have a very poor system of checks and balances in our democracy and press that always relied on our politicians and business people having some level of shame - see the ministerial code that can be ignored with impunity by the likes of Boris Johnson. These feckers have absolutely no shame, starting with Osborne, Clegg and Cameron, who frankly look like saints compared to the people who have succeeded them.
You mean I don't agree with you!
That's fine, for the record I think some of your views are a bit outlandish in many aspects, but we are all entitled to our opinions.
(PS I am not out to covert anybody...I realised the futility of that many years ago, although I did (for a long time) believe everybody should serve at least one year in the role of shop steward.... if only to find out which way is up)
Regarding your point about people serving one year as a shop steward in order to find out...
That was precisely the reason I became a shop steward. And like you it was a real eye opener into what was going on below the surface.
There was a range of political views at the working level. Particularly after the Labour government cancelled the TSR2 jet
But what was very clear was that the local shop stewards were being actively manipulated by the AUEW District Committee members into calling for industrial action for even the most mundane issues.
They were well aware that we were working on a particular NATO military jet programme, MRCA Tornado. And it was evident that they were looking for opportunities to delay it if at all possible.
But all of that we some 50 years ago and things have changed.
For what it’s worth I don’t think they expected or wanted to win this. It’s a shit policy that costs an absolute fortune per immigrant sent to Rwanda. Like millions each.
What they want is to have a public war over this so they can point at our legal system and say it’s WOKE and needs reforming so they can introduce new laws which gives them new authoritarian powers. They will also use it as an excuse as to why their immigration stats are so high - because lefty judges and activist lawyers are sabotaging it.
Isn't it time to call a general election when the government cannot pass a law?
Your mention of the TSR2 and Tornado projects brought back memories and reminded me of the 'Blue Streak' missile affair, I had a slight involvement as I was covering the Oldham area at the time as an AUEW (formerly AEU) observer.) That definitely had 'reds under the bed' overtones, although strangely it finished up with the main contractor, think it was Ferranti, having to pay back to the government around £5m ('chump change' nowadays) because of overpricing... last time UK armaments procurement office got something right
50 years but... as they say, 'the more things change the more they stay the same' (or something like that!!)
Eh, I'd say this is quite far from the truth, considering that the tories are too far gone. They've taken their shit to another level, and it won't be reached again for many years.
These pair of cnuts should be given a one way ticket to Rwanda. Although that would be extremely harsh on Rwanda.
The US is miles from this and you would be surprised at the level of real democracy as well, the people have a lot more say than anyone in the UK does
Braverman: "The British people want to stop the boats, and so does this government."
Tories continuing to Tory. They have one tactic and that's to repeat the same phrases over, and over, and over, till they are meaningless. Stop the boats. Brexit means Brexit. It's hard to imagine I'd hate a Home Secretary as much as Patel but Braverman is trying her best.
Tories continuing to Tory. They have one tactic and that's to repeat the same phrases over, and over, and over, till they are meaningless. Stop the boats. Brexit means Brexit. It's hard to imagine I'd hate a Home Secretary as much as Patel but Braverman is trying her best.
Bloody Commies.
Yet we have repeatedly invaded other countries to spread our version of "democracy".
It's funny that Braverman knows what the British people want, because I'm a British person and the thing I want more than anything in the world is for Braverman to shut the feck up.
Speak for yourself, I want a lot more than her shutting the feck up!